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trichrider

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Decadal variability of northern Asian winter monsoon shaped by the 11-year solar cycle
Authors

Authors and affiliations

  • Chunhan Jin
  • Bin Wang
  • Jian Liu
  • Liang Ning
  • Mi Yan
  • Chunhan Jin
  • Bin Wang
  • Jian Liu
  • Liang Ning
  • Mi Yan

  1. 1.Key Laboratory for Virtual Geographic Environment of Ministry of Education/State Key Laboratory of Geographical Evolution of Jiangsu Provincial Cultivation Base/Jiangsu Center for Collaborative Innovation in Geographical Information Resource Development and Application, School of Geography ScienceNanjing Normal UniversityNanjingChina
  2. 2.Department of Atmospheric SciencesUniversity of Hawaii at ManoaHonoluluUSA
  3. 3.Earth System Modeling CenterNanjing University of Information Science and TechnologyNanjingChina
  4. 4.Jiangsu Provincial Key Laboratory for Numerical Simulation of Large Scale Complex Systems, School of Mathematical ScienceNanjing Normal UniversityNanjingChina
  5. 5.Open Studio for the Simulation of Ocean-Climate-IsotopeQingdao National Laboratory for Marine Science and TechnologyQingdaoChina
  6. 6.State Key Laboratory of Loess and Quaternary GeologyInstitute of Earth Environment, CASXianChina
Open Access
Article First Online: 03 September 2019

Abstract

Climate signals associated with 11-year sunspot cycle have been extensively studied in various regions of the northern hemisphere, but the precise mechanisms remain elusive. Asian winter monsoon (AWM) is the most powerful circulation system on the Earth, yet its relationship with the 11-year solar cycle has not been explored. Here the response of AWM to the 11-year solar forcing is explored by analysis of numerical experiment results obtained from the Community Earth System Model-Last Millennium Ensemble (CESM-LME) modeling project. We show that a strong 11-year solar cycle can excite a resonant response of the intrinsic leading mode of the AWM variability, resulting in a significant signal of decadal variation. The leading mode, characterized by a warm Arctic and cold Siberia, responds to the maximum solar irradiance with a peculiar 3 to 4-year delay. We propose a new mechanism to explain this delayed response, in which the 11-year solar cycle affects the AWM via modulating Arctic sea ice variation during the preceding summer. At the peak of the accumulative solar irradiance (i.e., 4 years after the maximum solar irradiance), the Arctic sea ice concentration reaches a minimum over the Barents–Kara Sea region accompanied by an Arctic sea surface warming, which then persists into the following winter, causing Arctic high-pressure extend to the Ural mountain region, which enhances Siberian High and causes a bitter winter over the northern Asia.


Keywords

11-year solar cycle Asian winter monsoon Decadal variation Arctic sea ice Arctic warming

1 Introduction

The relationship between solar activity and Earth’s weather and climate has attracted enormous attention in climate research community over the past century (Siscoe 1978). Numerous model studies have suggested that the spectrum solar irradiance interacting with ozone can strongly affect stratospheric temperature and circulation, which then propagate downward to alter tropospheric general circulation (Haigh 1996; Matthes et al. 2006). Statistical correlations between the 11-year solar activity and the decadal climate variability have been found in the observations (Currie 1993; Soon 2005; Van Loon and Meehl 2012). At the peak years of the 11-year solar cycle, the climatological precipitation maxima in the tropical Pacific were found to be strengthened, further modulating the Pacific climate system, i.e., Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) (Van Loon et al. 2007; Meehl et al. 2008, 2009). While for the Northern Hemisphere (NH) winter, links between the solar 11-year variability and the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) have been extensively investigated, which result in diverse views (Ineson et al. 2011; Scaife et al. 2014; Thiéblemont et al. 2015; Gray et al. 2016; Chiodo et al. 2019).
Understanding the physical processes involved in solar-climate connections is crucial to interpretation of the observed climate variability and predictability and to the projection of future climate change. A major process of solar influence that has been identified is via a ‘top-down’ mechanism. The ultraviolet radiation variability on heating rates in the tropical upper stratosphere may affect the meridional temperature gradients and the zonal mean wind anomalies, which then migrate poleward and downward through wave-mean flow interaction (Haigh 1996; Andrews et al. 2015). Another mechanism is the ‘bottom-up’ coupled air-sea mechanism. Increased total solar irradiance (TSI) over cloud-free regions of the subtropics translates into greater evaporation, and the resulting moisture is carried to the convergence zones by the trade winds, thereby strengthening the intertropical convergence zone (ITCZ), affecting the Pacific climate system (Meehl et al. 2008, 2009).
Asian winter monsoon (AWM) is the most powerful circulation system in the NH winter. Comparing with the complex structure of the Asian summer monsoon (Wang et al. 2001; Zhou et al. 2009), the surface circulation of the AWM is simply dominated by the gigantic Siberian–Mongolian High (Chang et al. 1983). Jin et al. (2019) had demonstrated that the decadal variation of the East Asian summer monsoon is possibly affected by the 11-year solar cycle through changing North Pacific decadal oscillation. It is expected that the 11-year solar cycle might also have a footprint in AWM variability. So far, the relationship between AWM and the 11-year solar cycle has not been explored. Therefore, we are curious about to what extent the 11-year solar cycle may affect AWM. In particular, what are the characteristics of AWM that are modulated by the 11-year solar cycle? If there is a linkage between them, how can an enhanced solar irradiance affect NH winter climate when the spot of direct sunlight moves toward the Tropic of Capricorn of the southern Hemisphere? The present work aims at addressing these questions.
It is of great difficulty to distinguish the 11-year solar cycle signal from the short-term observations of the AWM, because the amplitude of 11-year cycle is relatively small (Haigh 1996) whereas the AWM variability is affected by a variety of factors, including natural internal variability (e.g., ENSO, NAO) and other external (e.g., volcanic, anthropogenic) influences (Frame and Gray 2010; Gray et al. 2013). To isolate the impacts of the 11-year solar cycle, we analyze numerical simulation results derived from four solar-only forcing experiments and one control experiment (CTRL), which were conducted by the Community Earth System Model-Last Millennium Ensemble (CESM-LME) modeling project (Otto-Bliesner et al. 2016).
In this paper, we first explore the spatiotemporal variability of the AWM by using the monthly surface temperature data derived from the 20th Century Reanalysis V2 data provided by the NOAA/OAR/ESRL PSD (Compo et al. 2011), and then validate the model performance of the CESM in reproducing the AWM variability in Sect. 3. In Sect. 4, we explore the variation of the AWM modulated by the solar activity on decadal time scale, and examine the linkage between the decadal variation of AMW and the 11-year solar cycle. Then, the possible processes by which the 11-year solar cycle impacts the northern Asian winter are discussed in Sect. 5. In Sect. 6, we elaborate a new mechanism by which the 11-year solar cycle could affect Eurasian winter temperature by modulating the preceding summer and autumn Arctic sea ice variation. The last section presents major conclusions and discusses remaining issues.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00382-019-04945-4

Conclusion and discussion

The main findings concerning how the 11-year solar cycle could potentially affect the decadal variation of the AWM are summarized as follows.
  1. 1. The leading mode of the Asian winter monsoon (AWM), characterized by a cold northern Asia between 40 and 70°N, is an intrinsic mode of AWM variability. However, the external forcing provided by strong 11-year solar cycle can excite a significant decadal signal in the leading AWM mode.
  2. 2. The response of the leading mode of the AWM reaches the strongest phase 4 years after the maximum solar irradiance. Thus, the 11-year solar cycle-excited decadal variation of the AWM is approximately in phase with the accumulated total solar irradiance.
  3. 3. The influence of the 11-year solar cycle on the AWM is mainly via modulating Arctic sea ice variation over the Barents–Kara Sea region during the preceding summer and fall. The Arctic sea ice melting reaches a maximum after a 4-year delay following the peak of the solar irradiance. The summer melting of sea ice causes winter Arctic warming north of 70°N, which, in turn, generates extensive coldness over northern Asia and North Pacific through strengthening the Ural mountain pressure ridge and enhancing the Siberian High in the high latitude of Asia.
The new mechanism proposed in the present study emphasizes that the 11-year solar forcing can affect decadal variability of the northern hemisphere winter climate via its accumulative heating effects that are “memorized” by the Arctic sea ice melting during the preceding summer. This mechanism can explain two dilemmas, one is why the solar forcing variability in summer can affect winter climate, and the other is why there is a delay between the maximum solar irradiance and the AWM response, i.e., the Barents Sea warming and Siberian cooling. Our analysis is consistent with the result of Kug et al. (2015) in the sense that the Barents–Kara Sea warming induces the Ural mountain high anomaly, which can further shift the Mongolian–Siberian High northwestward, favoring intrusion of the cold Arctic air mass into the high latitudes of Asian continent. However, the Arctic high-pressure anomalies were not produced by the Barents–Kara Sea warming in the coupled global climate model experiments. This is not surprising because the sea ice and SST anomalies are not confined in the Barents–Kara Sea region (Fig. 8a). More appropriate experiments are required to distinguish the complex local atmosphere–ocean–sea ice interaction and remote atmospheric forcing. Meanwhile, the role of the 11-year solar cycle-induced Pacific warming on the cold northern Eurasia cannot be entirely ruled out, that calls for further studies.
Since the simulations do not include the ‘top-down’ effect of solar variability (Otto-Bliesner et al. 2016), the mechanism proposed in this paper depends almost entirely on the increased solar forcing acting on the ocean surface. However, in the presence of the ‘top-down’ mechanism, what is the resultant response of AWM calls for further investigation. The results of our study are based on numerical experiments performed using a single climate system model with a four-member ensemble. More ensemble members are desirable for a more reliable detection of the decadal signals. In addition, multi-model simulation results should be investigated to verify the results obtained from the single model used here.


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Trich, I don't know why you continue to post this garbage about solar cycles in a climate change thread? Yes there are solar cycles, but no they don't account for the current people induced climate change.

According to the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the current scientific consensus is that long and short-term variations in solar activity play only a very small role in Earth’s climate. Warming from increased levels of human-produced greenhouse gases is actually many times stronger than any effects due to recent variations in solar activity.

https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2910/what-is-the-suns-role-in-climate-change/
 

St. Phatty

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Meanwhile in Australia we have just had our hottest year on record. Bushfires are still raging. The scale is unprecedented. It's estimated many areas will take 100 years to recover. Some habitats and species lost forever. Sadly it just gets worse with no end in sight.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01...as-hottest-and-driest-year-on-record/11837312

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50951043

I'm waiting for someone to say it but I think this is the wildfire equivalent of a 100 year fire - based on past data.

Sounds like there may not be much left to burn - but that is difficult to comprehend.

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Infant mortality pretty much goes to 100% in circumstances like this.

If the mother & father generation perishes, it will be a long time before a species that got burned out comes back.


It seems odd that the Australian news was haranguing Scott Morrison for past possible mis-statements about climate change.

But the main thing Morrison can do about climate change - deal better with the fires.
 
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We absolutely do get fires and there have been massive fires in the past. We are a "land of drought and flooding rain", it's even in our national anthem. And no doubt it will rain and flood eventually. What is different about this one, and a trend over the last few decades, is the fire season is getting longer, the temperature is up and relative humidity down. Add a very lengthy drought and this is what happens.

In isolation this is just another fire season and drought. The disturbing thing is when you look at graphs just showing a steady increase in temperatures virtually year after year. Higher temperature means lower humidity. What might also occur is more frequent cyclones which our North is prone to. Higher sea temperatures = more cyclones.

Scott Morrison and the previous governments from his side of politics actively oppose measures to combat climate change, on economic grounds, on the global stage. Scott Morrison is know for bringing in a lump of coal to parliament, prior to him becoming prime minister. It's all about us being coal exporters imo. There's a lot more this country can do to combat climate change. Won't work unless other countries do the same but it's no good just saying you won't take action because other countries aren't. Someone has to show leadership.

Scott Morrisons lump of coal in parliament
https://www.theguardian.com/global/...-brings-a-chunk-of-coal-into-parliament-video
 
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45th paralell and mud season in jan, used to have snow machine races thus time of year ten yrs ago in the VERY SAME AREA........
 

trichrider

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-dq3JbZdr4


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it's not CO2
it's not you
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didn't read the paper or even the synopsis did you?
if you had you would have found out why i post/posted that/these/those.
watch this video and you will know more about the connection between the sun and our climate, why the IPCC has never scrutinized this connection or provided for it in their reports.
things are changing. the science is expanding to reveal the cLIEmate fallacies that you so covet.
suspend your disbelief for the few minutes the video takes to play.
maybe you'll awake to a new paradigm.
 
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No I didn't read the paper you posted. Nor will I. And I won't look at your youtube clip either, any idiot can make up shit and post it on youtube. To be fair, you don't often look at other people's links. Last time I quoted you, you didn't bother to reply.

The scientific consensus is huge that the current changes in climate are in large part due to the activities of 7.5 billion humans burning fossil fuel within a finite atmosphere. Every major scientific organisation recognise this. Of course natural weather and climate continue to occur, but this is affected by humans. I have come to the conclusion that people that don't accept this as being based on the best evidence available at the moment, are either too stupid to know where to look for evidence, or have vested interest in large polluters (coal etc). I'd like nothing better than to be wrong about all this, but at least I am basing my views on accepted science.
 

White Beard

Active member
We absolutely do get fires and there have been massive fires in the past. We are a "land of drought and flooding rain", it's even in our national anthem. And no doubt it will rain and flood eventually. What is different about this one, and a trend over the last few decades, is the fire season is getting longer, the temperature is up and relative humidity down. Add a very lengthy drought and this is what happens.

In isolation this is just another fire season and drought. The disturbing thing is when you look at graphs just showing a steady increase in temperatures virtually year after year. Higher temperature means lower humidity. What might also occur is more frequent cyclones which our North is prone to. Higher sea temperatures = more cyclones.
I have been thinking a lot about this...and the regular reports from kickarse that this is all imaginary, everything’s fine, you yanks will believe anything.

I can’t account for the fact that his reports flatly contradict the real experience of a lot of real people in Australia, and I wouldn’t mind if he would show us how he makes sense out of it. I would prefer the making sense to not be bullshit, but I’ll take what I can get.
 
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I have been thinking a lot about this...and the regular reports from kickarse that this is all imaginary, everything’s fine, you yanks will believe anything.

I can’t account for the fact that his reports flatly contradict the real experience of a lot of real people in Australia, and I wouldn’t mind if he would show us how he makes sense out of it. I would prefer the making sense to not be bullshit, but I’ll take what I can get.
Australia is a huge country which goes from full on equatorial tropics in the North, with wet and dry season, to cool temperate in the South, and everything in between. Just below South Eastern Australia is the island of Tasmania, which I suspect kickarse is from. It remains cool even now but had massive fires in 2019. Capital of Tasmania can be a nice 23C whereas a bit North on the same day it can be mid 40's.

I want to stress that fires are normal for Australia, but not to the extent that is occurring presently.
 
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I want to stress that fires are normal for Australia, but not to the extent that is occurring presently.


Between Australia and the fires in the Amazon (160,000), there's an excess of forest loss going on right now....
 

trichrider

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Protester Anger as U.S., Australia Lead Revolt Against U.N. Global Climate Tax
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Pablo Blazquez Dominguez/Getty Simon Kent
15 Dec 2019

United Nations negotiators expressed disbelief then anger Sunday as the COP25 climate talks in Madrid, Spain, looked set to end with no agreement on anything of substance.
The only unanimous decision reached by the 25,000 delegates was the backing for another identical conference in 12 months time to revisit the agenda in a program that first started in 1991.
Negotiators from the Alliance of Small Island States (AOSIS) pointed the finger of blame at Australia and the United States as well as Brazil and Japan for resisting the call for financial reparations to be sent to “victims” of climate change as well as other major industrial nations which see no reason to support U.N. global climate tax demands.
The U.S. in particular was blamed for refusing to agree to developing countries’ demands for money under what is known in U.N. jargon as the Warsaw International Mechanism (WIM). It did point out no country in the world gives more to humanitarian causes than it does. A US state department official said:
The U.S. government is the largest humanitarian donor in the world. The WIM should be a constructive space to catalyse action on the wide range of loss and damage issues. A divisive conversation on blame and liability helps no one.
The annual climate marathon had been due to conclude on Friday, but has dragged on with ministers mired in multiple disputes over implementing the 2015 Paris deal.
Demonstrators take part in a protest on climate emergency, called by environmental groups including Extinction Rebellion and Fridays For Future, during the UN Climate Change Conference COP25 at the ‘IFEMA – Feria de Madrid’ exhibition centre, in Madrid ( CRISTINA QUICLER/AFP via Getty Images)

U.N. chief Antonio Guterres exhorted major world economies on Wednesday to signal more ambitious commitments to cut greenhouse emissions and obey the globalist call for change.
“We need to have the big emitters understanding that their role is essential because if the big emitters fail, everything will fail,” Guterres told Reuters in an interview.
“If we just go on as we are, we are doomed.”
Guterres urged major emitters to send a clear signal they are ready to increase their ambition next year and “hopefully” commit to net zero carbon emissions by 2050 — seen as vital to keeping global temperatures within manageable levels.
“History cannot accept that my generation will betray our children and grandchildren,” said Guterres, a former Portuguese prime minister, who has made climate a signature issue since taking over as U.N. secretary-general in early 2017.
The next U.N. climate summit is set down for December, 2020 in Glasgow, Scotland.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ustralia-lead-revolt-against-climate-demands/

UN-led climate meeting ends without any major agreements to cut emissions
December 15, 2019

After resistance from about a half-dozen major and great powers, a United Nations-led climate summit closed without a major agreement to limit emissions.
The talks were held in Madrid, Spain, and were dubbed COP25. Discussions were viewed as a test of countries’ collective will for more aggressive cuts to so-called ‘greenhouse gasses’ in a bid to close the gap between promises of cuts and lower temperature goals established during the 2015 Paris climate pact.

The U.S., Brazil, China, Australia, and Saudi Arabia led the resistance to a new pact, delegates told Reuters.
At a midnight session on Saturday, Carolina Schmidt, Chile’s environment minister, who served as president of the talks, appealed for consensus.
“I request all your strength to get an ambitious agreement. I count on you to reach consensus,” she said.
Other officials also appealed for countries to sign onto a new agreement but there wasn’t much enthusiasm for new measures.
Talks became mired in disagreements over rules regarding international carbon trading. In this area, Australia and Brazil were among the main holdouts according to delegates.
As such, delegates decided to defer any big actions on climate markets until a later date.
UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said in a tweet he was “disappointed with the results of #COP25.”

He added that the summit outcome, in his view, meant that “the international community lost an important opportunity to show increased ambition on mitigation, adaptation & finance to tackle the climate crisis.”
At the same time, a counter summit hosted by the conservative Heartland Institute was talking place in Madrid as well, which organizers said aimed to counter the climate change emergency narrative.
“We are here to present a dose of reality and sound science, as opposed to much what we hear from the United Nations,” said James Taylor, Director of the Arthur B. Robinson Center for Climate and Environmental Policy at The Heartland Institute.

https://usafeatures.news/2019/12/15...ithout-any-major-agreements-to-cut-emissions/

UN to America: You CANNOT Avoid Paying Punitive Climate “Reparations”
Monday, 16 December 2019
Written by Selwyn Duke

Fresh on the heels of a warning that the United Nations may use force against countries defying its climate-change mandates, the world body has just informed the United States that “it cannot avoid compensating poorer nations hit by climate change, despite Donald Trump honoring his election promise of leaving the 2015 Paris climate agreement,” reports Breitbart.
The bill is high, too, with “green groups” saying the price tag will “top $300 billion annually by 2030 … the majority of which is expected to be invoiced to the U.S.,” Breitbart also tells us.
The site further informs:
Delegates and observers at the COP25 negotiations in Madrid told AFP that Washington seeks a change to the U.N. climate convention that could release it from punitive “loss and damage” funding for developing nations which is predicted to run into the billions of dollars.
Under the bedrock U.N. climate treaty, adopted in 1992, rich nations agreed to help developing countries prepare for unavoidable future climate impacts — the twin pillars of “mitigation” and “adaptation”.
But there was no provision for helping countries and small island states now calling for compensation.
A new mechanism was established in 2013, but with damage estimates climbing, there is no agreement on where the money might come from or even if it should be paid, although the U.S. is constantly the target of calls for financial reparations because it is rich, successful and a dominant world economic force.
Of course, many consider this just another pretext for the redistribution of wealth — with “rich nations” (a.k.a. “Western suckers”) being considered guilty till proven innocent with no proof sufficient.

Once just plain old global warming, the shape-shifting phenomenon that was later rebranded “climate change,” then “global climate disruption” — and now, extreme makeover-style, “global meltdown” and “climate collapse” — has predictions as variable as its name. Higher temperatures are supposed prove the man-caused climate change thesis; then again, global warming could mean global cooling, we were told, and more volatile weather proves the theory, too. So unless there’s San Diego weather the world over henceforth, the country with a $23 trillion national debt is going to have to cough it up to the climate aggrieved. That is, unless Americans still govern America.
In case they don’t, however, COP25 officials have many ideas for transferring wealth, including “U.N.-administered taxes on financial transactions, international air travel and fossil fuels,” reported Breitbart in an earlier article.
This doesn’t mean the United States is alone in being green-targeted for its green. Among the 25,000 delegates who flew into Madrid on CO2-spewing air-transport machines was Carlos Fuller from Belize, who “told the BBC that Brazil, Saudi Arabia, India, and China were ‘part of the problem’ because of their refusal to guarantee any payments for their climate ‘sins,’” reports Climate Change Dispatch.
“The only agreement amongst representatives,” the site continues, “is that the U.S. alone might be left with a multi-billion dollar tab.”
Yet as is often the case with reparations movements, the would-be takers are to a degree, sometimes, fakers. Consider that major recipients could be island nations such as the Maldives and the Marshall Islands, both of which were recently pleading climate victim status before a UN conference. Yet while an onus is sometimes put on India, both those island nations have greater CO2 emissions per capita than India does, with the Maldives’ figure almost twice as high. So do they owe India climate reparations?
The main problem with such wealth-transfer schemes, however, is that the man-caused global-warming thesis is based on a lot of hot air. Consider:
• Climate data appear very unreliable, and many scientists say that the temperature ceased rising approximately 20 years ago. Moreover, insofar as the climate is changing — and it always does — there’s no proof man’s activities are responsible.
• The claim that “97 percent of scientists affirm” man-caused global warming was always false. There’s much disagreement on the matter, and, besides, “consensus” isn’t a term of science, but politics.
• CO2 is not a pollutant, but plant “food,” which is why botanists pump it into greenhouses and why crop yields are greater when levels are higher; it’s why the age of the dinosaurs, when CO2 levels were six to seven times today’s, was characterized by lush foliage everywhere. Also, calling CO2 “carbon” is like calling H2O “hydrogen” — it’s a propaganda term.
• In fact, astrobiologist Jack O’Malley-James warned in 2013 that life on Earth will end because of too little CO2 (in approximately one billion years). Plants can’t photosynthesize when levels are too low.
• Some scientists believe that we’re actually poised to enter another ice age; this would be truly dangerous because people and animals generally fare better in warmer temperatures.
• Danish statistician Bjørn Lomborg, the head of the Copenhagen Consensus Center, calculated in 2017 that reducing the global temperature three-tenths of one degree by the century’s end — meaning, postponing so-called “global warming” less than four years — would cost $100 trillion (no, that’s not a typo).
• Climate models have been consistently inaccurate, yet alarmists still want them to shape policy. Is this logical? Would you take a “hot stock tip” from a broker who’d been consistently wrong for more than a generation?
• Doomsday prognostications have been no better. Professor Paul Ehrlich, Population Bomb author, predicted in 1968 that a famine would cause “hundreds of millions of people … to starve to death” in the United States in the 1970s and that by 1999, our population would have declined to 22.6 million, reported Professor Walter E. Williams in his 2008 article “Environmentalists Wild Predictions.”
One prediction that can be banked on, however, is that when a certain doomsday climate of fear serves to increase politicians’ power and taxation capacity, that climate will not soon be changed.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/worl...not-avoid-paying-punitive-climate-reparations

Environmentalists' Wild Predictions

By Walter E.Williams
May 6, 2008

Now that another Earth Day has come and gone, let's look at some environmentalist predictions that they would prefer we forget.
At the first Earth Day celebration, in 1969, environmentalist Nigel Calder warned, "The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind." C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization said, "The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed." In 1968, Professor Paul Ehrlich, Vice President Gore's hero and mentor, predicted there would be a major food shortage in the U.S. and "in the 1970s ... hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death." Ehrlich forecasted that 65 million Americans would die of starvation between 1980 and 1989, and by 1999 the U.S. population would have declined to 22.6 million. Ehrlich's predictions about England were gloomier: "If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000."
In 1972, a report was written for the Club of Rome warning the world would run out of gold by 1981, mercury and silver by 1985, tin by 1987 and petroleum, copper, lead and natural gas by 1992. Gordon Taylor, in his 1970 book "The Doomsday Book," said Americans were using 50 percent of the world's resources and "by 2000 they [Americans] will, if permitted, be using all of them." In 1975, the Environmental Fund took out full-page ads warning, "The World as we know it will likely be ruined by the year 2000."
Harvard University biologist George Wald in 1970 warned, "... civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind." That was the same year that Sen. Gaylord Nelson warned, in Look Magazine, that by 1995 "... somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct."
It's not just latter-day doomsayers who have been wrong; doomsayers have always been wrong. In 1885, the U.S. Geological Survey announced there was "little or no chance" of oil being discovered in California, and a few years later they said the same about Kansas and Texas. In 1939, the U.S. Department of the Interior said American oil supplies would last only another 13 years. In 1949, the Secretary of the Interior said the end of U.S. oil supplies was in sight. Having learned nothing from its earlier erroneous claims, in 1974 the U.S. Geological Survey advised us that the U.S. had only a 10-year supply of natural gas. The fact of the matter, according to the American Gas Association, there's a 1,000 to 2,500 year supply.
Here are my questions: In 1970, when environmentalists were making predictions of manmade global cooling and the threat of an ice age and millions of Americans starving to death, what kind of government policy should we have undertaken to prevent such a calamity? When Ehrlich predicted that England would not exist in the year 2000, what steps should the British Parliament have taken in 1970 to prevent such a dire outcome? In 1939, when the U.S. Department of the Interior warned that we only had oil supplies for another 13 years, what actions should President Roosevelt have taken? Finally, what makes us think that environmental alarmism is any more correct now that they have switched their tune to manmade global warming?

Here are a few facts: Over 95 percent of the greenhouse effect is the result of water vapor in Earth's atmosphere. Without the greenhouse effect, Earth's average temperature would be zero degrees Fahrenheit. Most climate change is a result of the orbital eccentricities of Earth and variations in the sun's output. On top of that, natural wetlands produce more greenhouse gas contributions annually than all human sources combined.
Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University. To find out more about Walter E. Williams and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.

https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/05/08/environmentalists-wild-predictions
 

trichrider

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No I didn't read the paper you posted. Nor will I. And I won't look at your youtube clip either, any idiot can make up shit and post it on youtube. To be fair, you don't often look at other people's links. Last time I quoted you, you didn't bother to reply.

The scientific consensus is huge that the current changes in climate are in large part due to the activities of 7.5 billion humans burning fossil fuel within a finite atmosphere. Every major scientific organisation recognise this. Of course natural weather and climate continue to occur, but this is affected by humans. I have come to the conclusion that people that don't accept this as being based on the best evidence available at the moment, are either too stupid to know where to look for evidence, or have vested interest in large polluters (coal etc). I'd like nothing better than to be wrong about all this, but at least I am basing my views on accepted science.


then you don't have the best evidence if you refuse to examine alternatives.
how can you make a determination based on inadequate review of the ""BEST AVAILABLE SCIENCE"" if you refuse to do so?

think about it.


what are you actually on about? it must be me, because you refuse to confront evidence i provide that might seriously change your view.

can you cite the references that you depend upon for the stance you are taking? have you read the literature that you base your claim on? or is it the UN IPCC pap that you push as a globalist scion?

your education((OPINION)) on causes of climate is incredibly shortsighted, yet you pretend it is gospel.
here are some links you won't read...


Thursday, 12 December 2019
08:00 - 12:20
Although evidence from both modern observations and paleoclimate records support claims that solar activity is a significant driver of climate change on decadal and century timescales, there exists great controversy due to the lack of a generally accepted linking mechanism. Hypotheses for the solar activity as driver include the solar irradiance mechanism; the energetic particle precipitation - chemical mechanism; the solar wind – GEC - cloud mechanism; and the cosmic ray - ion-mediated nucleation mechanism. These are not mutually exclusive. At the same time, new observations, including those on the day-to-day timescale to decadal timescale, continue to providing support for the solar activity connection. The proposed session will combine new data analyses and numerical simulations to update the picture of the solar variability impact on weather and climate.

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Abstracts

A41V-2689 Simulation and Parameterization of In-Cloud Aerosol Scavenging Due to Atmospheric Ionization
Liang Zhang, East China Normal University, Shanghai, China, Brian A Tinsley, Univ of Texas Dallas, Richardson, TX, United States and Limin Zhou, Key Laboratory of Geographic Information Science, East China Normal University, Shanghai, China

A41V-2690
Solar Irradiance Variability as Observed by the Spectral Irradiance Monitor (SIM) on the Total and Spectral Solar Irradiance Sensor (TSIS-1) Mission
Odele Coddington1,2, Erik C Richard1,2 and Peter Pilewskie1,2, (1)Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics, Boulder, CO, United States, (2)University of Colorado Boulder, Boulder, CO, United States

A41V-2691
A Particular Precipitation Pattern during the East Asian Summer Monsoon Responding to 11-year Solar Cycle and Its Physical Sense
Liang Zhao and Ziniu Xiao, LASG, IAP, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, China

A41V-2692
Evaluating the Degree to Which Sunspots Are an Accurate and Stationary Predictor of Total Solar Irradiance Samuel T Amdur and Peter J Huybers, Harvard University, Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Cambridge, MA, United States

A41V-2693
Impact of Solar Activity on China Precipitation in Boreal Winter and Summer
Yan Song, China Meteorological Administration, Beijing, China, Zhicai Li, Shanxi Climate Center, Taiyuan 030006, China, Shanxi, China, Ziniu Xiao, State Key Laboratory of Numerical Modeling for Atmospheric Sciences and Geophysical Fluid Dynamics, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, China and Yu Gu, UCLA 405 Hilgard Ave, Los Angeles, CA, United States

A41V-2694
Effects of the energetic electron precipitation on the boreal winter climate by CCM simulation
Zhipeng Zhu and Limin Zhou, Key Laboratory of Geographic Information Science, East China Normal University, Shanghai, China

A41V-2695
Examination of 10Be in travertine sediment as a possible tool to reconstruct high-resolution past solar activity
Hongyang Xu1, Hiroko Miyahara2, Limin Zhou1, Kazuho Horiuchi3, Hiroyuki Matsuzaki4, Hailong Sun5, Weijun Luo5, Xiangmin Zheng1, Yusuke Suganuma6 and Shijie Wang5, (1)Key Laboratory of Geographic Information Science, East China Normal University, Shanghai, China, (2)Musashino Art University, Kodaira-city, Japan, (3)Hirosaki University, Aomori, Japan, (4)The University Museum, The University of Tokyo, Bunkyo-ku, Japan, (5)Chinese Academy of Sciences, The State Key Laboratory of Environmental Geochemistry, Institute of Geochemistry, Guiyang, China, (6)Institute of Polar Research, Tokyo, Japan

A41V-2696
Impacts of Ensemble Cumulus Parameterization on Diurnal Cycle Simulation of Summer Precipitation in Southern Contiguous China
Yiting Zhu1, Fengxue Qiao1 and Xin-Zhong Liang2, (1)East China Normal University, Key Laboratory of Geographic Information Science, Ministry of Education, Shanghai, China, (2)Nanjing University of Information Science and Technology, College of Atmospheric Science, Nanjing, China

A41V-2697
Modulation of solar cycle signal on the wintertime temperature over Eurasian continent
Ziniu Xiao and Delin LI, LASG, IAP, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, China


A41V-2698
Polar motion as a useful index to help detecting the change of terrestrial water storage change
Suxia Liu1,2, ShanShan Deng2,3 and Xingguo Mo1,2, (1)Key Laboratory of Water Cycle and Related Land Surfaces, Institute of Geographic Sciences and Natural Resources Research, Chinese Academy of Science, Beijing, China, (2)College of Environment and Resources/Sino-Danish Center, University of Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing 110049, China, Beijing, China, (3)Key Laboratory of Water Cycle and Related Land Surfaces, Institute of Geographic Sciences and Natural Resources Research, CAS, Beijing, China

A41V-2699
Robust Solar Cycle Signal in the North Pacific Subarctic Frontal Zone
Delin LI, Guangdong Ocean University, Guangdong, China and Ziniu Xiao, State Key Laboratory of Numerical Modeling for Atmospheric Sciences and Geophysical Fluid Dynamics, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, China

A41V-2702
Analysis of the Influence of Geomagnetic Activity and Temperature Change in China in Recent 100 Years
Wei Jin, Anshan City Bureau of Meteorology, Anshan, China

A41V-2703
Simulation on the response of the aerosol chemistry to the energetic electron precipitation
Ruyi Zhang, Zhipeng Zhu and Xiangmin Zheng, Key Laboratory of Geographic Information Science, East China Normal University, Shanghai, China

A41V-2704
Solar Spectral Irradiance Variability in the Ultraviolet during Cycle 24: Comparison of SOLAR/SOLSPEC and SOLSTICE/SORCE Data
Luc Damé1, Mustapha Meftah2, Martin A Snow3, Slimane Bekki2, David Bolsée4, Nuno Pereira4 and Gaël Cessateur4, (1)LATMOS Laboratoire Atmosphères, Milieux, Observations Spatiales, Paris Cedex 05, France, (2)LATMOS Laboratoire Atmosphères, Milieux, Observations Spatiales, Guyancourt, France, (3)Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics, Boulder, CO, United States, (4)Belgisch Instituut voor Ruimte-Aeronomie, Brussel, Belgium

A41V-2705
The day-to-day tropospheric pressure responses to changes in ionospheric potential
Limin Zhou, Key Laboratory of Geographic Information Science, East China Normal University, Shanghai, China, Brian A Tinsley, Univ of Texas Dallas, Richardson, TX, United States, Gary B Burns, Australian Antarctic Division, Kingston, TAS, Australia and Lin Wang, East China Normal University, Shanghai, China

A41V-2706
The Direct Response in the Equatorial Pacific to the 11 year Solar Cycle Forcing and its mechanisms
Wenjuan Huo, GEOMAR Helmholtz Centre for Ocean Research Kiel, Kiel, Germany

A41V-2707
The Initial Evalution of the Relation between The Anthropogenic PAHs and the Solar Cycle in Asian Monsoon Zone Yushan Xie, Shanghai, Shanghai, China and Min Liu, East China Normal University, Key Laboratory of Geographic Information Sciences, Ministry of Education, School of Geographic Sciences, Shanghai, China

A41V-2708
Variability of Relation between the Northern Hemisphere Winter Climate and 11-Year Solar Cycle in the past 50 Years
Jiaqian Fang and Limin Zhou, Key Laboratory of Geographic Information Science, East China Normal University, Shanghai, China
 

trichrider

Kiss My Ring
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Trich, I don't know why you continue to post this garbage about solar cycles in a climate change thread? Yes there are solar cycles, but no they don't account for the current people induced climate change.

According to the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the current scientific consensus is that long and short-term variations in solar activity play only a very small role in Earth’s climate. Warming from increased levels of human-produced greenhouse gases is actually many times stronger than any effects due to recent variations in solar activity.

https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2910/what-is-the-suns-role-in-climate-change/
you wanted a response to this?


What Effect Do Solar Cycles Have on Earth’s Climate?

According to the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the current scientific consensus is that long and short-term variations in solar activity play only a very small role in Earth’s climate. Warming from increased levels of human-produced greenhouse gases is actually many times stronger than any effects due to recent variations in solar activity.
For more than 40 years, satellites have observed the Sun's energy output, which has gone up or down by less than 0.1 percent during that period. Since 1750,??? the warming driven by greenhouse gases coming from the human burning of fossil fuels is over 50 times greater than the slight extra warming coming from the Sun itself over that same time interval.


science is not consensus - Fallacy
satellite observation = 40 years, not long enough to be climate
is this a climate change thread? really?

maybe you can explain why earth has been warmer before mankind...or that earths normal climate is ice ages...

Like nothing we’ve ever seen
Earth’s hottest periods—the Hadean, the late Neoproterozoic, the PETM—occurred before humans existed. Those ancient climates would have been like nothing our species has ever seen.
Modern human civilization, with its permanent agriculture and settlements, has developed over just the past 10,000 years or so. The period has generally been one of low temperatures and relative global (if not regional) climate stability.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been

Global Warming Natural Cycle
The idea that Global Warming is a natural cycle is well understood from paleo data covering the past 1 million years. Is there a difference between current climate, and the natural cycle? For the past million years the natural climate has oscillated between warm periods and ice ages. This shifting in and out of warm periods and ice ages is correlated strongly with Milankovitch cycles. In order to understand the difference between natural cycle and human-caused/influenced global warming, one needs to consider changes in radiative forcing and how this affects systems on Earth such as the atmosphere, vegetation, ice and snow, ocean chemistry and ocean heat content overturn cycles and related effects. The current radiative forcing levels are clearly outside of the natural cycle range.

TEACHER BACKGROUND:NATURALCLIMATE CHANGE

The natural variability and the climate fluctuations of the climate system have always been part of the Earth’s history.To understand climate change fully, the causes of climate change must be first identified.The earth’s climate is influenced and changed through natural causes like volcanic eruptions, ocean currents, the Earth’s orbital changes, solar variations and internal variability.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/education/info_activities/pdfs/TBI_natural_climate_change.pdf

pull yourself away from MSM and use your head.
 

kickarse

Active member
No not from Tasmania, I've only got one head

I'm not far from where Ash Wednesday, Black Thursday, Black Friday, and Black Saturday happened, we even had a Red Tuesday here once

NSW fires are about as big as 84/85 fires, but well short of the 74/75 fires so far,
they will probably exceed them before its over? only another million hectares to go
fuck really knows, the rains will be back soon
then it will be the floods they can blame on Co2

ya can't make it rain, but you can make it burn, take the arsonists/terrorists out and we wouldn't be having half the fires

East Gippsland would still be fucked tho, most of them were caused by lighting, they will burn for a long while yet

Its raining here today, lets hope it heads east(and north) where they desperately need it


Quoting the IPCC is just as bad as the ABC and the Guardian, seems to me the only "science" we are allowed to believe in, must come from a loony leftard source.

WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU LOT, don't be blind to other explanations about whats going on with the climate/weather/planet, way more scientists don't believe in the bullshit, they just don't get heard on the mainstream news

Its typical of the fascist leftards, your not allowed to question their ideology
 

dragongrower

Active member
you guys crack me up.
Especially you, Trichrider.. Some of the links even cite Breitbart news.. I bet they know stuff better than most scientists.

But mostly, its kinda sad..
 

trichrider

Kiss My Ring
Veteran
you guys crack me up.
Especially you, Trichrider.. Some of the links even cite Breitbart news.. I bet they know stuff better than most scientists.

But mostly, its kinda sad..


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yet here you are showing how intelligent discourse devolves into emotional drivel.
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if you find it sad, smoke a bowl and channel Tony Robbins or something upbeat instead of demonstrating your
passive /aggressive personality.


join the growing number of haters floundering in the wake of woke.
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Australian hot and dry extremes induced by weakenings of the stratospheric polar vortex


Nature Geoscience volume 12, pages896–901(2019)Cite this article


Abstract

The occurrence of extreme hot and dry conditions in warm seasons can have large impacts on human health, energy and water supplies, agriculture and wildfires. Australian hot and dry extremes have been known to be associated with the occurrence of El Niño and other variations of tropospheric circulation. Here we identify an additional driver: variability of the stratospheric Antarctic polar vortex. On the basis of statistical analyses using observational data covering the past 40 yr, we show that weakenings and warmings of the stratospheric polar vortex, which episodically occur during austral spring, substantially increase the chances of hot and dry extremes and of associated fire-conducive weather across subtropical eastern Australia from austral spring to early summer. The promotion of these Australian climate extremes results from the downward coupling of the weakened polar vortex to tropospheric levels, where it is linked to the low-index polarity of the Southern Annular Mode, an equatorward shift of the mid-latitude westerly jet stream and subsidence and warming in the subtropics. Because of the long timescale of the polar vortex variations, the enhanced likelihood of early-summertime hot and dry extremes and wildfire risks across eastern Australia may be predictable a season in advance during years of vortex weakenings.


doi:10.1038/s41561-019-0456-x


paste this doi into this browser to read the paper:


https://sci-hub.tw/
 

dragongrower

Active member
there really is no need.
No matter what anybody says, its clear you will not change your mind.

It just boggles me that you dont think the world is not affected by humans.. Thats all.

take care,
 

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