Help me understand correlation between soil amount and plant yield.

[Guest]

Bigger pot + longer veg time = more bud!
Everytime.

peAce, Willie

 

[Guest]

We,ll just forget what you said then skeletor

 

[GMT]

Anyone gonna post their results to compare the formula?

 

[Guest]

so skeletor,a cutting vegged for a week in a small pot is gonna be just the same as a cutting vegged for a week in a big pot,???nope

 

[Guest]

finished product

 

[Guest]

One of the keys to greatest final output of a strain from a certain size container will be examining the root structure when its ready for flower. If that plant has used the majority of that container, and you dont transplant up or double pot, you will have limited the final output by not allowing continued root growth during flower. This is critical for final output.

Obviously different strains have different pot size requirements, so you really get a feel for the pot size when you have grown a strain over and over.

When my indica plant size is in the 3 foot range I go 1qt to 2 gallon to 4 gallon max and have tremendous results. If my sativa plant is 6 foot or more I go 1qt to 2 gallon to 5 gallon or more.

Try the double potting method if you can and you will be happy with what you see!!!

 

[Xtbudda]

I use to use 2 gal pots mostly and occasionally tried 5gal. I found with the 5 gal, it was never utilized. I found this 3gal ice cream container in someones garbage once and i used it. It seemed whatever clone/strain i put in that one container yielded better than the 2 gals and more than 5 gal results.

But I really think the key here is the height of the pot. This pot is tall and narrower and i think that has a bearing on it. Once i had one in 5weeks go retarded hermie and i yanked it. It was a nice size and when I pulled it out of the container, to look at the roots, you could feel the difference in soil temp throught the soil, meaning hotter towards top and cooler at bottom. Now in the same setup, if i pulled a 2gal, it would not have that cooler bottom end........ AND it makes ya wonder.

 

[Guest]

It should be pretty obvious that you can yield more bud from a 3 gallon than a 2 gallon pot of the same strain,vegging for a week in a pot too large for the plant is wrong anyway,always start in a small container like 4 inch unles you want your roots growing out of the drain holes.As for airier buds with bigger containers?My blockhead buds sure arent airier when finished in 3 gal as opposed to two,thats twilight zone shit bro.

 

[Xtbudda]

I guess i should have explained it better, with the height. Even comparing it, to a not as tall wide 3 gal. the taller one, has better root production and growth.

I know about the Blockhead, Is there such thing as an airey Blockhead, i mean that shit is rock solid. I got 2 seeds left of a freebie 5pack.

 

[southpaw]

Here's a question. If a plant is vegged in a 1 gallon (6x6x7 square) for roughly 4 weeks, and the roots have filled out the pot but are not rootbound (i.e. no soil left between the roots) is it worth it to replant into a 2 gallon for flower? In other words, will a plant double its root mass over a 60 day flowering period? Of course this is a general question, different strain will obviously have different growth patterns.

I ask because last run I flowered in 2.5 gallon pots, and the roots didn't come anywhere close to filling out the containers, even after a six-week veg period.

 

[Guest]

southpaw
First off, I believe that 4 weeks veg is a rather short period when growing from seed, and around 6 weeks is more reasonalble for the indica I grow, (sativa a different story).

IMO, definately yes it is worth potting into the larger container for flower. You talked about the roots filling out the pot but not rootbound, thats the ideal time to transplant or double pot, before they get rootbound and growth is stunted or slowed.
I do agree that the roots do not always fill the final pot completely everytime during flower, but the roots will continue to spread and the plants do benefit.

The benefits of going into the fresh soil for flower seem obvious, and the growth spurts you get from this are amazing. I have been doing it this way for over 25 years and I get very consistant results.



You have to know one thing though. I always think I have seen it all, but then I will see something new and my mind will change. Thats why I love these forums so I can continually learn and tweak my setup for improvement. I get great creative ideas from reading these threads and much thanks to all the people here.

Tester

 

[Guest]

I'd definately transplant up a size when I go to flower.The first 3 weeks or so of 12/12 will have explosive root growth,remember when the plant is stretching above ground its doing the same below ground.After 3 weeks or a month of 12/12 there will be little if any root growth

 

[inflorescence]

when the plant is stretching above ground its doing the same below ground.

I have the feeling, and have read but have no scientific proof as the basis that a plant can sense it's root size AND root shape and literally try to mold its canopy after that size and shape. (do root tips send out auxins like apical meristems in order to control heigth?) But there is the chicken or the egg thing because the same goes for the canopy size and shape relating to its root ball.

So my question is, if one wanted to control stretch to keep the canopy more compact during stretch yet still allow an up-pot in order to maximize size how beneficial would it be to transplant into a squat container at flip as compared to a tall narrow container.

Xtbudda touched on this but I'm interested in not only controlling the size of the plant by up-potting but also the shape as it's up potted as well.
Would this be a good way to control a lanky sativa?

 

[Guest]

Great question inflorescence.
I would love to find out the answer to that one also. Indoor sativa growing is much more difficult than indica, and I keep them under control by cutting down on veg time.

I grow with 1000w systems and it doesnt take long to get a nice little bush that grows into a 5 foot plus monster. I have the headroom for my winter grows but I do cab grows also that can get out of control without constant work.

So if tailoring pot dimensions to aid in controlling sativa height and not affecting yield is possible I would like to hear about it.

 

[Xtbudda]

I know I seen a difference with clones grown in tall 3gals verses short squat ones and have collected quite a few, as they are free from this one juice/ice cream place.
I will get the measurements soon, as it seems taller than other 3gals I have seen.
My off the wall thinking is that the plant benefits from being able to go deeper with its roots. There might not be a layer of roots at bottom sometimes, but i have noticed like small feeler roots.

 

[Guest]

What you dont want is your tap root being given t"too much"space,thats how you get airy bud(when yuor lighting requirements are met),hence smaller pots..

 

[Guest]

"Airy buds if given too much space"?Taproot on a full grown flowering plant?I'll have to mark all this down in my book of knowledge lol.Seriously man I just dont see the logic in anything that you've said.

 

[inflorescence]

The interesting thing is in the thread about bonsai moms Oldtimer1 was adament about removing the tap root root from the starter plug so to encourage the finer feeder roots. Maybe if the tap root is removed at every succesive up-pot then this would affect the shape of the canopy just as much as container shape.

 

[Guest]

Am trying to think of a way to put it into written word.This is why im telling you them pots are way too big(without sounding like a smartass).2ltr pot accomodates a 3oz plant,keeping it nice a short(shorter than it would have been,if it had been in a bigger pot)Letting your taproot to have too much space to wander makes the plant stretch accordingly,less controlable.Topping is a good idea if you have too large a pot,tho if its way too large,nothins gonna help it.Dunno about you mate,but i can tell,by smell alone if a plants been grew in too big a pot,always has the same smell/taste in the background.Smoking some sour d right now thats been done in too big a pot(organic soil),gets you wasted,just not as tasty/smelly as my hydro.So anyways,personally i beleive that the pots your using are way too big,aint knocking you mate,not for a second,only passing on info you might like to try. ps,the scientic jargon for itall is outta my remit,hope you understand my rant

 

[GMT]

Hehe, anyone want to tell Growdoc his pots are too big to be good for his plants?