Hermies, seeds and panic!

[Guest]

I just got a phone call from a friend. He is in panic mode.

He just discovered his room is full of seeds and some plants have hermied. I'm not there to take a look and he is pretty far away. I asked him to borrow a camera and take some pics. For now I only have some info over the phone.

There seems to be some conflicting signs from what he is telling me. I'll pass them on and see what kind of theories you can come up with. I may have those pics tonight and post them.

He only just discovered the Purple Kush in his room going hermie. He has 200 of them and it is just them that are sprouting little flower petals. He says he sees no pollen.

The other half of his room is Hash Plant. No hermies but all are developing seeds. The seeds are getting hard already he says.

Now, I'm under the idea that for the seeds to be this developed that they may have come into contact with pollen a few weeks ago. His Veg room upstairs did have a few plants from seed but they were female. He killed them shortly after receiving them and after taking clone samples of each. He says he saw no hermies or male flowers and they had always been under 24H.

So he has one strain hermied and seeded and the other strain just seeded.

I'm thinking that he may of had some undetected hermies weeks ago that spread pollen?

Here's the questions?

What would do this to the PK?

Light leaks? He says not.

Ferts? Did he mix something up wrong a few times when he was drunk and stoned?

He went on a trip and had some complications weeks ago. He got back to a room that had some plants wilting(grows in soil). He watered heavily.

Any other ideas?

 

[Guest]

I'm thinking that he may of had some undetected hermies weeks ago that spread pollen?

Here's the questions?

What would do this to the PK?

Light leaks? He says not.

Ferts? Did he mix something up wrong a few times when he was drunk and stoned?

He went on a trip and had some complications weeks ago. He got back to a room that had some plants wilting(grows in soil). He watered heavily.

Any other ideas?

Hermi's weeks ago - Yea I think you're right, especially if he is seeing seeds, as they take weeks to develop. He should have (if watching) been able to nail down the day they were pollinated as the hairs will immediately begin to die back.

What would cause this - Light leaks, high nute doses, irregular light cycles (turning on the lights early, odd hours, etc), seeds can carry the hermi gene, lastly hermi hormone sprays.

Ferts/Drunk - Possibly, but he would be able to tell they had nute burn.

When he went on his trip, did his power go out for any period of time? If it did that could easily alter the day/eve period...but one time seems odd that it would cause the hermi.

 

[Guest]

OK, I have a few updated details.

I'll address your post first...

You may not get nute burn if you simply mix up your ferts but manage to keep the PPM's in check. With that being said, I did see some suspicious leaves here and there that possibly could have been nute burn when I was there a week ago.

If his power was out while he was gone throwing the system off he would have noticed by now.

It turns out that it's not *ALL* the PK that hermied, just a handful in the mid area of his room where no light could possibly enter. It would have to come in through the entrance at the front of the room. Scratch that possibilty.

He says the flowers are spent and the plants in that particular area are seeded the most indicating that this is in fact the source of pollen some weeks ago.

This leaves us with a couple of probable conclusions I think.

1) These hermied plants may have been taken from a mother that has a defect or was stressed at the time. The PK clones were purchased.

2) Stress at the location caused these hermies.

If it's 2), what are we looking at? Could his room reaching the critical point of lack of water during that trip induce this? The age of the seeds would put it in that time frame.

Ferts? He is using a new feeding program. He may be mixing a tad strong or mixed up grow and bloom?

It's hard to tell over the phone. He seems to want to avoid any conclusions that possibly make it a mistake by him. I've been getting contradicting answers about what he may have done.

 

[Guest]

We are now trying to figure out when the pollination occurred to maybe get to the bottom of what set these fuckers off.

If it was from him letting things dry out too much then that would be 14 days ago. He says the seeds are getting hard and they even found a dark hard one already. His plants are at 5.5 weeks of flower.

Could these seeds be that developed in 14 days?

He says it was actually 4 plants that were all beside each other.

I'm a bit worried now myself because I have about 60 plants in my room that came from this same source but at 30 days all looks good. I just did a plant to plant inspection.

 

[Guest]

Well I'm not sure but any sort of stress can cause hermies so I do think if there weren't other factors that it was when the plants dried out that caused them to herm. Two weeks sounds about enough time for seeds to develop, usually it only takes 3-4 weeks for beans to fully mature so in a couple weeks they could be most of the way towards finished.

 

[Guest]

I think possibly the plants in my room are starting to seed.

I've noticed over the last week some hair turning orange and now I see some just falling out.

I've gone through everything and I'm seeing some seed pods form on the most developed buds. I've opened some and there is a small green seed starting.

I've looked everywhere but can not find any male flowers on anything.

I'm praying I'm being paranoid but I know what I'm seeing means dud seeds at the very least.

 

[Blackvelvet]

I've gone through everything and I'm seeing some seed pods form on the most developed buds. I've opened some and there is a small green seed starting.

I've looked everywhere but can not find any male flowers on anything.

Male flowers can be hidden in the buds.

 

[Guest]

Yeah, I know....

I'm hoping I'm just ending up with some clusters of duds that will be manageable during the trim. The prospect is grim with how it turned out with my friend.

I have to say, the buds are loaded with crystal and putting on bulk at the very least what I consider an average.

Is it possible to end up with mature looking seeds without pollination? I don't think so myself but thought I'd throw that out there.

It appears not every strain in my room is doing this. It also appears that it's all the clones from the same source(at this point). Things may develop on the other stuff in time.

The plot thickens.....

 

[Blackvelvet]

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