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but if it happens to you after smoking indica, it will be more some health issue.. what about to visit doctor to check your heart?

You seem to be thinking that the terms indica and sativa actually refer to pharmaceutical qualities of cannabis.

Active substance profiles with modern polyhybrid varietes of cannabis (that is 99.99 percent of all available seed even if they are called Sative, Indica, dominant, pure, IBL, landrace, heirloom or whatever) are literally all over the place, apart from the fact that one and the same bud will have different effects with different people.

This terminology is a marketing scheme. Indica and Sativa are sales talk. No way can anybody foretell if bud or seed will increase one's heart rate by looking at what it is marketed as, Indica oder Sativa. Also there have always been e.g. Afghan varieties around that were reported to be racy. Increased heart rate btw is one of the most common unwanted physical side effects of cannabis consumption in general.

If somebody reports health issues after smoking weed, be it physical or mental ones, the last thing I would do is recommend to change to something labeled Sativa, or Indica, or whatever. Regardless of whether that symptom has occured only recently or has been there from the start.


OP, visit a doctor and get a check up.

And yeah you explicitly said it but anyway, stop smoking for a while. Sorry dude.
 

FTL

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Hi doctor, please check this lump on my testicle. Don't tell me it's cancer though! 😃
It’s not cancer ..... it’s your tiny weenus
THC elevates your heart rate. If you don't want weed to elevate your heart rate, don't smoke weed.
Personally I’d give the weed a break and come back to once the heart rate issue goes away. You are almost in a psychological trap now of anticipating a high heat rate before smoking thereby increasing the likelihood of it happening. I get it before a BP test , I hate the way it squeezes my arm and I tense up and it increase my BP. Round two I relax and hit a better print out.
 

HempKat

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Thc turns to cbn in a dry environment, or can convert into stronger agonists over 55% rh.
Cbn has sleepy effects but I don’t think it’s an antagonist so doesn’t block cannabinoid uptake like cbd does afaik.

High cbd cannabis (bedrolite) is least often prescribed for the least number of ailments, high thc (bedrocan) most often prescribed for the most number of ailments.

A quote from Ethan Russo (head of research at gw pharmaceuticals when they were developing sativex)..

‘There is nothing cbd can do that thc can’t do better’

The amount of cbd necessary to achieve any measurable level of efficacy for any condition is huge when compared to the tiny amount of thc required to relieve symptoms so it’s use is considered cost prohibitive but it’s sometimes prescribed for people who want to avoid the happy uplifting contented psychoactive effects of thc because it blocks peak uptake.

There are some problematic drug interactions, liver toxicity and tolerance issues from cbd that aren’t a problem with thc so cbd is best avoided if you use cannabis medicinally.
Clearly you've looked into this subject more deeply then I have so I'll just take your word for all the points you made. It sounds about right. The only thing I would question is the quote from Ethan Russo. I have a hard time trusting the word of anyone associated with the pharmaceutical industry even if it's the head of research. The pharmacautical industry has played too big a role in keeping a thorough understanding of medical marijuana surfacing into the public, just so they can push their overpriced imitations such as Sativex. Mind you that just my opinion as far as understanding the benefits of medical marijuana or individual cannabinoids such as CBN, CBD or CBC all I really have to go on is anecdotal evidence from my own experiences and of other people's experiences that have become well known in the Medical Marijuana community. Like the well known story of Charlotte's Web being good for Childhood Epilepsy Syndromes. That one in particular I'm inclined to trust since there are enough reported cases of it being used successfully to pretty good results, even though the knowledge of it being good for that was spread mainly by word of mouth. I've never seen CBN available to try nor do I know anyone that used CBN for treating something like insomnia so I can't really say anything one way or another about it. As for CBD I assume it's as widely available all over the US as it is in my area (which is to say all over the place) and I've heard the claims of it being good for pain. However my own experience is that CBD did absolutely nothing to touch my chronic back pain when I once tried it for that. Which left me wondering if it's benefits are more like a placebo then an effective medicine? Either that or CBD is only good for certain types of minor aches and pains such as muscle strain or bruises rather then more serious pain due to more complicated conditions such as spinal stenosis (what I suffer from).

I'm not really sold on the idea of what we usually think of as Medical Marijuana being effective for pain because in my life time I've gotten high on many different strains of cannabis while suffering from pain of all sorts and never felt like it really relieved the pain as much as it just helped to take my mind off of it but didn't really reduce the pain the way more conventional pain medications do. All of which brings me back to the opinion that there has not been near enough research on the medical effectiveness of cannabis. I mean there has been some promising research done in other countries with the most promising coming from Israel (at least as far as what I'v heard or read about) but a lot of the research in other countries feels like it was done much like we've seen in the US in order to drive a political agenda in the country the research came from. Hopefully one day in the not to distant future we'll start to see that more serious research done so that we have a better knowledge of hwat can be done and what strains are best to do it. I do believe there are very real benefits for a wide range of conditions, that Cannabis can provide once we unlock how all the cannabinoids work together to provide the benefits that they do.
 

H e d g e

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Clearly you've looked into this subject more deeply then I have so I'll just take your word for all the points you made. It sounds about right. The only thing I would question is the quote from Ethan Russo. I have a hard time trusting the word of anyone associated with the pharmaceutical industry even if it's the head of research. The pharmacautical industry has played too big a role in keeping a thorough understanding of medical marijuana surfacing into the public, just so they can push their overpriced imitations such as Sativex. Mind you that just my opinion as far as understanding the benefits of medical marijuana or individual cannabinoids such as CBN, CBD or CBC all I really have to go on is anecdotal evidence from my own experiences and of other people's experiences that have become well known in the Medical Marijuana community. Like the well known story of Charlotte's Web being good for Childhood Epilepsy Syndromes. That one in particular I'm inclined to trust since there are enough reported cases of it being used successfully to pretty good results, even though the knowledge of it being good for that was spread mainly by word of mouth. I've never seen CBN available to try nor do I know anyone that used CBN for treating something like insomnia so I can't really say anything one way or another about it. As for CBD I assume it's as widely available all over the US as it is in my area (which is to say all over the place) and I've heard the claims of it being good for pain. However my own experience is that CBD did absolutely nothing to touch my chronic back pain when I once tried it for that. Which left me wondering if it's benefits are more like a placebo then an effective medicine? Either that or CBD is only good for certain types of minor aches and pains such as muscle strain or bruises rather then more serious pain due to more complicated conditions such as spinal stenosis (what I suffer from).

I'm not really sold on the idea of what we usually think of as Medical Marijuana being effective for pain because in my life time I've gotten high on many different strains of cannabis while suffering from pain of all sorts and never felt like it really relieved the pain as much as it just helped to take my mind off of it but didn't really reduce the pain the way more conventional pain medications do. All of which brings me back to the opinion that there has not been near enough research on the medical effectiveness of cannabis. I mean there has been some promising research done in other countries with the most promising coming from Israel (at least as far as what I'v heard or read about) but a lot of the research in other countries feels like it was done much like we've seen in the US in order to drive a political agenda in the country the research came from. Hopefully one day in the not to distant future we'll start to see that more serious research done so that we have a better knowledge of hwat can be done and what strains are best to do it. I do believe there are very real benefits for a wide range of conditions, that Cannabis can provide once we unlock how all the cannabinoids work together to provide the benefits that they do.
Ethan was working for the dark side but has since reached the end of his agreement not to talk about the research he was doing there, he’s a very bright and well informed man and I believe well intentioned but like most of us has to pay the bills and the only people who can afford to have research done didn’t get their money being nice.
He was widely credited for the discovery of the entourage effect but claims to have only popularised it and introduced terpenes to the equation.

It’s very sad that Charlotte died and perhaps she would still be with us if she’d been given type one cannabis but prohibition propaganda and legal pressure has left parents in doubt as to its safety for those with developing brains.

The variety you see in the dispensary is all the same cannabinoids in different ratios, the interesting work is still being stifled.
Research into stronger agonists like thcp and landrace cannabis unpolluted by skunk og or hemp is what’s required but it will never happen.
Information re cbd was a carefully orchestrated propaganda campaign framed as word of mouth, we were told it was the medicinal cannabinoid, this could not be further from the truth.

If you can’t take Ethan’s word for it that there is nothing cbd can do that thc can’t do better then look at the way bedrocan is prescribed vs bedrolite, the latter is least often prescribed for the least number of conditions, bedrocan is most often prescribed for the most number of conditions. Cbd is only ever prescribed for those worried about or hoping to avoid the psychoactive effects of thc.

Ethan claims there is a biphasic dose response in the treatment of pain and you may find sublingual micro doses to be more effective than smoking a whole spliff, I’ve found the same as you, it distracts me from it but doesn’t completely take it away.

If you want to try cbn for sleep then just double the recommended cooking time for a type 1 (thc) plant, the effects become more sleepy the longer it’s cooked (decarboxylated).
 
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found the link:


INTRODUCTION

THC (delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol) is known to be present in flowering plants of Cannabis. However, its location in the plant and particularly in the cell remains less generally known. Our studies have been directed to determining where these compounds are localized at the whole plant and cellular level, with a long term objective to determine the organelle or membrane in the cell in their synthesis. It also should be possible to identify the gene responsible for synthesis of these compounds, THC in particular, and modulate this gene so as to develop strains of Cannabis with no THC, or no cannabinoids. Such strains would be intended for hemp agriculture.

The first phase of this study is to determine localization of THC in the plant. As part of this program we initiated an effort to accumulate a germplasm collection of various strains of world-wide distribution that are utilized in hemp cultivation in the classical sense, as well as seed oil strains and those with various levels of THC. We have utilized these strains for analyses of cannabinoids and their distribution; they also will serve as a germplasm source for future studies.

The purposes of this study are: a) to determine where cannabinoids are localized in the plant, and in which specific tissue, and b) to determine where within the cell or tissue cannabinoids are localized. Preliminary studies show it to be in the gland. Historically, it has been reported that a glandless mutant was detected at one time, but is now lost. If THC is in the gland, and glandless mutants can be produced, it should then be possible to reduce significantly the THC content of the plant. Such a plant, with its low THC content, would be a potentially important strain for the industrial hemp industry.

... lots more ...
 

H e d g e

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found the link:


INTRODUCTION

THC (delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol) is known to be present in flowering plants of Cannabis. However, its location in the plant and particularly in the cell remains less generally known. Our studies have been directed to determining where these compounds are localized at the whole plant and cellular level, with a long term objective to determine the organelle or membrane in the cell in their synthesis. It also should be possible to identify the gene responsible for synthesis of these compounds, THC in particular, and modulate this gene so as to develop strains of Cannabis with no THC, or no cannabinoids. Such strains would be intended for hemp agriculture.

The first phase of this study is to determine localization of THC in the plant. As part of this program we initiated an effort to accumulate a germplasm collection of various strains of world-wide distribution that are utilized in hemp cultivation in the classical sense, as well as seed oil strains and those with various levels of THC. We have utilized these strains for analyses of cannabinoids and their distribution; they also will serve as a germplasm source for future studies.

The purposes of this study are: a) to determine where cannabinoids are localized in the plant, and in which specific tissue, and b) to determine where within the cell or tissue cannabinoids are localized. Preliminary studies show it to be in the gland. Historically, it has been reported that a glandless mutant was detected at one time, but is now lost. If THC is in the gland, and glandless mutants can be produced, it should then be possible to reduce significantly the THC content of the plant. Such a plant, with its low THC content, would be a potentially important strain for the industrial hemp industry.

... lots more ...
Im growing an outdoor seed crop this year so I can stop buying industrial hemp seeds, landrace cannabis seeds have a better omega ratio than industrial hemp and I’m not comfortable supporting the kind of research you just posted.
There should be a global boycott of this sort of thing but now the Scottish are looking into industrial hemp production the pollen contamination will make it impossible to grow medicinal cannabis here except out of season under lights.
 
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BudToaster

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Im growing an outdoor seed crop this year so I can stop buying industrial hemp seeds, landrace cannabis seeds have a better omega ratio than industrial hemp and I’m not comfortable supporting the kind of research you just posted.
There should be a global boycott of this sort of thing but now the Scottish are looking into industrial hemp production the pollen contamination will make it impossible to grow medicinal cannabis here except out of season under lights.
sorry. i don't get the issue. i haven't reread the study - i thought it just said THC decays with time.
 

H e d g e

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sorry. i don't get the issue. i haven't reread the study - i thought it just said THC decays with time.
Historically, it has been reported that a glandless mutant was detected at one time, but is now lost. If THC is in the gland, and glandless mutants can be produced, it should then be possible to reduce significantly the THC content of the plant. Such a plant, with its low THC content, would be a potentially important strain for the industrial hemp industry
Shouldn’t be supported imo.
 

HempKat

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Ethan was working for the dark side but has since reached the end of his agreement not to talk about the research he was doing there, he’s a very bright and well informed man and I believe well intentioned but like most of us has to pay the bills and the only people who can afford to have research done didn’t get their money being nice.
He was widely credited for the discovery of the entourage effect but claims to have only popularised it and introduced terpenes to the equation.

It’s very sad that Charlotte died and perhaps she would still be with us if she’d been given type one cannabis but prohibition propaganda and legal pressure has left parents in doubt as to its safety for those with developing brains.

The variety you see in the dispensary is all the same cannabinoids in different ratios, the interesting work is still being stifled.
Research into stronger agonists like thcp and landrace cannabis unpolluted by skunk og or hemp is what’s required but it will never happen.
Information re cbd was a carefully orchestrated propaganda campaign framed as word of mouth, we were told it was the medicinal cannabinoid, this could not be further from the truth.

If you can’t take Ethan’s word for it that there is nothing cbd can do that thc can’t do better then look at the way bedrocan is prescribed vs bedrolite, the latter is least often prescribed for the least number of conditions, bedrocan is most often prescribed for the most number of conditions. Cbd is only ever prescribed for those worried about or hoping to avoid the psychoactive effects of thc.

Ethan claims there is a biphasic dose response in the treatment of pain and you may find sublingual micro doses to be more effective than smoking a whole spliff, I’ve found the same as you, it distracts me from it but doesn’t completely take it away.

If you want to try cbn for sleep then just double the recommended cooking time for a type 1 (thc) plant, the effects become more sleepy the longer it’s cooked (decarboxylated).
With regard to Ethan don't get me wrong, my distrust of information from pharmaceutical companes, is from them as a whole. I don't have particular opinions of the researchers that work for them as they are likely just following directions. Now if a researcher was given free reign to do things as he/she saw fit and it appeared obvious that they were operating under a bias then I might condemn the researcher. To further clarify my position I wouldn't necessarily say I distrust all pharmaceutical companies. As with most things the devil is in the details and so to be fair you really have to know how they went about doing their research. Unfortunately for us, too often we aren't given all the information needed to properly judge the results and more often then not, the pharmaceutical companies tend to be misleading or don't fully disclose the information needed. Then again the average person on the street doesn't know how to analyze the data even if they were given all of it. The average person will believe whatever they are told as long as it's presented in a way that seems like the source of that information knows what they are talking about. Social Media is rife with all sorts of proof of this. To avoid controversey I won't give specific examples of this but you seem intelligent enough that I'm confident you've seen as much proof of this lack of critical thinking skills as I have.

I also wish to clarify my statement with regards to my own experience with Cannabis and pain relief. When I say I don't see any pain relief beyond the distracting effects of being high, I mean I don't see any. I just get high and I stop focusing on the pain as much as I would if I wasn't high. Which is to say I still feel the pain as much as ever but I care less that I'm feeling the pain. I've never experienced any pain med that fully gets rid of the pain unless the pain medicine is so potent that it renders one completely unconcious. In that case though I would say it's not possible to rate the pain relieving qualities because I don't consider being unconcious as pain relief. I mean it's posssible to be unconcious and yet still feeling the pain as much as if you didn't take anything. You're just not concious to be able to register the pain. I can see where some might think of that as pain relief though since a common side effect of pain is that it makes it difficult to sleep. To me, to rate pain relief the medcine needs to be able to reduce the pain yet leave the patient concious. I like to try to be fair though and so to be fair there are quite a few types of the stronger pain meds (Oxy Contin for example) that I've never tried. Which is fine by me because I've experienced satisfactory pain relief with much lower level of narcotics such as hydrocodone.

As far as Charlotte though, I too think it is very sad that she ended up passing I'm not sure that her death was a result of what type of cannabis she was given as much asss it was a result of the toll taken on her brain by the terrible number of seizures she suffered from daily for most of her life. The end result might have been the same no matter what she was taking at the end. I'm just happy that she had at least a small window of time where she was able to live a fairly normal life free of seizures. I'm also happy that her case brought cannabis as an effective treatment to light so that others might be able to get the same treatment sooner and thereby have a better prognosis. It is unfortunate though that parents do end up having to deal with the legal issues and propaganda that creates the safety concerns. Which of course is why I want to see much more indepth and unbiased research done because the safety concerns on developing brain is much the same as the poorly understood medicinal value. Which is to say it's all largely theoretical and of the studies that have been done many were done in unrealistic ways to draw the conclusions they did. I remember back in the 70's when a lot of the believed medical benefits were coming to light there were just as many studies being reported to day how bad cannabis was. One that stood out in my mind was a study where they were giving lab rats an extract of cannabis that was said that a single dose was supposedly the equivilent of a human smoking 20 joints. Now they did it that way to try to gettt an idea of the effects of long term use but condensed into a time frame that was practical for the study. I don't remember the exact finding but the bottomline was that it found that marijuana was harmful. I remember thinking, "well of course it was harmful, you gave a tiny animal extremely high concentrations that were not comparable to real world use with humans. Of course it was all written up in a way that seemed like it was all very scientific but unless you were comparing it to a group of humans that were smoking 20 joints of the same thing all at once then as far as I'm concerned the results were meaningless. That's not even factoring what changes if any were created by extracting the active ingredients of cannabis into a contrated for small enough to give to a rat that was equal to 20 joints. Nor was there anything in that study that seemed to consider they were studying an entirely different species any applying the conclusion to a different species whose only commonality was that they were both mammals. Clearly that study was bad or junk science designed entirely to arrive at a negative conclusion.

I would also like to see a very broad study done on many different strains because as you said, in what you find being given to medical marijuana patients are varieties of strains with mainly the same cannabinoids just in different strengths or concentrations from one another. How many times do you hear of a group of people that some found it to be effective medicine and some didn't. Are any studies factoring in that not all people have the same body chemistry? Are any studies factoring in the possibility that by playing with the percentages of multiple cannabinoids you might be able to obtain different medical benefits? I'm not suggesting that nobody has ever considered that but of most of the studies I've heard about the focus is just on one cannabinoid at a time. As I understand it there have been like 113 or so different cannabinoids that have been isolated from cannabis, yet when you look at the studies out there it seems like they've only focused on about 4 (THC, CBD, CBC and CBN) What if the medical benefits aren't just limited to one particular cannabinoid but rather the result of the right combination of many cannabinoids and how that effects the natural endo cannabinoid systems we are all born with but are likely unique to each of us? As if that wasn't enough you also have to factor in other elements such as the terepenes and flavinoids. My personal belief is that we've just barely scratched the surface of unlocking the full potential of cannabis as a medicine. That if we did a full and comprehensive study of cannabis we might discover that it truely is a miracle drug capable of treating all sorts of illnesses.
 

HempKat

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Shouldn’t be supported imo.
I don't get the need for such research in the first place there are already plenty of strains with virtually no THC content that are classified as hemp strains. If the goal is to produce better hemp plants it seems to me the focus shouldn't be on what cannabinoids are present and is it possible to have a hemp plant with no cannabinoids. Rather it should focus on creating strains that have more and/or stronger fibers running thru the plant since that's what is really being harvested from hemp plants.
 

H e d g e

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@HempKat i agree, it’s very sad that so much research is apparently designed to achieve a desired result or misreported if the results are not in keeping with the propaganda agenda.

I saw a study that supposedly proved cannabis didn’t increase efficacy in opioid pain relief, the study was conducted over 2 weeks.

They must have known that opioid sparing is something that happens when cannabis is combined with opium over a longer period preventing the need to increase the dose of opium in order to maintain the same level of efficacy.

It’s common knowledge, and why they designed the test over two weeks before the results would become apparent.
People die every day from prescribed opioids.

Although I also agree about pain relief vs distraction I think distraction of any kind is probably the best thing I’ve tried for pain.
I’ve had more than one colonoscopy with nothing but a Tetris app on the phone for pain relief and won’t accept the opium now when offered. Tetris is more effective imo.
 
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HempKat

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@HempKat i agree, it’s very sad that so much research is apparently designed to achieve a desired result or misreported if the results are not in keeping with the propaganda agenda.

I saw a study that supposedly proved cannabis didn’t increase efficacy in opioid pain relief, the study was conducted over 2 weeks.

They must have known that opioid sparing is something that happens when cannabis is combined with opium over a longer period preventing the need to increase the dose of opium in order to maintain the same level of efficacy.

It’s common knowledge, and why they designed the test over two weeks before the results would become apparent.
People die every day from prescribed opioids.

Although I also agree about pain relief vs distraction I think distraction of any kind is probably the best thing I’ve tried for pain.
I’ve had more than one colonoscopy with nothing but a Tetris app on the phone for pain relief and won’t accept the opium now when offered. Tetris is more effective imo.
They give opioids for colonoscopies? The ones I've had all they gave was a mild anesthesia that as they said put you in a twilight state. Now it could be there is pain involved and that mild anesthesia eliminated the pain but I'm not really sure since from the point the procedure was finished on, I experienced no pain. Then again they didn't find anything to biopsy so maybe the opioids are only for when they have to do some biopsies?

As for the interaction between cannabis and opioids, I know this is just my own anecdotal experience but I have experienced exactly what you describe when I smoke cannabis while taking opioids. That the cannabis seems to prolong the effectiveness of the opioids causing me to not need to take them as often. That in and of itself is a good reason for medical marijuana, just to reduce the amount of my harmful medications one might need.

What's best for pain is kind of an interesting thing in an of itself to study. I would say for most temporary pain (aches, bruises, minor cuts, etc.) there are all sorts of effective options because all you really need to do is get past the pain just long enough for some healing to have taken place. Long term, persistent chronic pain is rather different though. I can tough it out or white knuckle it thru most pain without taking anything as long as I can take my mind off of it. The long term persistent pain s different though, I might be able to take my mind off of it for a while but just one slight move in the wrong way and there the pain is, as glaring or irritating as ever. I can even deal with that for a brief time without any pain medication but since it's always there and my awareness of it keeps coming back, it wears on the mind and eventually can make people a bit crazy even suicidal. I know one person who was on dialysis who experience pain and other negative side effects from her dialysis. It eventually got to the point after a few years tthat she couldn't take the pain and nausea the dialysis caused her, such that one day she dtopped getting the dialysis and of course died shortly thereafter. So while I say it's best to avoid opioids whenever possible there are situations where it is appropriate just to keep one's sanity. Of course in the case of dialysis it's kind of tricky since most effecctive pain meds get removed from one's system by the dialysis itself.

Supposedly during the Biden administration it was looked into and everyone agreed it was appropriate to move cannabis from schedule one to schedule three. Although I just checked and on the DEA website they still indicate cannabis as schedule one. I hope they do finally get around to making that change as it's that scheduling that really blocks the serious research of cannabis from getting done. As schedule 3 that problem would be removed and maybe the research we all would like to see will eventually happen? It's insane to me that they have cannabis as schedule one which means there is no medical value at all. Yet for decades while it was on schedule one and during the height of the war on drugs there were a small group of people that actually had legal prescriptions for cannabis (long before Medical Marijuana became a reality) that was filled by the federal government. I'm not sure if any of those people are still alive because those prescriptions were held long enough that most of the people eventually died. So there may not be any left. The crazy paart though is that on one hand the federal government was/is saying that cannabis has no medical value and yet during that time the same federal government was growing and providing cannabis to those people to treat medical issues, some of them quite serious. You can't have it both ways. You can't say it has no medical value and yet at the same time provide it to people for medical treatment. It always puzzled me that over that time period of several decades nobody seem to make an issue over that discrepency.
 
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H e d g e

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They give opioids for colonoscopies? The ones I've had all they gave was a mild anesthesia that as they said put you in a twilight state
Not sure what they gave me for the first one but it left me feeling pretty weird, I guessed it was an opioid of some sort. I’ve been refusing it since then.

I got the idea for computer game distraction from someone with 90% burns over his whole body, they had him on every opioid in the hospital but still couldn’t do any physio because of the pain from his skin cracking.
They gave him a computer game throwing snowballs at penguins and immediately he was able to come off the pain killers and could get through all the physio he needed.

I tried it with toothache waiting for an emergency dentist and it was amazing, no pain at all in the game but as soon as the options came up between games the unbearable throbbing pain immediately came back. It worked so well I’ve been refusing pain killers ever since.
 

BudToaster

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my most recent, and last, colonoscopy was on Propofol - very pleasant, no hangover whatsoever afterward. spouse likes it too.
 

HempKat

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Not sure what they gave me for the first one but it left me feeling pretty weird, I guessed it was an opioid of some sort. I’ve been refusing it since then.

I got the idea for computer game distraction from someone with 90% burns over his whole body, they had him on every opioid in the hospital but still couldn’t do any physio because of the pain from his skin cracking.
They gave him a computer game throwing snowballs at penguins and immediately he was able to come off the pain killers and could get through all the physio he needed.

I tried it with toothache waiting for an emergency dentist and it was amazing, no pain at all in the game but as soon as the options came up between games the unbearable throbbing pain immediately came back. It worked so well I’ve been refusing pain killers ever since.
Interesting and perhaps that too is something that needs to be researched more. Another application that I found distracting the mind to work well is withdraw to things you're addicted to. Not so much the physiological symptoms of withdraw but specifically the cravings. I found that when I was trying to quit cigarettes it helped me a lot to work on cross word puzzles or do a couple of different crafting hobbies I do that typically involve hours of tideous work that requires great concentration. Model building or paint by numbers sets would be good examples. The computer games didn't work so well for me because over the years of playing games like Grand Theft Auto for hours, I had come to associate smoking with the game. So in that instance playing the game actually made my cravings worse. Normally I would light up a cigarette about every 20-30 minutes but with the crafting hobbies I found I could go for hours without wanting to light up.
 

HempKat

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my most recent, and last, colonoscopy was on Propofol - very pleasant, no hangover whatsoever afterward. spouse likes it too.
I'm not sure if that's what they used on me but there is a good chance it is because when I looked it up it specifical mentioned that it has been found to be very effective for colonoscopies. The thing that makes me unsure though is that they told me it is just to put me into a twilight state (not fully sedated but just on the edge of being completely under). When I read the decription of Propofol though, it sounds more like it puts you totally under since they also said it's a good choice for people that need to be put on a ventilator. Which requires full sedation to keep the patient from having a negative reaction to the ventilator. To be honest though I wonder about them saying it would put me into a twilight state because I never have any memories of the colonoscopy. I've been told I was given a drug to put me in a twilight state when I've had a stent placed in my heart and in that case I felt very sedated but I also remember being concious through the whole procedure.
 

BudToaster

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i had a sigmoidoscopy done using IV valium - that was a twilight sleep for me - i can remember groaning several times but that's all.
 

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