Homage to Cindy...

[TML16]

that's the trouble alex, its balancing what you give them whith what they already have in their soil and the variations in what they want depending on what stage they are at. Back when I was still using food, I found bio bizz soil bloom to be fairly friendly to them, but then I found just a bit extra leg room and they'll find their own food works for me too. Of course my yields are down a bit, but I can manage with that.

^ That's not lazy growing there. That's called informed growing

People are saying too much N causes the leaf curl I'm thinking it's a trait to some plants I consider myself a lenient feeder and only get curl on my Blueberry.
Like MGJ sez, some plants are more sensitive too.

You and your huge pics

That is an interesting def though Although I can't help you indentify it

minor asthetics :smile: Everything still looks great I wanna see how long the Mango Haze takes and love to hear how Holy Grail smokes

 

[Core]

no ph or ec meter......never seen that kind of damage ether .....i hope not the intire plant is affected?

dude go buy a ph meter

 

[Alex-F]

TML, yea it's an asthetic problem for sure. I mean the ECSDs last run looked like shit, but it was the largest yielding grow I've had so far, so it's not all bad.

dude go buy a ph meter

Tell me something I don't know
I'm certainly planning on getting one, once I find the money, and don'T spend it on seeds like I normally do.

 

[GMT]

Hi Alex, Does that leaf feel crispy to the touch? I put that down to a combo of light burn and wind burn when I see something similar on mine. Is that plant particularly near the bulb or fan? Just thoughts, maybe well off track.

 

[Alex-F]

Yep they're crispy. It generally starts like what you see in the pic and gets worse to the point of leaves being brittle and crumbling.

No wind or light burn. This girl is stood to the left of the lamp so not under direct light, and no fan blowing.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hiya Alex

Oh no - your plant caught the Greenjeans Disease Are you giving her any CalMag? Mine have looked like that many times - the reason I flush flush flush so much - but this grow I'm convinced it is Ca deficiency - certain plants are hogs. So far the theory is holding up - the AG13 is a real Mg / Ca pig, she started with the changes at the leaf edges - I ended up giving her 1000 ppm CalMag+ before she started getting happy did that for 2 consecutive feedings, the third I backed it down to 1/2 that and she started doing it again! Just a thought. Dolomite might take too long to break down enough to help, but maybe a bit of gypsum in your water if you don't have CalMag+ would do the trick...

But then again, I could be full of BAT GUANO!

 

[GMT]

calmag, hmm, wonder what that is, sounds exotic lol. Reckon a drop of milk could give em the cal they need? Thinking of my own now.

 

[A.N.Other]

Ola Alex

A PH test kit is about 3 or 4 GBP at any pet store that sells fish/aquariums. The whole kit is simply a colour chart a test tube and lid and the ph test liquid.



It's pretty useful even in dirt as tapwater ph is all over the place. I just test water after it's spent a few days sitting, then after any nute amendments and then every now and then I'll water enough to allow a little run off and test this run off.

Unadjusted tap:


I tend to find that leaf curling is often a sign of over fert, edit - and i agree with tml this is more pronounced on some strains/types, I reckon common in some heavily Sativa leaning plants, but I seem to get it more when RH is lower than is healthy on top of this over fert issue and I often wonder if it the ram horning is more pronounced because of the two together?

As a rule of thumb though when I see the curl I tend to back right off, and if you suspect a cal def, drop right off everything else and hit them mildly something specific.

Hi GMT

do you use milk for cal defs? at what ratio? do you find any adverse effects?

the only thing that worries me is how cloudy the tiniest quantity of milk makes a large load of water, put a tiny bit in a bath tub for example. Why does that happen? weird?

sorry alex for going off topic!

grow strong and safe.

 

[GMT]

no I don't A.N. , but was wondering if it there would be any negative effects myself. I think I'll try a drop on something just starting to flower and see if I notice any difference.

 

[A.N.Other]

Totally don't want to take your thread off topic so let me know if you want this removed.

I searched the web briefly using google and found very little with "milk fertilizer plant" or "milk fertilizer plant calcium" or derivations of these. Most of it was referencing grade 5 science projects!! But what there was pretty much says at a dilute rate there shold be no problems (couldn't find any proven nenefits though). There is a readable thread at a pumkin growing forum (here) and a slightly more considered answer to a school project type question (here.

I did find a few references to Panchagavya as a fertiliser and a remedy for a variety of people maladies!

Panchagavya (‘five elements of the cow’) is a variation on a traditional ‘natural’ fertiliser mix, based on slurry mixed with cow’s urine, milk, curd, ghee and other additions such as sugar cane juice, banana juice and coconut water. Again, this is a powerful fertiliser.

Might give it a go at .5ml per litre, i have a mild cal def on a vegging A11.

 

[Alex-F]

Wow thanks everyone for your input!

Hmm maybe it's not that bad after all to show what's going wrong....:wink:

MGJ, ok if it's a micro nute def then some Phytamin might help. I don't think you should foliar feed in week 7 right? Maybee if I just go for the leaves straight and try not to mist the buds it should be allright.

GMT, I'm with ya on the milk, might give that a shot.

A.N.Other, hey good to have you here. Thanks for your efforts. No worries about the off topic, this is not my thread, it's everyone's, and this is a cannabis forum, so none of your input was off topic.
Not got any cows so Panchagavya might be difficult, I've been thinking about using some Guineabig poo for ferts for some time now though.

 

[Alex-F]

Oh yea, I have a little entertainment for ya

One of the lads from work told me the other day that he can get top quality weed. And since I'm always up for something new, I said that we could trade a couple of gs for testing. So I gave him some of my ECSD, and got this in return...

The first thing that came to mind is how it reminded me of tissue paper that had been in a trouser pocket and gone through the wash! There's no smell (my work bag on the other hand stank by the time I got to work, all from 3gs of ECSD), no visible trichs, and well no taste really either.

Needless to say, I won't be trading with him anymore. ROFLMAO

If only we lived in a better world. I could just show him how to grow his own and be done with it.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hiya Alex, GMT
I use Botanicare CalMag+ it is a N, Ca, Mg suplement. No Ca in the Phytamin Alex, but they do sell a Ca additive under the > Products > liquid fertilizer section of their website.

I don't think you can get enough Ca out of diluted milk - it doesn't have that much anyway - just a smidgen. I've been told gypsum is the way to go for simplicity, as it is instant acting as opposed to the slower release of dolomite lime, and available everywhere as a material of the building trades.

You don't need to foliar feed her. Just give her a shot - you will see the results immediately with gypsum or a liquid additive. If it's not enough the improvement will only last a few days.

My mother used to rinse out empty milk bottles and pour it over the indoor plants. I didn't see any difference in the summer between the outdoor and indoor plants, so don't really believe it's a panacea for anything. The plants tolerated it well though.

On the trade - That poor sap will be sorry once he's sampled your goods Alex. No more goodies for him...

 

[Alex-F]

Ola

I'm sure there was some C in Phytamin. Otherwise it should be in the Plagron Bloom anyway, just need to find the right dosage there.

On the trade, I've allready got a very possitive feedback. Maybee I'll gift him some seeds after the 420. At least than I can say that I got them there in a coffeeshop or something without having to give up my secret....

I hate secrets!

 

[GMT]

hey Alex, just read up on core's thread that you are on the look out for a cheap scope type thing. If you sort it out at the 420 great, other than that, next trip to london, pop into an Argos and checkout the kids section. Kiddy microscopes are cheap and usefull.

 

[TML16]

Great discussion and great information!

Bad trade on the goods Alex

Damn...I was just about to pour my ladies a tall glass of milk with some cookies

 

[Alex-F]

GMT, I was back home last month. Spent a whole bloody day shopping in Bath aswell, but I never thought of that!
Good idea though, I'll keep it in mind if I don't find another solution.

TML, I'll have the cookies!!!

 

[T.doT.Toker]

Nice plants alex. Id like to see how the mango haze turns out i remember seeing a tester grow of it and the buds looked amazing. Take it easy.

 

[A.N.Other]

Hola Alex Thanks bros, you're a gent for sure.

hehe at cows. i have a cupboard full of nutes but i think my girl might have somethin to say if a cow or two suddenly appear on the lawn. "What's that love?...no no.... just fertilizer for the plants."

when it comes to milk I reckon MrGJ is right, you'd have to use too much for it to be effective and at the rate where the Cal/Pot/Mag may be useful the amount of sugar/fat/protein may have undesirable effects, not to mention a possibility of souring. hehe. insert sour diesel pun here.

below are ~contents of 100 ml/103 g of whole milk (sourced from the USDA, via Wiki).

Cow milk (whole)

Nutritional value per 100 g
Energy 60 kcal 250 kJ
Carbohydrates 5.2 g
- Sugars 5.2 g
- Lactose 5.2 g
Fat 3.25 g
- saturated 1.9 g
- monounsaturated 0.8 g
- polyunsaturated 0.2 g
Protein 3.2 g
Water 88 g
Vitamin A 28 μg 3%
Thiamin (Vit. B1) 0.04 mg 3%
Riboflavin (Vit. B2) 0.18 mg 12%
Vitamin B12 0.44 μg 18%
Vitamin D 40 IU 20%
Calcium 113 mg 11%
Magnesium 10 mg 3%
Potassium 143 mg 3%

This was on the old OG GrowFAQ:

HYDRATED LIME
This is what I use....has 52% total Ca...derived from Calcium Oxide and Calcium Hydroxide and no other elements. 1 gram/L

=520PPM/Liter=137PPM/gallon

so .5 of a gram per litre as a remedial dose. the maths speak for themselves... .5 a gram of hydrated lime per litre vs ~450 ml of milk per litre. whether a drop or two every water will have preventative effects is another matter.

thanks for letting me shoot the shit with such open minded and charming folk. take care.

 

[GMT]

LOL A.N.
Can I just check the maths though, if milk is 11% callcium, and Lime is 52%, then its only 5x the milk to lime rather than 9x assuming 450 ml = 4.5g. Not sure how much lime you're supposed to add though, it could still equal a pint of milk for all I know on this.
Edit: Just found where you said how much to use, so on a 20 litre soil grow it would require 40g of milk. So around 1g a day or 2g per 2 litre watering every otherday (as I tend to) over the first 40 days of flower. I reckon that is too much as that has to start to smell under lights + cant be good for the plant. Ok Milk was a SILLY idea.