Hillary Clinton isn’t blowing smoke when she says she’s open to legalizing marijuana

[RetroGrow]

a .308 with a scope will do wonders...

Agreed, but we will need 11 million rounds. I think the government already bought most of them, to drive up prices and keep them out of the hands of patriots.
A single drone strike on the train would stop the illegal flow instantly.

 

[mik']

chance !!!!

 

[RetroGrow]

 

[armedoldhippy]

"you must spread some Rep around before giving more to RetroGrow" well, BULLSHIT!

 

[rbt]

Do you really think Hillary is your choice to head this effort do you trust her? That is the question I think she was sold in the election of promising peace and rebuilding in foreign affairs DO YOU SEE THAT BEING DONE?

There are some interesting facts about Hillary in her early years. It seemed she manufactured a bogus list of criminal activity on Richard Nixon working as a staff attorney on the special prosecution of Richard Nixon. Then Took that list to some senators on the special committee prosecuting Nixon. On that bogus information the Senators told Nixon he didn't have the vote in the Senate to avoid impeachment. So he resigned the lead Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. prosecutor found out what Hillary did and fired her would not recommend her for anything and wanted to go to the bar to have her dismissed but the special prosecution were sealed and cant be opened for 50 years. Bill Clinton as president sealed them for another 50 and along with Martin Luther kings files.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024386053

 

[RetroGrow]

The Clintons are a continuing criminal enterprise. They are as dishonest as they come. Bill Clinton has committed numerous felonies, and Hillary has always been his enabler. He has a new girlfriend now, and she knows all about it. His girlfriend is known as the "Energizer". Their union is strictly a business arrangement, as Hillary is a lesbian.
Hillary was fired for falsifying information in her zeal to get Nixon in the Watergate affair.

 

[RetroGrow]

Bill Clinton reportedly has a buxom blond mistress who visits so often when Hillary Clinton isn’t home in Chappaqua that the former president’s Secret Service detail have given her an unofficial code name: Energizer.

This is according to Ronald Kessler in “The First Family Detail: Secret Service Agents Reveal the Hidden Lives of Presidents,” due Aug. 5 from Crown Forum.

Kessler is no stranger to the controversies surrounding the Secret Service.

He broke the story that Secret Service agents protecting President Obama in Cartagena, Colombia, hired prostitutes, and put the president in jeopardy.

The book, portions of which I’ve obtained, says none of the normal protocols is followed when Energizer arrives in her SUV, sometimes just minutes after Hillary has left the Westchester house.

Kessler quotes a supervisor informing a new agent: “You don’t stop her, you don’t approach her, you just let her go in.”
Energizer, who is described as charming and friendly, sometimes brought cookies to the agents, according to the book excerpts.

One told Kessler: “It was a warm day, and she was wearing a low-cut tank top, and as she leaned over, her breasts were very exposed. They appeared to be very perky and very new and full … There was no doubt in my mind they were enhanced.”

Kessler also reports that Hillary’s Secret Service detail informs Bill’s Secret Service detail when the former first lady is coming home, so Bill has time to get Energizer off the property and clean up any evidence.

But once, the warning came late. “The agents had to scramble to get Energizer out of there so there wasn’t some kind of big confrontation.”

Kessler also reveals that Hillary is routinely rude to the agents who are sworn to take a bullet for her.

“Because she is so nasty to agents and hostile to law enforcement officers and military officers in general, agents consider being assigned to her detail a form of punishment,” Kessler wrote.

And they don’t get any cookies.

Bill’s representatives did not answer requests for comment.

Nick Merrill, a spokesman for Hillary, has been busy dealing with allegations in Ed Klein’s “Blood Feud,” about the supposed animosity between the Clintons and the Obamas.

http://pagesix.com/2014/07/21/the-s...ergizer/?_ga=1.41125474.1381510005.1389473017

 

[armedoldhippy]

lessee here now...an ugly irritable one that is mean/nasty to the folks that protect her, versus an "enhanced" pretty & friendly one that brings cookies....gosh, that would be hard to choose between.

 

[RetroGrow]

Imagine taking a bullet for that bitch?
I'd be hiding behind her.

 

[vta]

as Hillary is a lesbian.

Well then...this pic makes perfect sense now.

 

[bentom187]

The Hillary Tapes

Clinton tells of defense of child rapist in newly unearthed recordings

Newly discovered audio recordings of Hillary Clinton from the early 1980s include the former first lady’s frank and detailed assessment of the most significant criminal case of her legal career: defending a man accused of raping a 12-year-old girl.

In 1975, the same year she married Bill, Hillary Clinton agreed to serve as the court-appointed attorney for Thomas Alfred Taylor, a 41-year-old accused of raping the child after luring her into a car.

The recordings, which date from 1983-1987 and have never before been reported, include Clinton’s suggestion that she knew Taylor was guilty at the time. She says she used a legal technicality to plead her client, who faced 30 years to life in prison, down to a lesser charge. The recording and transcript, along with court documents pertaining to the case, are embedded below.

The full story of the Taylor defense calls into question Clinton’s narrative of her early years as a devoted women and children’s advocate in Arkansas—a narrative the 2016 presidential frontrunner continues to promote on her current book tour.

Her comments on the rape trial are part of more than five hours of unpublished interviews conducted by Arkansas reporter Roy Reed with then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton and his wife in the mid-1980s.

The interviews, archived at the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville, were intended for an Esquire magazine profile that was never published, and offer a rare personal glimpse of the couple during a pivotal moment in their political careers.

But Hillary Clinton’s most revealing comments—and those most likely to inflame critics—concern the decades-old rape case.

Twenty-seven-year-old Hillary Rodham had just moved to Fayetteville, and was running the University of Arkansas’ newly-formed legal aid clinic, when she received a call from prosecutor Mahlon Gibson.

“The prosecutor called me a few years ago, he said he had a guy who had been accused of rape, and the guy wanted a woman lawyer,” said Clinton in the interview. “Would I do it as a favor for him?”

The case was not easy. In the early hours of May 10, 1975, the Springdale, Arkansas police department received a call from a nearby hospital. It was treating a 12-year-old girl who said she had been raped.

The suspect was identified as Thomas Alfred Taylor, a 41-year-old factory worker and friend of the girl’s family.

And though the former first lady mentioned the ethical difficulties of the case in Living History, her written account some three decades later is short on details and has a far different tone than the tapes.

“It was a fascinating case, it was a very interesting case,” Clinton says in the recording. “This guy was accused of raping a 12-year-old. Course he claimed that he didn’t, and all this stuff” (LISTEN HERE).

Describing the events almost a decade after they had occurred, Clinton’s struck a casual and complacent attitude toward her client and the trial for rape of a minor.

“I had him take a polygraph, which he passed – which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs,” she added with a laugh.

Clinton can also be heard laughing at several points when discussing the crime lab’s accidental destruction of DNA evidence that tied Taylor to the crime.

From a legal ethics perspective, once she agreed to take the case, Clinton was required to defend her client to the fullest even if she did believe he was guilty.

“We’re hired guns,” Ronald D. Rotunda, a professor of legal ethics at Chapman University, told the Washington Free Beacon. “We don’t have to believe the client is innocent…our job is to represent the client in the best way we can within the bounds of the law.”

However, Rotunda said, for a lawyer to disclose the results of a client’s polygraph and guilt is a potential violation of attorney-client privilege.

“You can’t do that,” he said. “Unless the client says: ‘You’re free to tell people that you really think I’m a scumbag, and the only reason I got a lighter sentence is because you’re a really clever lawyer.’”

Clinton was suspended from the Arkansas bar in March of 2002 for failing to keep up with continuing legal education requirements, according to Arkansas judicial records.

Public records provide few details of what happened on the night in question. The Washington County Sherriff’s Office, which investigated the case after the Springdale Police Department handled the initial arrest, said it was unable to provide an incident report since many records from that time were not maintained and others were destroyed in a flood.

A lengthy yet largely overlooked 2008 Newsday story focused on Clinton’s legal strategy of attacking the credibility of the 12-year-old victim.

The girl had joined Taylor and two male acquaintances, including one 15-year-old boy she had a crush on, on a late-night trip to the bowling alley, according to Newsday.

Taylor drove the group around in his truck, pouring the girl whisky and coke on the way.

The group later drove to a “weedy ravine” near the highway where Taylor raped the 12-year-old.

Around 4 a.m., the girl and her mother went to the hospital, where she was given medical tests and reported that she had been assaulted.

Taylor was arrested on May 13, 1975. The court initially appointed public defender John Barry Baker to serve as his attorney. But Taylor insisted he wanted a female lawyer.

The lawyer he would end up with: Hillary Rodham.

According to court documents, the prosecution’s case was based on testimony from the 12-year-old girl and the two male witnesses as well as on a “pair of men’s undershorts taken from the defendant herein.”

In a July 28, 1975, court affidavit, Clinton wrote that she had been informed the young girl was “emotionally unstable” and had a “tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing.”

“I have also been told by an expert in child psychology that children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents in disorganized families, such as the complainant’s, are even more prone to exaggerate behavior,” Clinton said.

Clinton said the child had “in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body” and that the girl “exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”

But the interview reveals that an error by the prosecution would render unnecessary these attacks on the credibility of a 12-year-old rape victim.

‘We had a lot of fun with Maupin’

“You know, what was sad about it,” Clinton told Reed, “was that the prosecutor had evidence, among which was [Taylor’s] underwear, which was bloody.”

Clinton wrote in Living History that she was able to win a plea deal for her client after she obtained forensic testimony that “cast doubt on the evidentiary value of semen and blood samples collected by the sheriff’s office.”

She did that by seizing on a missing link in the chain of evidence. According to Clinton’s interview, the prosecution lost track of its own forensic evidence after the testing was complete.

“The crime lab took the pair of underpants, neatly cut out the part that they were gonna test, tested it, came back with the result of what kind of blood it was what was mixed in with it – then sent the pants back with the hole in it to evidence,” said Clinton (LISTEN HERE). “Of course the crime lab had thrown away the piece they had cut out.”

Clinton said she got permission from the court to take the underwear to a renowned forensics expert in New York City to see if he could confirm that the evidence had been invalidated.

“The story through the grape vine was that if you could get [this investigator] interested in the case then you had the foremost expert in the world willing to testify, so maybe it came out the way you wanted it to come out,” she said.

She said the investigator examined the cut-up underwear and told her there was not enough blood left on it to test.

When Clinton returned to Arkansas, she said she gave the prosecutor a clipping of the New York forensic investigator’s “Who’s Who.”

“I handed it to Gibson, and I said, ‘Well this guy’s ready to come up from New York to prevent this miscarriage of justice,’” said Clinton, breaking into laughter.

“So we were gonna plea bargain,” she continued.

When she went before Judge Cummings to present the plea, he asked her to leave the room while he interrogated her client, she said.

“I said, ‘Judge I can’t leave the room, I’m his lawyer,’” said Clinton, laughing. “He said, ‘I know but I don’t want to talk about this in front of you.’”

“So that was Maupin [Cummings], we had a lot of fun with Maupin,” Clinton added.

Reed asked what happened to the rapist.

“Oh, he plea bargained. Got him off with time served in the county jail, he’d been in the county jail for about two months,” said Clinton.

When asked why Taylor wanted a female lawyer, Clinton responded, “Who knows. Probably saw a TV show. He just wanted one.”

Taylor, who pleaded to unlawful fondling of a chid, was sentenced to one year in prison, with two months reduced for time served. He died in 1992.

‘Is This About That Rape of Me?’

Neither Reed nor a spokesman for Hillary Clinton returned a request for comment.

The Taylor case was a minor episode in the lengthy career of Clinton, who writes in Living History, before moving on to other topics, that the trial inspired her co-founding of the first rape crisis hotline in Fayetteville.

Clinton and her supporters highlight her decades of advocacy on behalf of women and children, from her legal work at the Children’s Defense Fund to her women’s rights initiatives at the Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton Foundation.

And yet there are parallels between the tactics Clinton employed to defend Taylor and the tactics she, her husband, and their allies have used to defend themselves against accusations of wrongdoing over the course of their three decades in public life.

In the interview with Reed, Clinton does not mention the hotline, nor does she discuss the plight of the 12-year-old girl who had been attacked.

Now 52, the victim resides in the same town where she was born.

Divorced and living alone, she blames her troubled life on the attack. She was in prison for check forgery to pay for her prior addiction to methamphetamines when Newsday interviewed her in 2008. The story says she harbored no ill will toward Clinton.

According to her, that is not the case.

“Is this about that rape of me?” she asked when a Free Beacon reporter knocked on her door and requested an interview.

Declining an interview, she nevertheless expressed deep and abiding hostility toward the Newsday reporter who spoke to her in 2008—and toward her assailant’s defender, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

 

[Slim Pickens]

Anybody here would be hard pressed to convince me that she is anything but a self serving...ego tripping...ball busting hag,but then again,aren't the majority of politicians like that?

Anyway,looking back over the last couple of pages,there has been precious little discussion about the topic at hand.Should we move on,or are we going to continually rehash the "Hillary is a Hag" meme?

 

[RetroGrow]

As I posted earlier, the Clintons are a crime family. They are a continuing criminal enterprise. There has never been a more dishonest couple in American politics. Bill commits the crimes, and Hillary covers for him. She has known about his many affairs, but continues to lie about it and cast aspersions on his love interests. Many, many people who had evidence against the Clintons have turned up dead under suspicious circumstances, including state troopers who "guarded" him, and thus knew his secrets, and including numerous other bodyguards who had intimate knowledge of Clinton. Vince Foster, white house counsel who was investigating the Clinton's finances, was found with a bullet hole in his head in the park. Witnesses who found him said there was no gun, but later, a gun was placed in his hand by someone. There was a suicide note that was torn in pieces, and examination of that note showed it to be a forgery. These are only a small number of the Clinton body count. If you want to see the entire list, go here:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.html

Whether or not you choose to believe any of that, there is one indisputable fact: Bill Clinton pardoned 450 people on his last day in office. This is known as "pardongate". Many of those pardoned were for cocaine charges, including his brother Roger, and his best friend, and fellow cocaine user, Dan Lasater. This pardon occurred when Clinton was in his second gubernatorial term. However, "pardongate" was so outrageous, that there was a congressional investigation. Clinton pardoned 16 violent terrorists who committed 120 bombing in the U.S., killing 6 and maiming scores. From Wikipedia:

"On August 11, 1999, Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, a violent Puerto Rican terrorist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States, mostly in New York City and Chicago. There were convictions for conspiracy to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as firearms and explosives violations.[5] The 16 were convicted of conspiracy and sedition and sentenced with terms ranging from 35 to 105 years in prison. Congress, however, recognizes that the FALN is responsible for "6 deaths and the permanent maiming of dozens of others, including law enforcement officials." Clinton offered clemency on the condition that the prisoners renounce violence, seeing as none of the 16 had been convicted of harming anyone and they had already served 19 years in prison. This action was lobbied for by ten Nobel Laureates, the Archbishop of Puerto Rico and the Roman Catholic Cardinal of New York City.[6] The commutation was opposed by the U.S. Attorney's Office, the FBI, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons and was criticized by many, including former victims of FALN terrorist activities and the Fraternal Order of Police.[7] Hillary Clinton, then campaigning for her first term in the Senate, initially supported the commutation,[8] but later withdrew her support.[9]

Congress condemned this action by President Clinton, with votes of 95-2 in the Senate and 311-41 in the House.[10][11] The U.S. House Committee on Government Reform held an investigation on the matter, but the Justice Department prevented FBI officials from testifying.[12] President Clinton cited executive privilege for his refusal to turn over some documents to Congress related to his decision to offer clemency to members of the FALN terrorist group."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy

The partial list of pardons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton

 

[Captain Ginyu]

A pox on both parties! Does anyone think the reason for the huge decrease in voter turnout is due to laziness?

 

[nukklehead]

it's the ones where she opened her mouth and spoke

uumm correction.. she misspoke (lied)..lol....

Love this thread... kind of I dont know...

Im not going to talk about political parties but isnt it funny how us
stoners (getting older) shun and are scared to death of democrats
when years ago it was the war mongering republicans to be afraid of.
Now the dems want more illegals, free health care for all, and on and on...

If I have and thats a big IF I have a party affilation it would be Libertarian only because the 2 big ones are truly sold out.. i.e JP Morgan, Rothschilds, i.e big bankers who truly own the world and
the sheep in the world that follow there commands...but thats a whole other story


Baaa,,, Baaaaa... Baaaaa... ( sheep)....lol.......







Baa ...Baaa.. Baaaa....

 

[thesloppy]

Im not going to talk about political parties but isnt it funny how us
stoners (getting older) shun and are scared to death of democrats
when years ago it was the war mongering republicans to be afraid of.

Yeah. Over the years I've grown to respect the fact that while I disagree with everything they say, Republicans outline the horrible shit they're planning on doing, idiots vote for it, and then they actually try and do it. Whereas the Democrats have seemingly spent the last 50 years figuring out just what liberals want, promise it to them, and then push the conservative agenda forward, either by intention or incompetence, while pointing their fingers in the other direction.

30 years ago those promises sounded sweet, and Republican policy seemed like evil-on-display. Nowadays, after watching the same tragic comedy for decades, every new promise feel like getting poked in an open wound, while putting your evil on display at least earns some points for honesty.

 

[RetroGrow]

If the American people actually fall for this old power hungry hag's BS, then I give up. We can't be THAT dumbed down, can we? I mean despite importing dumbocrats over the open borders for decades? It's just surreal that Americans will vote for a familiar name simply out of familiarity. Bush...Clinton....Bush....Clinton....where does it end? Do these people have a birthright to the Presidency?
Put this old bag out to pasture. We need new "leaders", new ideas, not the same old same old.

 

[rbt]

Republicans outline the horrible shit they're planning on doing, idiots vote for it, and then they actually try and do it. Whereas the Democrats have seemingly spent the last 50 years figuring out just what liberals want, promise it to them, and then push the conservative agenda forward, either by intention or incompetence, while pointing their fingers in the other direction.

.[/quote]

Sloppy do a little history lesson it was the Republican that changed voting rights poll literacy challenges. forced LBJ to sign legislation of civil rights. Broke up monopolies, even supported Unions more then Dem in legislation, Heck even Nixon stopped Vietnam that Kennedy went from 500 to 50,000 Johnson to 500,000
I can still remember " Hey Hey LBJ How man kids did you kill today" when he started carpet bombing. I think you need to look at the majority not the weird extremes of each party to describe them.

Yea history has escaped you. Not that I am a republican but defiantly no a party member.

If it is as bad as what the say what party has the majority and has had for at least the last 100 years in City County State Federal elected positions. Living the Dream Hope is on the way!!

 

[SoufLondon]

Does ron paul still exist

 

[Loc Dog]

Does ron paul still exist

His son is running as left leaning Republican, Rand Paul.

Ron Paul's organization is Campaign for Liberty.