High price seeds over $20 each good genetics wrapped in golden paper mean

[I Care]

It seems that this thread was hijacked
So I'm here no worries
I'm having trouble with this strain
yummy yummy from Sol Fire
Grown from seed in living soil
7 gallon fabric pot
Lights 12 / 12 HLG patriot 150
2x2.5 grow tent Gorilla
Temps about high 80's in tent
42 % humidity
2 weeks into flower
Leaves curling down in the beginning and was doing a longer dry back period and now leaves are curling up and down.

sorry I passed over your issue

definitely the best thing you can do is to raise the light by approximately the distance of your little finger. It won’t get better but it will just stop getting worse

much more difficult and risky move would be manipulating your substrate with a nutrient solution to see if you can get them tolerating the excess light but that’s a gamble.

habe an outdoor sativa plant canoeing right now and I think it’s the potassium from flower nutes and the low pH solution I’ve been giving it to correct alkaline potting soil

Well I had a couple of mini fridges .
I liked the smaller ones for counter top , the waist high ones are awkward to get into

Thanks, highly considering the mobility of smaller portable size thermoelectric mini fridges, but what really matters if they are efficient and reliable. Taking closer look they’re intended to keep cooler but not continuous 30s always like a full size fridge. The life expectancy and efficiency matters to me mainly so whatever it takes to get the job done And to last for years to come.

 

[kro-magnon]

sorry I passed over your issue

definitely the best thing you can do is to raise the light by approximately the distance of your little finger. It won’t get better but it will just stop getting worse

much more difficult and risky move would be manipulating your substrate with a nutrient solution to see if you can get them tolerating the excess light but that’s a gamble.

habe an outdoor sativa plant canoeing right now and I think it’s the potassium from flower nutes and the low pH solution I’ve been giving it to correct alkaline potting soil


Thanks, highly considering the mobility of smaller portable size thermoelectric mini fridges, but what really matters if they are efficient and reliable. Taking closer look they’re intended to keep cooler but not continuous 30s always like a full size fridge. The life expectancy and efficiency matters to me mainly so whatever it takes to get the job done And to last for years to come.

I'm not sure the potassium play a role in curling leaves, I had a clone doing that in veg while fed with minimal dose of K, in my case it was because the light was too close of the plant. In my set-up so far the plants with those leaves were over exposed to light, it's possible there is more causes for this but in my case it was due to light and it must be pretty common today with the LED available.

 

[Porky82]

A seed should never be more than $10!

 

[I Care]

I'm not sure the potassium play a role in curling leaves, I had a clone doing that in veg while fed with minimal dose of K, in my case it was because the light was too close of the plant. In my set-up so far the plants with those leaves were over exposed to light, it's possible there is more causes for this but in my case it was due to light and it must be pretty common today with the LED available.

It’s also something nutrient related that causes it. No doubt about light but I think it’s somewhat a potassium balance issue as that makes the serrations canoe and curl badly in high light. I thought it was light intensity until I see it outdoors too. So they must go hand in hand.

This was 8” from tip top and increasing the distance from my ViparSpectreXS2500Pro boards did stop the progression into total loss.

 

[Riviera123]

$10 so that's the price im going with and no going over to get them free seeds . Ha ha
I really would like to try some cheap seeds

 

[I Care]

This outdoor plant is what gets me thinking that canoeing under intense light is also related to a nutrient imbalance. GO bloom, jacks tomato, molasses and alaska morbloom as main nutrient content pah adjusted 1200ppm floods so. I thought it was the light but it must be that nutrient inefficiency is involved in canoeing too. I may be wrong about it being K

$10 so that's the price im going with and no going over to get them free seeds . Ha ha
I really would like to try some cheap seeds

I saw you can buy bulk fem seeds for 2 bones a piece from some places online, seeds on clearance too. old strains with pics of great flowers instead of a cartoons and names that are intended for a mature audience are in clearance sections

 

[graser]

I really would like to try some cheap seeds

During my last runs, I tried several varieties from different breeders.
The varieties Pineapple Funk and Guerilla Glue from the Bulk Seed Bank were outstanding in terms of quality and yield.
5 fems cost between 15€ -17€ and are well worth the money.

 

[Porky82]

$10 so that's the price im going with and no going over to get them free seeds . Ha ha
I really would like to try some cheap seeds

During my last runs, I tried several varieties from different breeders.
The varieties Pineapple Funk and Guerilla Glue from the Bulk Seed Bank were outstanding in terms of quality and yield.
5 fems cost between 15€ -17€ and are well worth the money.

Check out Seedsman in house stuff. I've grown over 8 of their strains and they have been cheap, good quality and stable genectics.
Got plenty of pics if yous are interested.

 

[kro-magnon]

The seeds from KC Brains are some of the cheapest on the market yet you can find some great plants, he has a few famous seed lines like Leda Uno or KC36 who have been used in crosses by other breeders, there is a Sour Leda from Karma Genetics, that a good argument for the quality of the line. Sadly there is not a lot of grow diaries with KC Brains genetics to display what they have to offer, I should get some Leda Uno and make a small run to satisfy my curiosity;

 

[regseeds]

Price is not relevant.

Time & Energy the important intangibles you never get back. In the case of the top Sativa lines, you must put in serious work and then begin curing. It is a huge investment in time to ripen/age the trichomes. Wasting time looking in the wrong place is 1000x more painful than losing a small amount of money. You want to find and reproduce the phenotypes, but it takes work.

Do I care about a year's energy input or a $100?

When I obtained some of Kangtiva's lines, I cheated life. Transcended time and proximity and got to "stand on the shoulder of giants" for pennies on the dollar. I don't have enough time remaining in my life to complete the work on the lines he did. I think it's daylight robbery to jump in front of the queue and pick up where he left off. It is possible to find amazing value. What you can't teach is knowing what to look for.

Many good breeders put out amazing work for cheap. If you know what you're doing, all the value is with the consumer.

 

[Asentrouw]

Price is not relevant.

Time & Energy the important intangibles you never get back. In the case of the top Sativa lines, you must put in serious work and then begin curing. It is a huge investment in time to ripen/age the trichomes. Wasting time looking in the wrong place is 1000x more painful than losing a small amount of money. You want to find and reproduce the phenotypes, but it takes work.

Do I care about a year's energy input or a $100?

When I obtained some of Kangtiva's lines, I cheated life. Transcended time and proximity and got to "stand on the shoulder of giants" for pennies on the dollar. I don't have enough time remaining in my life to complete the work on the lines he did. I think it's daylight robbery to jump in front of the queue and pick up where he left off. It is possible to find amazing value. What you can't teach is knowing what to look for.

Many good breeders put out amazing work for cheap. If you know what you're doing, all the value is with the consumer.

Price is not relevant, quality is. However, in the commercialized and profit-driven market high prices don't equal quality. So in many cases it's not necessary to pay high prices for the exact same genetics sold by another for lower prices.

And even a good breeder shouldn't charge ridiculous ammounts of money for their work. One plant produces thousands of seeds. So even if there is a fair ammount of work in it, the prices sometimes border to extortion.

Don't get me wrong, I think the breeder has to get what's worth for his work. But there is a difference between a honest price and a swindle.

 

[Riviera123]

It's a buisness and tons of competition , seems like a unsolvable delima

 

[Riviera123]

I disagree with myself I think that consumers buying seeds should be cautious .

 

[Asentrouw]

I disagree with myself I think that consumers buying seeds should be cautious .

I do agree with that. We should just understand that the commercialization of products will corrupt it.

If people willingly want to be robbed or throw their money away so be it.

However, its good to inform people about it and point out the swindlers, before pissing their money away.

Some morality and selfcontrol in the "cannabis scene" would not be a bad thing for unknowing consumers.

Dog-eat-dog competition and associated greed will not only hit the consumers, but also the product - the plant - itself.

The so-called "legalization" will only make matters even worse.

But maybe I'm just to political/idealist about it.

 

[I Care]

If you have happy customers hundred diaries of seeds that look they produce clone only results maybe fem/bx/ibl seeds make sense from these guys. If they guarantee germination and back that up with a support team, youre kinda getting services with your seed then that may justify. Maybe someone has to keep up a retail location or with legal regulations and has the added overhead of staying safe. Maybe is justifiable too.

for somebody like me to go buying seeds and crossing stuff without documentation or testing. then to sts a coulple fem seeds just to say I have the same shit someone else has when I didn’t log in the work. and thatll be 20 bones you have fun and go grow, good luck. Theres no value in that to me or anybody else.

 

[Asentrouw]

If you have happy customers hundred diaries of seeds that look they produce clone only results maybe fem/bx/ibl seeds make sense from these guys. If they guarantee germination and back that up with a support team, youre kinda getting services with your seed then that may justify. Maybe someone has to keep up a retail location or with legal regulations and has the added overhead of staying safe. Maybe is justifiable too.

Sure there is something to say for that. But with legalization and commercialization in the end big bussiness takes over and dictates the prices and market. The honest small enterpreneur (smalltime breeder) is always the victim of that.

Personally I wouldn't know why I shouldn't get the exact same Spanish bulkseeds the Dutch seedbanks buy their stock at for 1 buck a piece. Else I need to pay 10 bucks for the re-packed version of the exact same seed at these Dutch seedbanks.

I doubt across the Ocean in the USA and Canada its any better, especially if I see the high prices there compared to the Dutch seedbanks. Next step will probably be that the Dutch seedbanks will double the price to keep up with the marketing hypes overseas.

But still the consumer believes in the rethoric that high prices equal high quality, which obviously is seldom the case.

 

[Asentrouw]

In that case the cheap pollen chucker who makes certain overpriced genetics available to the masses can also be seen as the good guy. A modern Robin Hood.

 

[-maui-]

A hybrid called blue zushi is availible from dutch passion $$$$ or from growers choice $$, allegedly same cross but different pricing.
A hybrid called red red wine from perfect tree seeds $$$ or red wine from seeds genetic $ (who don't even have pics of real bud on their site, but ai pics) seems same seed as well.
These are examples were they kept the strain names and linage so I can compare, I guess the same seeds could also go with other made up names and linage to bring great diversity to the trusting customers.
Just because its bulk seed doesn't mean it will grow bad plants per se, and if i wanted such hybrids really bad i'd go by the cheapest i can find. I hate the idea to spend more money for marketing agencys then for the beans.

 

[I Care]

Not necessarily, I mean if there are consumers that buy the most expensive thing they can,just to say they paid however much for it... While I might smile at somebody and entertain their enthusiasm of how expensive to how much money something is valued at, I’ll do so knowing that they are completely clueless that I don’t give a shit. Then I’ll explain to them higher quality in something that isn’t so expensive, then guaranteed they’ll go on about how they think this new expensive shit is amazing, and I’ll stare at them and explain that the performance of whatever thing they think is amazing was exceeded years ago for a fraction of the cost with proven durability.

I think this is probably the deal with seeds. So ya there’s going to be somebody who thinks that people wouldn’t charge that much if it wasn’t better than the rest, then that’s where they bait these consumers from a young age with western marketing fallacies and reward people with increasingly disposable garbage.

So let’s say I am a seed counterfeiter. Well if I was counterfeiting, I wouldn‘t counterfeit the cheapest of something in large quantities of extremely poor quality counterfeits just to have to spend the extra time dumping all those counterfeits at half price. I would rather counterfeit something at an indistinguishable quality difference to my unknowing victims and do so in a manner that isn’t going to leave a bunch of pointers back to me. I am of no sort a counterfeiter.


I’m thinking that if you’re not after some new sparkly new collectible toy. Yea, cause it’s what babies are smokin then I think you’re going to end up paying more than you need to and produce results subpar to the expectation.

I can’t imagine paying 20 euros. More than 20 bucks North American, for one seed, and then sometimes life sucks and we ruin stuff and me crying like a baby when its damping off and I’m already to poor to buy weed so I have to grow it. Then being the victim having no experience to prevent plant issues, when you need customer service.. you get crickets or even worse.. some business marketing grad student trying to teach you how to grow pot by saying you need 1500 dollars worth of equipment for some genetically engineered masterpiece you just killed and that it’s nothing to do with their seed. Thats where someone might give up.

To be honest I know nothing about this subject and I have a fucked up imagination. But it’s simple as all someone has to do is get their genetics from the most local source they can find at whatever price and that will be the most successful way for them to grow. It’s not that necessarily $ or $$$$ matters at all, what really matters is the source and not the cost. I could grow out a pack of bubba kush from where’ve and a pack of deep chunk from wherever and take the first bubba and the first chunk and then use the bubba to pollinate a chunk and call it that, then ask whatever kinda money I want for them. doesn’t mean poeple will buy them. or I could but 5 packs of each and pick the beat pairs but by time I re-established the BKxDC someone would have ripped me off, crossed out and named it something more baby food jar cartoon label friendly.. before I even got to the better part of it out there. nobody would even know it ever existed and how good it was cause it didn’t “yield”

I cant imagine being one of you guys that are really doing this thing. The brave guys risking the misery of incarceration growing and sharing the best, then to be pushed out by the guy replicating your work into commercially viable hempenstein for profit rather than the exotic and unique living masterpiece. Then outselling because it’s cheaper to grow and more people heard about it cause it’s been flooding the globe. I guess guys must just have to cry sometimes when you see your work and think.. why didn’t they just keep that one going in a more positive and exotic direction? Maybe ask the same question to myself if I miss something when selecting the range of expressions I want to include in my own name sake. I can’t see how I’ll ever be able to sell seeds personally. Maybe one day I’ll have something worth bringing ditch weed back. A strain thats so good it’s put every other drug industry straight into the fire like they did to us!

okay now I might be getting cranky with myself smoking some seed I was given

dudes its scary for po folks to spend a hundred or more on a variety of seeds, and most everybody started off killing seedlings in their teenage years ans that’s traumatic! if you ain’t doing it to make sure mofos stay on the grass then really what is breeding all about?
now I’m thorughly baked thanks buddy

 

[Lester Beans]

Best bet is to learn how to grow so you don't end up killing expensive seed. Start with cheap seeds.

Plant problems are on you, not the seed maker.