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Have you looked at the North Pole lately?
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Modern humans evolved 200,000-300,000 years ago. Genus Homo around 2-3 millions years ago. Humans have never existed during a time when the Earth was over 2c over pre-industrial levels, which is what you are saying. Even genus Homo emerged at a time where the temperature was around 2c and it has not surpassed that since.
As igrowone pointed out, the issue is not that we will reach 2c, although that will cause widespread death and disaster for much of the tropical regions (like mine), but that we are set to surpass it by 2040 -60 (conservatively) with no natural process to return to baseline temperature.
The shifts from 0-2c which took place every 100,000 years were caused by orbital cycles. Which means that they stopped around 2c, and then returned. This has happened over 150 years and is not an orbital cycle. We know what is causing it, and instead of reigning it in we are increasing the magnitude of the cause as the rest of the world races to industrialize. It will not stop at 2c and return or else this wouldn't even be an issue.
Oh trust me, I lived for a year in Ha Noi, and currently live in a basin surrounded by crop-burning zones. I'm with you on the smog, though containing it does not do much for the people who live in those areas. Funnily enough, the best way to eliminate smog is... stop burning fossil-fuels and other carbon sources. Even if you have some sort of mental fortress around the idea of climate-change, we should be able to agree that the time for burning fossil-fuels has passed if we want a healthy home.
As igrowone pointed out, the issue is not that we will reach 2c, although that will cause widespread death and disaster for much of the tropical regions (like mine), but that we are set to surpass it by 2040 -60 (conservatively) with no natural process to return to baseline temperature.
The shifts from 0-2c which took place every 100,000 years were caused by orbital cycles. Which means that they stopped around 2c, and then returned. This has happened over 150 years and is not an orbital cycle. We know what is causing it, and instead of reigning it in we are increasing the magnitude of the cause as the rest of the world races to industrialize. It will not stop at 2c and return or else this wouldn't even be an issue.
Oh trust me, I lived for a year in Ha Noi, and currently live in a basin surrounded by crop-burning zones. I'm with you on the smog, though containing it does not do much for the people who live in those areas. Funnily enough, the best way to eliminate smog is... stop burning fossil-fuels and other carbon sources. Even if you have some sort of mental fortress around the idea of climate-change, we should be able to agree that the time for burning fossil-fuels has passed if we want a healthy home.
the weather here today is a carbon[pardon the pun] copy of what I remember 65 years ago.
...and last year..
..and the year before..
I am sure I can find a day [or days] this summer that will support somebody claiming something
ps..the way “climate” is measured now seems a bit like what the definition of a vaccine is now..
...and last year..
..and the year before..
I am sure I can find a day [or days] this summer that will support somebody claiming something
ps..the way “climate” is measured now seems a bit like what the definition of a vaccine is now..
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Porky82
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The entire system is in danger. Many species other than humans can't withstand temperature fluctuations that climate change has created because they don't have time to adapt because human activity has rapidly increased the speed of climate change.
105000 species could be wipped out with such a rise. Yeah people will be the last to suffer as some species are feeling the effects now!! This is the facts!
A Degree of Concern: Why Global Temperatures Matter – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
In Part 1 of our feature, we examined some of the many reasons why Earth’s natural and human systems are sensitive to a warming climate. In Part 2, we’ll highlight some of the specific ways the IPCC Special Report projects our planet may change with another half-degree or full degree Celsius of...
Porky82
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How about getting rid of the cause of the smog!!
Your trying to pass yourself off as some sort of climate intellectual but silly short sited posts like this arnt helping your cause!!
mudballs
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Yeah probably...it's called evolution...are you gonna go to whatever god you worship and shake him around? ..maybe rough him up? "Hey!...you're doing it wrong!"? ...i think that would be cool. Or just yell at me cuz you don't like my posts? Think we lose 150 species a day...should act soon bud, while there's still some species left
mudballs
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Yeah i dont care enough...i just know there's a threshold we shouldn't pass with smog...all the other shit is laughable noise. I told you what to make sure doesn't happen. You like trying to shame me? I'm not affected by your guilt trip if that's what ur going after
Porky82
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Porky82
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All you have exposed is your strange and un earnt air of superiority!
I'll stick with science and facts you can think all you like!
And what did that science point to? Oh, the opposite of what you continuously claim and manage to never post supporting evidence for.
Also, pretty big ego to assume that you made me do anything Mr Mudballs. You mentioned a specific eon about which I knew nothing, and I though oh cool, I can learn something that I didn't know. You should try that sometime.
For the love of god, I'll say it again. This is not part of any natural process. It is not evolution. It is clearly and observably caused by human action. It is happening in spite of natural processes, not because of them. Putting your fingers in your ears and going Nuhh Uh!!! doesn't change things.
But I'm pretty sure everyone here is with you about saving endangered species. The problem with the issue of climate-change having been politicized by hawkish freaks (really, using common sense, are the oil barons and lobbied politicians and clearly propagandized media outlets feeding us the truth? No, of course they're not) is that it almost immediately causes people to entrench in their views, on both sides, myself included. Even though the same solution is needed to stop smog and save species as is to stop climate change. And so no common ground can be found. And no progress can be made while the Earth is pillaged as much as humanly possible right under our noses. Why do you think that is happening? We all know who is to blame for 99% of the social and environmental issues on Earth, including climate-change, and they're more than happy to watch us yell at each other while they get embarrassingly rich instead of working for solutions.
Which is why if someone suggests learning about some thing which they say will support their view, I am happy to. I can be wrong, I am often.
mudballs
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mudballs
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As i said, using science..earth recycles it's surface every 500M years, so we ignore everything before that. Using the graph above shows earth don't give 2 fkn shits about your 1.5 degrees...your arrogance, entitlement and pompous grandstanding is a fkn repugnant display of ignorance and blind echo chamber typing
Porky82
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So earth has recycled its self 8 times is that what your claiming?
