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Have you looked at the North Pole lately?

Cannavore

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"Dr. Spencer is on the board of directors of the George C. Marshall Institute, a right-wing conservative think tank on scientific issues and public policy. He listed as an expert for the Heartland Institute, a libertarian American public policy think tank. Dr. Spencer is also listed as an expert by the International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project (ICECAP), a global warming "skeptic" organization"



aka your source is a professional shill for the corporate elite
 

armedoldhippy

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aka your source is a professional shill for the corporate elite

gosh! who would ever have guessed that the corporate whores trying to dominate/steer discussions would have hired shills? imagine that...:biggrin: could...could there be one on HERE? (i am out of rep, cannavore):thank you:
 

St. Phatty

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gosh! who would ever have guessed that the corporate whores trying to dominate/steer discussions would have hired shills? imagine that...:biggrin: could...could there be one on HERE? (i am out of rep, cannavore):thank you:

The biotech industry literally hires Internet goons to harass patients who report Adverse Events from American biotech products.

I have a friend that ended up suing one of the goons and actually managed to push him into bankruptcy.
 

armedoldhippy

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The biotech industry literally hires Internet goons to harass patients who report Adverse Events from American biotech products.

I have a friend that ended up suing one of the goons and actually managed to push him into bankruptcy.

bankruptcy is cool, but i want to see a video of them going off a cliff...:biggrin:
 
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Frylock

bankruptcy is cool, but i want to see a video of them going off a cliff...:biggrin:

I've been hoping Trump would pull a Budd Dwyer on TV.... for any reason.... i don't care what, any reason.

I get qweezy seeing graphic injuries but i would be using slow motion to re-watch that over and over. (well probably not but you get the idea) :redface:
 

festerous

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If enough of the world's population accept that global warming is real we will be able to accomplish great things.

Such as raising the carbon tax.

I personally believe this tax is very important and should be adopted by every country in the world.

We should also target the homeless and the poverty stricken as they are known tax evaders.


The more money we can raise to combat this crisis, the better off humanity will be.

Our politicians and entertainment professionals truly have our best interests in mind and could not care less for the billions of dollars they are raking in.

Anyone in disagreement should probably be forced by threat of violence to pay extra.
 

trichrider

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"Dr. Spencer is on the board of directors of the George C. Marshall Institute, a right-wing conservative think tank on scientific issues and public policy. He listed as an expert for the Heartland Institute, a libertarian American public policy think tank. Dr. Spencer is also listed as an expert by the International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project (ICECAP), a global warming "skeptic" organization"



aka your source is a professional shill for the corporate elite


ad hominem, all day long....

you can't criticize the work so you criticize the presenter, sad and ineffective. you lack any debating skills or knowledge of the subject other than 'feelings'.

regretfully you poison the discourse with those feelings rather than facts.
who're the real shill(s) here?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbQ-KviHT5I


[youtubeif]wbQ-KviHT5I[/youtubeif]
 

TychoMonolyth

Boreal Curing
Fracking boom tied to methane spike in Earth’s atmosphere

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/08/fracking-boom-tied-to-methane-spike-in-earths-atmosphere/

The chemical signature of methane released from fracking is found in the atmosphere, pointing to shale gas operations as the culprit.

Scientists have measured big increases in the amount of methane, the powerful global warming gas, entering the atmosphere over the last decade. Cows or wetlands have been fingered as possible sources, but new research points to methane emissions from fossil fuel production—mainly from shale gas operations in the United States and Canada—as the culprit.
 

Frosty Nuggets

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We are coming out of an ice age, of course the planet is warming up, it does so because the suns output changes over time not because of CO2, we need more CO2 in the atmosphere so our crops will grow better. :tiphat:
 

St. Phatty

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We are coming out of an ice age, of course the planet is warming up, it does so because the suns output changes over time not because of CO2, we need more CO2 in the atmosphere so our crops will grow better. :tiphat:

who said the temperatures are rising because of the CO2 ?

they're simply happening at the same time.

the CO2 is good for the plants but multiplies wildfire problems by a lot.
 

armedoldhippy

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Iceland holds ceremony to honor first glacier on planet to completely melt. the Okjokull glacier is completely gone now, and was memorialized with a plaque by the govt. won't be the last, i'm thinking...
 
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moose eater

Iceland holds ceremony to honor first glacier on planet to completely melt. the Okjokull glacier is completely gone now, and was memorialized with a plaque by the govt. won't be the last, i'm thinking...

I just saw that while cruising the news on-line....
 

therevverend

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We are coming out of an ice age, of course the planet is warming up,

We came out of the Ice Age 10,000 years ago. Since then the temperature has been stable and mild. 200 years ago the temperature started to rise, faster then it's risen in millions of years. The only times in earth history it's risen this fast is at the start of one of the mass extinctions, massive die-offs of plants and animals that don't have time to adapt to the changing environment.

At the same time the amount of C02 and other gasses in the atmosphere has risen exponentially. To a level the earth hasn't seen in 15 million years. At that time there was no ice on Greenland, Antarctica wasn't covered in ice.

When you go to a museum you see all kinds of ancient mega-fauna from the last Ice Age. Mammoths, cave lions, giant sloths, and the rest. You look at our large animals now and you think maybe there was something extraordinary then, causing animals to get so big. In reality it's the opposite, throughout earth's history there's always been lots of mega fauna. There were elephants in South America 10,000 years ago, horses and camels across the Western Hemisphere, lions and saber tooth cats. They've all been replaced by people and our ever expanding population. Along with the farmland and resources we're extracting to continue expanding our civilization. At what point will we run out of room to continue expanding and growing our economies? That is the big question right now.
 

St. Phatty

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Along with the farmland and
resources we're extracting to continue expanding our civilization. At what point will we run out of room to continue expanding and growing our economies? That is the big question right now.


We already ran out of room.

Our economy is wholely dependent on cheap energy to grow.


Also one of the dysfunctional ways that Western companies make processes affordable is, they ignore the "hidden costs" (e.g. environmental destruction.)

BP may have made a profit in 2010, but they destroyed the Gulf of Mexico. If you disagree with that, get some seawater from the Gulf of Mexico, and feed it to your pregnant family member. I suggest not doing that ... Corexit residues & all.


At this point the US is close to a grain silo full of corn, that a few rats found their way into. They multiplied happily, until there were thousands of rats and only a few pounds of corn.

Then they run out of corn ... and begin dining on each other's babies.

Many of the mass shootings we are having are related to classic over-crowding.


Not saying the planet can't support more than 7.5 Billion people - it can. But not when they do like Google and act like Pretend Kings and fly wannabe princes & princesses into their "Global Warming" conference in Italy.
 
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moose eater

Alaska as a whole, is normally past its fire season by now. But we've had some record-setting heat and arid weather in our normally damp/wet coastal areas of South Central and such this year, and our wet season in the Interior has (as is more common of late) begun earlier, and extended later; with flood advisories last night or the night before, and last week as well up here.

The other day 300 tourists were stranded in Denali Park, when mud/land slides closed the road into the Park, resulting from heavy rains..

Considering the array of tourists who visit that area, and some being far more organic in their eating habits, while others are your generic urban-ite heathens, I imagined (in a creative moment of boredom) what their camp fires and motor homes might be offering for dinner fare? (some with marshmallows and wienies, some with freeze-dried stuff like Mountain House, Backpackers Pantry, etc., some with strictly organic healthful stuffs, and some with pork and beans in cans, ranging up to home-made awesomeness.. All stuck in the rainy weather, sharing what ever was needed? Maybe sharing. Maybe not.

Meanwhile, both the Sterling Highway and Parks Highway are/were closed due to wild-fire crossing the highways, in both cases (especially the Parks Hwy fire) burning structures.

In the case of the Parks Hwy, they're escorting vehicles with pilot cars now for 28 miles, from mile post 71 to Sunshine Tesoro/Talkeetna Jct. area at mile post 99.

The Parks Hwy fire was reportedly caused by high winds knocking down a tree onto a utility pole; high winds have been a change here over the last years due to weather changes. not that we didn't get such things before, but that they were not like what we get now, in re. to season, severity, etc.

Over 50 structures have been burned along the Parks Hwy, and into either side. That's mostly a series of residential areas/subdivisions in there. Driven it over a hundred times.
 

trichrider

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Aug. 19, 2019
GRACE-FO Shows the Weight of Midwestern Floods




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North America was almost entirely above its long-term average in mass in May 2019, due to Midwestern flooding, with the runoff raising the Great Lakes to record levels.
Credits: NASA/JPL-Caltech


In May 2019, after the wettest 12 months ever recorded in the Mississippi River Basin, the region was bearing the weight of 8 to 12 inches (200 to 300 millimeters) more water than average. New data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment Follow-On (GRACE-FO) mission, which launched in May 2018, showed that there was an increase in water storage in the river basin, extending east around the Great Lakes.
Data from the twin GRACE-FO spacecraft are used to measure the change in the mass of water across the planet, providing scientists, decision makers and resource managers with an accurate measure of how much water is retained — not only on Earth's surface, but also in the soil layer and below ground in aquifers. Monitoring these changes provides a unique perspective of Earth's climate and has far-reaching benefits for humankind, such as understanding both the possibility and the consequences of floods and droughts.
GRACE-FO data will soon be incorporated into the weekly U.S. Drought Monitor maps, an important tool for tracking drought across the United States. Agricultural drought depends not only on rainfall, but also on the quantity and extent of underground water available to plant roots and irrigation. GRACE-FO's estimates of subsurface water are critical to crop and water management.
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Almost all of Greenland continued to lose mass in May 2019 as the ice sheet continues to melt.
Credits: NASA/JPL-Caltech


The mission also measures mass changes in the thick ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica. The May 2019 GRACE-FO map of Greenland shows that most of the island continued its long-term trend of ice mass loss. GRACE-FO data from June 2018 through early 2019 (see black-and-white graph) indicate a recent slowdown in Greenland ice loss that has also been observed in data from NASA's Oceans Melting Greenland airborne campaign. This slowdown has been attributed to cooler ocean waters around Greenland for the last few years.
The GRACE-FO science team is now looking at June 2019 data to assess how the unusually warm weather and rapid ice loss this summer will affect that trend. Greenland's significant ice melt in June and July this year was similar to the strong melting that occurred in the summer of 2012 and led to significant ice loss.
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The long-term record of Greenland's mass, as observed by GRACE and now GRACE-FO, shows the island's continuous ice loss.
Credits: NASA/JPL-Caltech


GRACE-FO launched about a year after the predecessor GRACE mission ceased operations following 15 years in space. "The Earth's climate system has been doing interesting things since we last had observations from the original GRACE mission," said Felix Landerer, the GRACE-FO deputy project scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. "The new GRACE-FO data provide us with crucial information about the changes that are occurring around us. We're excited to be able to make this high-quality data set available to the scientific community."
GRACE-FO is a partnership between NASA and the German Research Centre for Geosciences (GFZ). The twin GRACE-FO spacecraft are operated from the German Space Operations Center in Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany, under a GFZ contract with the German Aerospace Center (DLR). JPL manages the mission for NASA's Earth Science Division in the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters in Washington. Caltech in Pasadena, California, manages JPL for NASA.


https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/grace-fo-shows-the-weight-of-midwestern-floods
 

TychoMonolyth

Boreal Curing
Your post is very misleading.

You date this August 19, 2019, but the Greenland ice melt data is from winter (March 2019). Of course it would slow down.

Here's real news for you: Greenland is losing more ice due to melt than at anytime in history and it's accelerating.


This July alone, Greenland's ice sheet lost 197 billion tons of ice -- the equivalent of around 80 million Olympic swimming pools -- according to Mottram. She told CNN the expected average would be between 60-70 billion tons at this time of year.
 

trichrider

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i didn't date anything
the post is cut and paste
and your reading comprehension is weak kungfu
click the third place it says 'click on this' for the graph of melt
it's NASA supplying the information, supporting your contention, not mine.
i cherry picked it just for you...
 

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