Help, This one is a tuff one

[dr_green]

Ok I posted earlier, but there's no beggining or anything like that. I really can't figure out, what's wrong. I want to put her into flowering in a couple of weeks, but this putting me back now. I don't want her to die to. Well I put up pictures.

Well here's her background:

I planted her from a bagseed. For her first week she endured so little sunshine due to overcast days. Then the next weekend, she ended up at my buddies house with his plant. of course mofo put his plant in the light and my plant next to it, with the light all blocked out and shit from his plant. So I pick it up and it's more fucked up. So I purchase warm white cfls and ran that for a week and then found out that cool white is actually better for veg. So i went out and bought a dual cfl cool white bulbs. She was planted in just plain potting soil, no drainage material just potting soil, with the holes in the pots. The light was about 3" away from her with a fan blowing on her. so she started to grow, then I overwatered her. didn't know what the hell was going on and continued to water. back then when i watered i did a real big no no. I know its fucked up but, I would water her and then the run off water I would put it right back into her. I know that's probably really bad. But that kept on until I bought the big bloom, which was a couple of weeks ago. So that's pretty much 8weeks of toture and stupidity. But anyways, when the days of the CFL I had her in a 1.5 L pot. When the cabinet was done I transplanted her into the rectangular pot with Fox Farm Ocean Forest Mix. When I started to grow her in the cabinet I am running a 400W HPS CMH bulb. Had computer fans for vent. Here's the cabinet story: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=79016
Then I started to use some nutes when I seen her first signs of a female. I was giving her just Fox Farm Grow Big, what ever the directions says on the bottle. She seemed to love them, but I continued to do the stupid repouring of the runoff water back into her pot. Anyways, after a week or so, she started to show leaves twisting and shit. Man scariest shit I seen, as I thought. But I then bought Big Bloom because I found out that for Fox Farm your supposed to be using the Grow Big and Big Bloom together. But since the plant was twisting I just fed her Big Bloom, and she started to get better by perking up but not solving the twist. I bought a PH and moisture meter thing and found out that my ph was at 7. Which is high. After a week of feeding her just Big Bloom her new shoots would start curling. So I gave her a good flush and brought her level down to 6.5 PH, but the next day I found that her ph then went up to 6.7. Don't know how that happened. But anyways the next week I gave her regular water for a week. Then she started to curl but not at the tips but the side of the leaves would roll inwards looking like a doob. Shit's fucked up and I don't know what symptom is this. But I read on Fox Farm website, that once there is signs of flowering, you should be using the Fox Farm Tiger Bloom. So I went to get it. I watered her the day before, but it wasn't a real good watering so the moisture meter read that it was at moist but, it was on the last tick to be dry. So I gave her half the strength of Tiger Bloom and Big Bloom. I watered her with it, and didn't use the run off water. After a couple of hours, she showed signs of over watering. So I aerated her pot by poking holes in the soil and found out there are some roots that are on the top part of the dirt which is fucked up. It should be in the soil not on top. So that questioned me if the pot is to small. But now it's been about 2 days from her watering w/ the tiger and big blooms. I guess I should water them with regular water?

anybody know's what's wrong?

 

[dr_green]

bump, anybody? please help????

 

[Endo]

its not quite an over fert but ive had this happen to me with the fox farm grow big. heres what is probably happening. when your watering your plant pot and roots are probably very dry. this is a problem with the ff grow big. i had this happen a while ago and a friend called FF for me and they told him: they see this all the time. what they recommend is to water your plant with clean water first. let it soak in about 10-15 min and then rewater again with the ff grow big. even though its supposed to be organic, the FF will burn up the roots in dry soil. you best bet is to run a good amt of fresh water through your soil. and then again. after that resume your feeding at 1/4 strenght for the week then move up to half strength. but dont fert dry soil. it will save you alot of headache with the FF. the grow big on its own is fine to use without the bloom just dont over do it.

i know this is your problem. and you were lucky mine turned way ugly.

 

[dr_green]

its not quite an over fert but ive had this happen to me with the fox farm grow big. heres what is probably happening. when your watering your plant pot and roots are probably very dry. this is a problem with the ff grow big. i had this happen a while ago and a friend called FF for me and they told him: they see this all the time. what they recommend is to water your plant with clean water first. let it soak in about 10-15 min and then rewater again with the ff grow big. even though its supposed to be organic, the FF will burn up the roots in dry soil. you best bet is to run a good amt of fresh water through your soil. and then again. after that resume your feeding at 1/4 strenght for the week then move up to half strength. but dont fert dry soil. it will save you alot of headache with the FF. the grow big on its own is fine to use without the bloom just dont over do it.

i know this is your problem. and you were lucky mine turned way ugly.

Thanks, but I'm using Tiger Bloom, now. For the Fox Farm chart, I'm past the vegetative state, so I'm feeding her Tiger Bloom. All these problems actually came about that time also. But since Tiger Bloom says, to use that once you see signs of flower. So that's why I'm using Tiger Bloom. So I suppose it would be the same for the Tiger Bloom, to wet the soil first and then feed her with 1/4 stregnth? DO I NEED TO FLUSH HER? IT'S NOT SALT BUILD UP? JUST WONDERING? thanks man

 

[Endo]

i would flush just in case. but i would imagine that the tiger bloom has the same problems just not as bad cuase it doesnt contain as much nitrogen. but i would give it a good flush b4 you resume feeding. pretty much with any fert, you should feed 1/2 of the manufacturs recommended dose. most of the time full strength anything will burn. start small and build up.

 

[dr_green]

I hope she can recover so I can put her into her flowering stage

I hope she can recover so I can put her into her flowering stage

i would flush just in case. but i would imagine that the tiger bloom has the same problems just not as bad cuase it doesnt contain as much nitrogen. but i would give it a good flush b4 you resume feeding. pretty much with any fert, you should feed 1/2 of the manufacturs recommended dose. most of the time full strength anything will burn. start small and build up.

Ok thanks, how many times do I flush her for? Just one day and then feed her 1/2 strength on the same day? Or do I flush her throughout the week for everytime she needs a watering? I never really understood what the real definition of Flushing. Please help?! thanks

 

[Endo]

run water through the pot till its saturated and running out the bottom. you wanna put at least 3x the amt of water to size of the pot. so if its a one gallon pot, you need 3 gallons of water and so forth. this is not the flushing done at the end of flower. the one at the end of flower is done with clear clean water for 7-14 days b4 harvest to get the plant to use up the remaining nutes. in your case. run a good amt of water through the pot, let it drain and return to your room. wait a few days it should be ready to water again. that is when you start the 1/4 ferts and start going up from there. watering too often will lead to overwatering problems,and slow growth.

good luck

 

[dr_green]

run water through the pot till its saturated and running out the bottom. you wanna put at least 3x the amt of water to size of the pot. so if its a one gallon pot, you need 3 gallons of water and so forth. this is not the flushing done at the end of flower. the one at the end of flower is done with clear clean water for 7-14 days b4 harvest to get the plant to use up the remaining nutes. in your case. run a good amt of water through the pot, let it drain and return to your room. wait a few days it should be ready to water again. that is when you start the 1/4 ferts and start going up from there. watering too often will lead to overwatering problems,and slow growth.

good luck

Does the water have to be a certain PH level, cause my tap water is at 6.7 to 6.0 PH? thanks

 

[Endo]

nah your soil should have buffers, and stuff. and actually 6.0-.67 is a good ph level. you will be fine.

 

[dr_green]

thanks man, I hope this works, I'll be crossing my fingers on this one.

 

[dr_green]

holy shit, lunch break heartattack.

holy shit, lunch break heartattack.

nah your soil should have buffers, and stuff. and actually 6.0-.67 is a good ph level. you will be fine.

How long can I leave my plant dry for, like a matter of hours or days? Only because when I went home for lunch I noticed all her leaves were drooping. She needs a watering pretty bad. I hope I can go back to her after work and she still is going to be okay. I have about a hour a half more till work is done.

 

[MynameStitch]

For FFOF soil 6.5 to 6.7 is fine.

You are overwatering them, the curling leaves on the top is telling you too much water is sitting in the bottom of the pot for them.

How often were you watering?
You are also showing a magneisum deficiency. Are you using any nutes besides the bloom? WHat is the dosage you are giving them and how often? If you give too much phosphorus you will lock out zinc and it looks like the plants may just be starting too do so.

 

[dr_green]

For FFOF soil 6.5 to 6.7 is fine.

You are overwatering them, the curling leaves on the top is telling you too much water is sitting in the bottom of the pot for them.

How often were you watering?
You are also showing a magneisum deficiency. Are you using any nutes besides the bloom? WHat is the dosage you are giving them and how often? If you give too much phosphorus you will lock out zinc and it looks like the plants may just be starting too do so.

Do you think they may be root bound because my current rectangular pot has two drainage hole only. I drilled holes on the side and found that the roots are on the bottom, some roots are on the top as well. WHen I was flushing her yesterday a big ass root came exposed, but didn't seem damaged so I coverded it quickly with soil. I think she may be root bout, and I'm thinking all these def. are from this.
Another thing could be her pot. It has sort of like a reservoir on the sides around. The water sits in those areas I think causing the overwatering, since the roots have reached there well and beyond they are getting affected by the remaining water after the watering. I'm going to repot her into a much larger pot so, I think I will be able to avoid all this crap.

I really appreciate your help, and actually I was waiting to see if you were going to comment. But thanks, and hopefully this will make her much better. Please let me know if this will be ok. or sounds right thanks!!!

 

[MynameStitch]

That could be a problem easily, since the plant has to root out sideways.... You are going to have a hard time getting that into a pot, you will have to trim the rootball if you do....

Do not put her into a too large of a pot, you want 1 foot tall plants for 1 gallon size pot minimum, putting her into a too large of a pot is bad and can contribute to over watering and slower growth.

 

[dr_green]

That could be a problem easily, since the plant has to root out sideways.... You are going to have a hard time getting that into a pot, you will have to trim the rootball if you do....

Do not put her into a too large of a pot, you want 1 foot tall plants for 1 gallon size pot minimum, putting her into a too large of a pot is bad and can contribute to over watering and slower growth.

Yes, thanks I did transplant her today, and she was rootbound. I put her in a 14" size pot, not to sure on how many gallons that is, but it is kind of large. Is this too big? If so, if I transplant I will have to trim her root ball even smaller then it is. Should I leave her in the same pot, or transplant her into like a 12" pot(this what I got around the house that's why)? I just don't want to give her too much stress that's why. Thanks Stitch!!! Here's some pic's of the new pot and some of my week old Runt J. clones.

 

[MynameStitch]

Nope that pot size is fine, I will be keeping watch on this one, how much root ball did you trim on her?

 

[dr_green]

Nope that pot size is fine, I will be keeping watch on this one, how much root ball did you trim on her?

I had to cut off about 1/5 of her root ball, since I couldn't fit the whole root rectangle(ball) in the pot. Man, I feel so stupid. I tried everything but didn't realize my girl was living uncomfortably. I hope the amount of root I cut off is ok? But I gave her a good soaking of Superthrive right after the transplant. So far, she looks the same. Hopefully I'll see some grow progress soon. I'll try to post pictures on the daily. Thanks Stitch!!!!



The big clone on the left side has her first large root coming out of the peat pellet. I'm so excited. Can't wait to plant her and let her join her mother. Other clones show no roots yet.

 

[MynameStitch]

How much is a good soaking??
I hope ya did not use too much.....

Normally 1 to 2 drops per gallon of water.....

As long as you c ut the root ball clean without ripping roots, like if you cut the root ball but you end up pulling out roots in the area ytou did not cut, that is bad.
You want a nice clean cut around and if you do it quickly and clean you will not have any problems.

Using superthrive and vitamin stuff is great after something like that.
WHat did you use to cut the root ball? Was it sanitized before using it?

Glad I could of be of some assistance.

 

[dr_green]

How much is a good soaking??
I hope ya did not use too much.....

Normally 1 to 2 drops per gallon of water.....

As long as you c ut the root ball clean without ripping roots, like if you cut the root ball but you end up pulling out roots in the area ytou did not cut, that is bad.
You want a nice clean cut around and if you do it quickly and clean you will not have any problems.

Using superthrive and vitamin stuff is great after something like that.
WHat did you use to cut the root ball? Was it sanitized before using it?

Glad I could of be of some assistance.

shit r u serious, ah I fucked up again then!! agghhhh I just cut it with a saw, because I cut the whole pot and root ball together. Did I just fuck up majorly? I hope not. I want some product out of her that's why. I spent so much time and money on her that's why. I hope she'll pull through!!!! right now she's still fight the overwatering damage and I don't know how long that takes also. couple weeks or so? Well let me know what else, I'm doing wrong or just comment. thanks Stitch and ICMAG

 

[dr_green]

I also wanted to add that my new shoots and leaves are pretty messed up from all that stress, and I was wondering if I should top her just so I can get good new shoots to grow, but will this make my main cola's smaller? Let me know if you guys think this is a good idea?