Help, I think it might be Mag def and Zinc def

[GrizzleB]

I had this problem a couple times in veg, couldnt ever figure it out. I do know when fed they seemed to perk up, the twisting, curling under leaves always annoyed me though, I always wanted to know wtf was causing it. Good luck!

 

[MynameStitch]

Dr. Green, reason why her water retention is high is because if you put a small plant into a big pot you are putting water in an area where there is no roots, people do this to make roots grow and stretch out to find water, this is fine, but for smaller plants it's not, smaller plants can't recover as quickly from like bigger plants can when they are in too wet of soil.

good rule to follow is 1 foot tall plants per 1 gallon size pot minimum.

Your issue is not being locked out, but rather an over abundance of nitrogen, too much nitrogen will cause twisty distorted growths, claw affect and dark green plants.

Now since there is more than one plant we are talking about here, it's going to get confusing. The smaller plant clone, was those leaves yellowing before you put it in that soil?

If I were you since your mixture needs to be a little acidic, I would try to get some bottled water or distiled water and mix it with your tap water a bit.

If you can't do that, then get some micronutrients added, grow big won't supply all micronutrients your plant needs, there is some in there but not complete enough.

earthjuice microblast is acidic, if you can get a hold of that and mix it with every watering it will help being your pH down a bit.

As for now, wait until your plants recover from there problem.

the ones that are dark green and curling leaves, don't feed them for a bit, but they still need micronutrients.
as for the clone that is yellowing, if it yellowed when you put it in there or soon after, you have a lockout, if it yellowed before, then it had to been due to delayed rooting, clones normally yellow when growing roots which is normal.

 

[tree&leaf]

If it's N def, then whats causing all the twisting and curling of the new shoots (all the pointed parts of the leaves surrounding each blade curls under the main blade, making it a lot more skinny.

Most likely incorrect watering, moisture/humidity/heat. How are you watering your plants? Are you doing it correctly? How close are your lights? Do you have an efficient air extraction system? When leaves curl down like that they're reducing down the leaf area for transpiration, ie they're conserving moisture and stopping themselves over heating.

You must ensure the basics for plant growth are correct. Light, water, co2 and oxygen are the essential elements for photosynthesis and subsequently chlorophyll production and as I'm sure you know, chlorophyll is what makes the plants look green to us, because they reflect green light.

The plant must have these elements in sufficient quantities to power photosynthesis, if any of them are out of kilter with the others, problems can develop.

I thought I seen some fish nutes at walmart, is that okay to use for the foliar feeding? Or is there a specific brand you recomend.

Biobizz do a brand called 'Fish Mix' (which I use) and other makers call theirs 'Fish Emulsion'. Just make sure you don't confuse it with Seaweed Extract which is something quite different.

 

[dr_green]

thanks stitch,

Dr. Green, reason why her water retention is high is because if you put a small plant into a big pot you are putting water in an area where there is no roots, people do this to make roots grow and stretch out to find water, this is fine, but for smaller plants it's not, smaller plants can't recover as quickly from like bigger plants can when they are in too wet of soil.

good rule to follow is 1 foot tall plants per 1 gallon size pot minimum.

I know but my CMH bulb produces some mad root system, and in no time I would have to transplant her. I think I might be getting a little lazy though, and I hope I don't have to pay for this. Plus it's getting to time to feed her any how.

Your issue is not being locked out, but rather an over abundance of nitrogen, too much nitrogen will cause twisty distorted growths, claw affect and dark green plants.

but where's the over abundance of Nitrogen coming from? I didn't feed any of them nutes for a while, except for superthrive on the transplant. Only the really small clones recieved FF grow big. Is it the soil your talking about?

Now since there is more than one plant we are talking about here, it's going to get confusing. The smaller plant clone, was those leaves yellowing before you put it in that soil?

If I were you since your mixture needs to be a little acidic, I would try to get some bottled water or distiled water and mix it with your tap water a bit.

If you can't do that, then get some micronutrients added, grow big won't supply all micronutrients your plant needs, there is some in there but not complete enough.

earthjuice microblast is acidic, if you can get a hold of that and mix it with every watering it will help being your pH down a bit.

As for now, wait until your plants recover from there problem.

the ones that are dark green and curling leaves, don't feed them for a bit, but they still need micronutrients.
as for the clone that is yellowing, if it yellowed when you put it in there or soon after, you have a lockout, if it yellowed before, then it had to been due to delayed rooting, clones normally yellow when growing roots which is normal.

I don't know if tap water is so good at my house only because it's so alkaline. That's what was locking out the nutes I think? But yes I will look into the earthjuice microblast.

As for the clones nah, they are rooted, but they are in a lockout. because the clones that I flushed and then fed them light nutes are starting to grow. I have some progress. it was a total dead stop that's why. now some clones are showing the flowers, so I know the flush and the light nutes are working. Plus the new shoots are straighting out, but they are still lime green. I think they need a little heavier dose of nitrogen. I don't know if that's okat to do. I'll post some pics later tonight, I have to get on my desktop comp.

 

[dr_green]

thanks tree&leaf,

Most likely incorrect watering, moisture/humidity/heat. How are you watering your plants? Are you doing it correctly? How close are your lights? Do you have an efficient air extraction system? When leaves curl down like that they're reducing down the leaf area for transpiration, ie they're conserving moisture and stopping themselves over heating.

You must ensure the basics for plant growth are correct. Light, water, co2 and oxygen are the essential elements for photosynthesis and subsequently chlorophyll production and as I'm sure you know, chlorophyll is what makes the plants look green to us, because they reflect green light.

The plant must have these elements in sufficient quantities to power photosynthesis, if any of them are out of kilter with the others, problems can develop.

Biobizz do a brand called 'Fish Mix' (which I use) and other makers call theirs 'Fish Emulsion'. Just make sure you don't confuse it with Seaweed Extract which is something quite different.

I'm pretty sure i'm watering it correctly, but anyways is there a real correct way to water them? Let me know.

I usually feed them water till I see water come out through the bottom and then I stop and drain. Don't really put more water then they need. Is that wrong?

As for heat, not to sure on how hot it is, but I really doubt it goes up to 90 degrees. I got a exhaust blower sucking the shit out of my light hood. and for the humidity, I live in Hawaii. So I naturally have humidity here.

But your explanation for the leaves curling makes somewhat some sense. Maybe I should put a fan directly on her then? I don't want to give her wind burn.

For the fish nutes as long as it's fish emulsion? doesn't matter what brand? There must have junk brands not to use out there.


I'll be posting pictures up later on tonight.

 

[dr_green]

day 62 veg. day 15 clones veg

day 62 veg. day 15 clones veg

Here's the updated pics as I promised.

Clone: Flushed her with Flora Kleen last night, and fed half strength nutes(1/4 tsp) FF Grow Big

Clone: Flushed her with Flora Kleen last night, and fed half strength nutes(1/4 tsp) FF Grow Big

Clone: Flushed her with Flora Kleen three days ago only.
Don't know what sex plant: Flushed with Flora Kleen three days ago.

Clone: Repotted entire soil from old to new FF Ocean Forrest mix three days ago.

Two Headed Male(test dummy): Flushed her with Flora Kleen last night, and fed half strength nutes(1/4 tsp) FF Grow Big


Clone: Fed half strength FF Grow big nutes three days ago.

Two Headed I don't know what sex Plant: Still moist from the repot. Probably tomorrow or the day after will flush and feed with full strength nutes FF grow big

Second Female:Flushed her with Flora Kleen last night, and fed half strength nutes(1/4 tsp) FF Grow Big. She just sprouted hairs everywhere on the top.

The Mother: Still moist from the repot. Probably 2 days from today or the day after that will flush and feed with full strength nutes FF grow big and big bloom.


New tips still fucked up, I hope the Grow big will help and big bloom.


comments welcomed....

 

[MynameStitch]

Dr green, for the most part your plants are starting to recover, the small clones you are better off putting them into cups, than that big pot you cause more problems with big pots when you have small plants in them
All that flushing did your plants good and now they look much more perky!
Yes, the soil is what I was talking about in terms of nitrogen.

THe last picture, your plant has a lot of sativa in it and those shoots look like they are coming out at least semi normal and I would not worry about that, should fix itself when the leaf grows out more.

The only way hard water would lockout nutes if it was over 275-300 range, how high ppm was your tap?

 

[dr_green]

Dr green, for the most part your plants are starting to recover, the small clones you are better off putting them into cups, than that big pot you cause more problems with big pots when you have small plants in them
All that flushing did your plants good and now they look much more perky!
Yes, the soil is what I was talking about in terms of nitrogen.

THe last picture, your plant has a lot of sativa in it and those shoots look like they are coming out at least semi normal and I would not worry about that, should fix itself when the leaf grows out more.

The only way hard water would lockout nutes if it was over 275-300 range, how high ppm was your tap?

thanks stitch,

Yeah I'm going to replant the one that's really hurting into a cup tonight. As for the flushing, does Flora Kleen take out the Nitrogen out of the soil? I don't think so, but if so I got give them some major nutes.

Yeah, I thought it was supposed to be indica, but I think ever since she started to get more and more problems, her blade have been getting thinner. But yeah now it got me thinking I don't have the true blueberry kush(my friend got ripped off in Vancouver). I think it has some Indica although, because every started with some fatter leaves. So we'll see. I'll be taking clones of the other female, because I think she's more Indica. Anyways, yeah her new shoots are really thin though. it's getting pretty bad. But do you think I should be flushing and nuting her?

As for the Hard water, I'm not to sure what the PPM was. But I think this hard water was probably in that range. That's my next investment or christmas present is a PPM pen and a ph pen.

 

[dr_green]

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