Holy grail Mr Nice.

[flower~power]

I got metal & wood & musk and I swear there’s an undertone-of sweetness in there

 

[flower~power]

I found some more old pictures…had put up a bunch of them in the original Haze thread but then it got locked and closed therefore no one can see them..So here they are again

 

[CannaT]

I got metal & wood & musk and I swear there’s an undertone-of sweetness in there

Is maybe that pheno at chop if you remember have some kind of disgusting smell ?
Not plesent at all ?

I know that pheno from haze and haze dom plants.
At first it smell like tomato stalk and some kind of musty herb. Really disgusting.
After curing for 2 weeks some strange metallic aluminium powdery sweetness comes that borders on lemon. And all this is vrapped in slightly vitamin B smell.

And after it cures it have very addictive smell that have lemony/metallic switness with some herbs and just a touch of that disgusting vitamin B smell.

 

[flower~power]

The seeds that I got from Johnny Chicago produced three females and five males and then there was an open pollination of that crop everything got mixed together & that’s the ICMAG haze that got sent out …and those seeds produced very nice plants (that as far as I can tell were identical to the parents) Original Haze breed true

 

[CannaT]

The seeds that I got from Johnny Chicago produced three females and five males and then there was an open pollination of that crop everything got mixed together & that’s the ICMAG haze that got sent out …and those seeds produced very nice plants (that as far as I can tell were identical to the parents) Original Haze breed true

I remember your grow.
I followed it.

 

[Raho]

I got metal & wood & musk and I swear there’s an undertone-of sweetness in there

Imported 79 Colombian gold from Florida that I smoked had a lemon hashy woody taste.
You can definitely call out a bit of sweetness from anything citrus, right?
Actually a bit of buttery taste too but that is hard to describe.

There was zero sweetness or citrus in the fresh Colombian Red I smoked back then.

Influence of both can be found in the oHaze spectrum.
Selection can isolate some throwback type phenos but only a couple of people that I know of have done that kind of work. Johnny has an excellent (educated) palate for haze and recognizes a lot of things through the context of his experience that most people just don't see.

Often throwback phenos are described differently (pure oHaze relativism) because most people have no experience with the kind of flowers that the oHaze parents came from so they understand what they are experiencing only in that context, contrasted with other oHaze phenos.

 

[Nexus7]

can OHAZE Express any sweetness?

My madmac OHzs1 had a significant sweetness upfront giving way to a hazy back end in the aroma of dried flowers.

No sweetness in the taste however

 

[Nexus7]

Truely superior sweet taste

 

[flower~power]

some more phenotypes from the same lot … it was ridiculous

 

[F2F]

some more phenotypes from the same lot … it was ridiculous View attachment 18786206

Dang Flower, looks like u saw everything from afghani to burning bush in those haha.

Peace
F2F

 

[flower~power]

Yes ..

 

[flower~power]

Shanti took a picture and misrepresented it ..that’s when I lost faith

 

[flower~power]

That’s all way way way in the past…They had fire

 

[flower~power]

Case in point… this was the “king of kings” phenotype

 

[Yo Sammy]

Case in point… this was the “king of kings” phenotype View attachment 18786380 View attachment 18786381

Legend!

 

[ojd]

some more phenotypes from the same lot … it was ridiculous View attachment 18786206

Some of the best Haze phenos ive ever seen have not been the biggest yielders at all, not tiny. Most Haze is great yielding but best Haze is defo not the most commercial ( quicker flowering/High yield)
The old SSH was some of the best ever , phenos from 8 week ( A dominant in taste High ) through to 16 weeks plus with A and C dominant phenos) and everything in between.
Anyone who run the yellow packs of mr nice SSH seeds from around 20 years back knows what im talking about.

I still have packs in the fridge il get to someday but hands are full now.

My Sour Thai Nevil defo not as big yielding as your keeper SSH keeper but 100% can stand shoulder to shoulder with any SSH i tried on taste/High and the old SSH was 1 of my favourites as so many keepers found in every pack

 

[CannaT]

Some of the best Haze phenos ive ever seen have not been the biggest yielders at all, not tiny. Most Haze is great yielding but best Haze is defo not the most commercial ( quicker flowering/High yield)
The old SSH was some of the best ever , phenos from 8 week ( A dominant in taste High ) through to 16 weeks plus with A and C dominant phenos) and everything in between.
Anyone who run the yellow packs of mr nice SSH seeds from around 20 years back knows what im talking about.

I still have packs in the fridge il get to someday but hands are full now.

My Sour Thai Nevil defo not as big yielding as your keeper SSH keeper but 100% can stand shoulder to shoulder with any SSH i tried on taste/High and the old SSH was 1 of my favourites as so many keepers found in every pack

I dont think that big yilders arent special.
Old hazes what have you been smoking in coffeshops were XXL yilders.
Nobody would flower something for 100 days with medium or small yild even back than as now most growers grow in between profit and quality those old hazes are mostly dom haze plants with hybrid yild.
And were searched and selected in minimum of 100 seeds or more.
With human breeding desired traits were locked and expectional hybrids were made.

SSH was never being breed to be Haze dominant genetics.
Thats why Nevile offered Nevilles Haze and SSH.
They are skunk plants with haze smells and were breed for commercial haze growers.


Small and hard nuggets comes from hashplants.
While biggerbuds are closer to Sativas.

I found out while growed JH I tought that most haze dom plants were those varigation.
And @JohnnyChicago than told me its NL trait.
And I find out that he is right.
Those small nuggets phenos were nl phenos. No mather what they look smell and have high on Haze side.
Even my last jack pheno I had way before in fact was NL/SK/HAZE pheno. No mather what it floweer for 13-14 weeks.
But it was stonier than recent pheno so for people stronger. Like I had this time few A phenos were Sativa but few joints in a row and you go to bad instantly. They has that metalic herbaly NL bit taste.
While this new is more on Haze side and with much broader leafa than thise NL pheno.
And when you look Original Haze like THH

My new Jack cut looks much more to this than to NL.

 

[CannaT]

Red marked are Haze dom haze hybrids while blue marked are nl/haze.
Both are long flowered have uplifting highs but from small buds phenos you go to nap easily. While with reds not.
This smallest marked blue is like tga wrote about their jack lemon cleaner early haze.
Infact it was NL pheno with haze influence.

 

[ojd]

I dont think that big yilders arent special.

Old hazes what have you been smoking in coffeshops were XXL yilders.

Nobody would flower something for 100 days with medium or small yild even back than as now most growers grow in between profit and quality those old hazes are mostly dom haze plants with hybrid yild.

And were searched and selected in minimum of 100 seeds or more.

With human breeding desired traits were locked and expectional hybrids were made.



SSH was never being breed to be Haze dominant genetics.

Thats why Nevile offered Nevilles Haze and SSH.

They are skunk plants with haze smells and were breed for commercial haze growers.





Small and hard nuggets comes from hashplants.

While biggerbuds are closer to Sativas.



I found out while growed JH I tought that most haze dom plants were those varigation.

And @JohnnyChicago than told me its NL trait.

And I find out that he is right.

Those small nuggets phenos were nl phenos. No mather what they look smell and have high on Haze side.

Even my last jack pheno I had way before in fact was NL/SK/HAZE pheno. No mather what it floweer for 13-14 weeks.

But it was stonier than recent pheno so for people stronger. Like I had this time few A phenos were Sativa but few joints in a row and you go to bad instantly. They has that metalic herbaly NL bit taste.

While this new is more on Haze side and with much broader leafa than thise NL pheno.

And when you look Original Haze like THH



My new Jack cut looks much more to this than to NL.

I dont think that big yilders arent special.
Old hazes what have you been smoking in coffeshops were XXL yilders.
Nobody would flower something for 100 days with medium or small yild even back than as now most growers grow in between profit and quality those old hazes are mostly dom haze plants with hybrid yild.
And were searched and selected in minimum of 100 seeds or more.
With human breeding desired traits were locked and expectional hybrids were made.

SSH was never being breed to be Haze dominant genetics.
Thats why Nevile offered Nevilles Haze and SSH.
They are skunk plants with haze smells and were breed for commercial haze growers.


Small and hard nuggets comes from hashplants.
While biggerbuds are closer to Sativas.

I found out while growed JH I tought that most haze dom plants were those varigation.
And @JohnnyChicago than told me its NL trait.
And I find out that he is right.
Those small nuggets phenos were nl phenos. No mather what they look smell and have high on Haze side.
Even my last jack pheno I had way before in fact was NL/SK/HAZE pheno. No mather what it floweer for 13-14 weeks.
But it was stonier than recent pheno so for people stronger. Like I had this time few A phenos were Sativa but few joints in a row and you go to bad instantly. They has that metalic herbaly NL bit taste.
While this new is more on Haze side and with much broader leafa than thise NL pheno.
And when you look Original Haze like THH
View attachment 18786509
My new Jack cut looks much more to this than to NL.

The thing you guys dont understand is the Haze scene is not a dutch Coffeshop/commercial scene , we want the best quality Haze/Sativa regardless of yield flower time.
Like you said Nevil already made those Haze's some of the most well known Haze's in the world for people who want to experience that amazing Haze taste/High but in a much reduced easier to grow and thats what Nevil did creating the Haze scene we know today .
But we are Haze Connoisseurs and not the Coffeshop/market like most people and search out the finest strains , scourer the internet , attend cups , trade shows always looking for the best and we will go the extra weeks if need be or sacrifice some yield to have the best in the world , unlike most.

 

[ojd]

Also im not talking tiny yields apart from Gringspoon type phenos but obvisouly there are bigger yielders and clearly the flower power keeper of SSH has alot more NL5 than the wilder Hazes we hold and work with.

Im looking for the best , yield is bottom of my list , Taste, High , Resin , vigour first then yield