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help with sick clones

Shliite

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Alright so this is my first time taking clones and after 5 days of rooting they dont look very healthy. There are 5 clones. Three came from outside and two from inside. The three outdoor cuttings consist of 2 Northern Lights x Big Bud, and 1 either sweet warp or papaya (im not exactly sure due to some mix ups). The two that came from inside are K2. All the cuts were taken and immediately submerged into a gallon bag of distilled water until i could get home (which for a few clones could have been for over an hour).

When i got home i cut at a 45 degree angle under water and dipped into dip 'n grow liquid rooting concentrate (mixed properly of course). The clones were then placed into rockwool cubes which had been soaking in distilled water for a few hours.

I have two clear plastic cups stacked on top of each other as my makeshift humidity dome. I've been misting a couple times a day on the fan leaves and in the 'dome' to keep things humid. Temps are around 75 but fluctuate. Lighting consists of two 32(?)w daytime fluorescents at 24/7. pH of the water is about 6.0-6.5.

For the first 3 days of rooting I was not around, so i had a friend of mine taking care of them. He misted regularly but when i got back home to look at them i noticed there was a half inch of water in the bottom of the cup, thus soaking the rockwool. I guess i forgot to telll him there should be no standing water. my fault. so i dumped the water out and gently squeezed the rockwool cubes to drain excess water. Now at day 5 this is what they look like. Only one of the cuts is tall enough to stick out of the bottom cup (the light yellow looking nlxbb)

I also noticed that a couple of the stems are not very sturdy in the rockwool and can wiggle around when tipped at an angle. Should i take them out try a new cube to get a more snug fit or hope it roots and takes care of itself?












 
G

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Welp first off - ya know the water in the bottom was a very bad thing. Causes dampening and stem rot.

But truthfully, 5 days 'rooting' is not much. Sure, some guys get a clone to root in 5 days but personally mine usually get em in more like 10-14 days. Give em time, be patient, keep the RW almost dry and they'll pull through...
 

Shliite

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thanks for the quick responses klutter and guerilla.

im not concerned that they havent rooted in 5 days- i was expecting at least a week. i was just worried about their condition and any remedies that may be beneficial. would adding a couple drops of superthrive to my foliage spray help? and should i clip some more fan leaves on the bigger clones or would that be useless at this point?

heres a couple pics of the k2's mama.





 
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Ganja Guerrilla

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I clip my leaves so that plant doesnt have difficulty trying to maintain it without roots the first day or so

I have not used SUPERthrive in foliar spray, but it does help the wilting leaves with the vitamin B1 complex it contains, my clones stay erect & healthier using it
 

Shliite

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hmm so you are using soil... so the superthrive would be added when watering. how would i add superthrive to my cuts in rockwool? i assume i would have to mix it with water and dampen the rockwool with it but not soak it. its just drying from being soaked so i dont think i'll be adding it for another day or so..
thx again for the help
 

Endo

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those leaves are pretty yellow, how close is the light to the plants.. with cloning you want them pretty far away.. to close and they will photosyntha.. .whatever faster and eat up all the reserves stored in the leaves instead of trying to root. they will try and grow up instead of making roots. its a little late now.. but doing what ganja gorilla said and cliping the leaves back a little is a very good idea and has helped me on occasion.


good luck

Endo
 
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Shliite

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they are about 10 inches away from the lights because its a tiny cab. i'll clip some and see what happens... also i'll turn one of the CFLs off so there is just 1 32w daylight instead of two...
thanks for the help
 

Shliite

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6 days of rooting... these are from a few minutes ago. i clipped some fan leaves yesturday and turned off one of the CFLs. still looking pretty bad. are they going to make it? the last pic is the one that wobbles around a lot in the rockwool but is very delicate and may possibly have a bent stem just above the medium.
(sorry some of the pics didnt come out well and im mising one)







 

est1977

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Clones always look shitty before they look good 10-14 days is the norm unless you have an areoponic clone machine be patient
 

aligee

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i suggest anti-wilt,you can get this from your local hydro store. from my experience this is like life insurance for your cuttings will prevent them from wilting and releasing precious
moisture from within which is very important. just follow instructions on bottle and you should be good.also in the future soak your rw in liquid karma about a day, squeeze excess water dip clones in rooting hormone, i use olivias clone gel,and stick in cubes and
give em at least 10 to 14 days and you will get nice fuzzy roots good luck.
 

Shliite

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Today is the 8th day of rooting and the clones are looking worse every day. I discovered the mother of my Papaya/SW is a male, so it got yanked (it was the healthiest looking one too). The two K2 clones look alright, but i accidently turned one of them on their side when trying to place it back into the cup, which may have stressed a little bit. The stem was firmly in place so im hoping it didnt do too much damage. The one NLxBB that had a bent stem near the base is not looking like its going to make it. And the last NLxBB dropped one of its two remaining fan leaves today when it got misted. :cuss:


K2


K2 (the one that got tipped)


NLxBB (the one i dont think will make it with the bent stem)




NLxBB




I was really banking on these clones... if they dont make it i wont be able to start my grow on time which could really screw me in the long run :badday:
 
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est1977 said:
Clones always look shitty before they look good 10-14 days is the norm unless you have an areoponic clone machine be patient

If your clones always look shitty before rooting then there are problems you need to address.

I don't think this is helping the topic starter.
 
G

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Shliite,

It may be possible that the person that looked after those for you may have goofed up some how. It doesn't sound like you've done anything wrong so far from what you have stated.

Are you also PHing the water you mist with?

Sometimes there is such a climate change when you bring clones in from outdoors that they really struggle. Are the better clones from the indoor mothers?
 

Shliite

Member
It may be possible that the person that looked after those for you may have goofed up some how.

ya, like i said in my initial post he must have sprayed a lot because there was about a quarater inch of standing water at the bottom of each cup, soaking the rockwool. This is from me coming home 3 days after taking the cut... so they couldnt have been soaking the whole time.

Are you also PHing the water you mist with?
I just checked the pH and its about 6.2. I believe when i mixed it I put the pH at about 5.5-6.

Are the better clones from the indoor mothers?
The K2's are from inside and the NLxBB are from outside. I'd say the K2s looked better, but i'd expect that because the NLxBB have been struggling outside.
 

Shliite

Member
:fsu: well ... damn. The clones are turning all sorts of pretty colors, but im pretty sure thats a bad thing. I have been misting regularly and keeping the rockwool damp but not too wet. The temps have gotten a little higher in the past few days so the cab is probably around 90 (my thermometer broke, im gonna get a new one in a bit and confirm this) [just checked and its 86]. Im guessing the new brown leaves on the K2s are the result of the high temps... but i dont know what else to do. I started germing a few seeds just in case because im getting a bad feeling about these clones. Could they be struggling because i only soaked the rockwool in distilled water instead of in a pHed solution of 4-4.5? Any help would be appreciated... i realize they are probably not going to make it but it'd be nice to know for the next time around.

day 10 'rooting'








p.s. if someone from this thread sent me a pm, i cant read it because of the 50 post rule.
 
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Shliite

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i just read somewhere that squeezing the rockwool cubes is bad. can someone elaborate on this? i squeezed my rockwool to drain excess water when they were too wet.
 

MynameStitch

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what are you using for light incandescents bulbs???

The yellowing is from the plant not rooting quickly enough and it is using its reserves..... I would be shocked to see if that still rooted....... it's got nitrogen and phosphorus issues.... I never rooted in rockwool I have rooted in peat pucks not harder to root in rockwool.....

also do you have a dome over it? a dome is easier to use with a mid level moisture, but without a dome it's harder to do but you can still root without one, each strain is different to rooting......
 

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