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Have You Been Vaccinated?

Have You Been Vaccinated?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 62 31.0%
  • No!

    Votes: 43 21.5%
  • Soon!

    Votes: 15 7.5%
  • No Way!

    Votes: 66 33.0%
  • I Just Wanna Watch!

    Votes: 14 7.0%

  • Total voters
    200

Hempy McNoodle

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mexcurandero420

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Veteran
My apologies, i was referring to the US.
I have no knowledge of how anything is done elsewhere.

You don't have to apologize.In the UK the bureau of statistics came in the news last week that 33% of the Covid death was actually caused by the flu and pneumonia and not by Covid.I wouldn't be surprised that it also counts elsewhere.
 

mexcurandero420

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Veteran
The real danger of COVID-19 vaccines: why we should avoid leaking vaccines

Two weeks ago I wrote in my blog how out of anger at the ban of two completely safe but dirt cheap substances, namely HCQ and ivermectin, I would refuse to be vaccinated, also because I already feel sufficiently protected with a meaningful dosage of vitamin D3 and zinc.

However, I saw no harm in the vaccine itself. I have changed my mind about this in the meantime. No, it is not because I am afraid of thrombosis or that I find the mRNA gene technology used for a number of vaccines scary.

What really freaked me out is that I was introduced to the phenomenon of 'leaky vaccine' or a 'leaking' vaccine, which means that viruses can still infect people who have already been vaccinated. Most people no longer become very ill, but can still infect others.
People who consciously chose not to vaccinate ultimately have no other choice than to be forced to be vaccinated anyway because the virus has mutated into a much more dangerous variant.
At least this is the theory of Dr Geert Vanden Bossche , a leading virologist who appears to have become known at the end of last year thanks to his crusade against mass vaccination.

Why is the fact that we are dealing with a leaking vaccine so scary? Let me explain with an article about Marek's disease in chickens.


'Leaky' vaccines ensure that stronger virus mutants can develop

By studying chickens, scientists have been able to prove that more contagious (more virulent) viruses develop thanks to so-called 'leaky' vaccines.
While people are mainly concerned about additions to vaccines or new genetic engineering, they would do well to be more concerned about the potential dangers of 'leaking' vaccines to stop dangerous diseases.
According to a study published in 2015 in the journal PLOS Biology, some types of vaccines allow more contagious variants of a virus to survive, making them even more dangerous for unvaccinated people.

To understand this, it is important to know the difference between a 'perfect' vaccine and a 'leaking' vaccine.
Perfect vaccines are perfect because they approach the perfect immunity of someone who has actually survived a childhood illness and then remains immune to this disease for a lifetime.

When a vaccine is perfect, as is the case for childhood diseases such as smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella and measles, it prevents vaccinated children from getting sick and also from transmitting the virus to others.
Over the past 50 years, Marek's disease has progressed from a nasty herpes-like viral disease to a very harmful disease that causes paralysis and cancer in unvaccinated chickens.In the 1970s, the disease was finally suppressed thanks to vaccinations.
However, the virus turned out to be incapable of being eradicated completely and developed into increasingly infectious strains, which now cause more serious tumors and affect chickens at an increasingly younger age.

This is thought to be caused by the vaccine. The Marek vaccine namely a "leaking vaccine". The vaccine protects chickens against disease, but not infection, and the virus can be passed on to other chickens.Inadvertently, the most contagious strains turn out to survive the best.Normally, these contagious variants would kill the chickens so quickly that these variants would become extinct.
But in vaccinated chickens, these variants stay alive because the chicken does not die thanks to the vaccine.
Such a mutated virus is not dangerous for vaccinated chickens, but unvaccinated chickens are now at an increasing risk.

At the moment, this problem is not yet an issue with the usual vaccines. The vaccines for mumps, measles, rubella and smallpox are all "perfect." The vaccine protects against the disease and the viruses cannot multiply even if someone does become infected.
These are highly effective and very safe vaccines that can be administered to children with confidence.

That story does not apply to vaccines that are being developed against diseases such as HIV and malaria.People do not develop lifelong immunity to these diseases when they become infected as they would with a childhood illness like measles. As a result, developing a vaccine has proven to be much more difficult because it will leak to a greater or lesser extent.
It does not mean that you should then no longer be allowed to develop a vaccine at all, but that you should be extremely careful and careful with it and carefully monitor the transmission of viruses in already vaccinated people.

Back in 2015, the Ebola vaccine was the first candidate to be developed.There were also serious concerns about what would happen if such a vaccine leaked and a whole host of dangerous mutants could develop.
After all, this is already the case with animal vaccines. For bird vaccines, this is not only the case with Marek's disease, but also for Newcastle disease and bird flu. In cattle this applies to brucella vaccines.
As a result, in the US and Europe, the entire chicken population in the wider area is being culled when bird flu breaks out while in Asia they continue to use a leaking vaccine, which can develop an increasingly deadly form of bird flu just like that. happened with Marek's disease.

It was the scientist Read, who proposed a theory about the 'imperfect vaccine' in 2001, but it wasn't until 2015 when he finally managed to prove his theory after experiments with chickens.
Both vaccinated and unvaccinated chickens were infected with 5 different variants of the virus that transmits Marek's disease. When unvaccinated chickens were infected with not very harmful virus strains, they produced a lot of virus particles that could spread well and infect other chickens.
However, when these unvaccinated chickens were infected with the most harmful strains of virus, they died before they could transmit the virus.
However, the opposite happened in vaccinated chickens. The less harmful virus strains were almost completely suppressed thanks to the vaccine, but the more harmful viruses were able to multiply and spread freely in the environment without causing the chickens to get sick.

The deadlier strains can roam around in a chicken population. As long as all chickens are vaccinated, there is nothing wrong. The unvaccinated chickens are now at a much greater risk than before once housed with vaccinated chickens.

This is exactly what the theory of the 'imperfect vaccine' predicted.However, there is no hard evidence that the imperfect vaccines caused the development of extremely contagious strains.
Other factors may also play a role, such as that chickens are genetically very similar and that they are generally very tightly housed. One thing is certain, however, that a leaking vaccine cannot prevent infectious viruses from continuing to circulate.
For most chicken farmers, this means that really all chickens should be vaccinated against Marek's disease.Where in 1950 a chicken would just get sick, it now really dies.
You could say that this science should make researchers more careful about the way they develop and test vaccines. Namely, they realize that a leaking vaccine can still transmit viruses and possibly affect the way they mutate.

The big question now is: is that correct? Could a leaking vaccine be the driving force behind more dangerous mutants?
Some researchers, such as the aforementioned Dr Geert Vanden Bossche, are firmly convinced of this.Others laugh away that danger.

What could such a mutation look like?

When SARS-CoV-2 continues to mutate after the introduction of COVID vaccines, it can go in a number of directions.
The most obvious is what is already happening with influenza viruses.Immunity to an influenza virus occurs when antibodies bind to molecules on the surface of such a virus. When they change composition, these specific antibodies can no longer bind properly to the molecule and the virus can escape and multiply.
This explains why a new vaccine against the influenza virus is needed every year. If the same thing happens with the SARS-CoV2, the COVID vaccine will also have to be adjusted every year. This is also what the EC is already anticipating and why it has already ordered nearly 2 billion vaccines for an insane amount from vaccine manufacturers over the next few years.

The mutation of the SARS virus can also go the other way. It could 'go into hiding' by multiplying very slowly and hiding in organs where they are less likely to be detected by the human immune system.
Pathogens such as Lyme disease are only discovered years after the first infection because they have been hiding for all these years and do not cause an acute infection.
It only becomes more dangerous if the virus starts to multiply faster than the vaccine is able to generate resistance in the vaccinated.
Another strategy of a virus can be to attack and weaken the immune system.

Many microorganisms manage to stay alive within the human body because they manage to defeat the immune system. If the SARS-CoV-2 virus were able to do this, then a leaking COVID vaccine will allow that precisely mutants that can do that even better survive and mutate.


Mutation-insensitive vaccines

That is why it is imperative that there is a COVID vaccine that has three properties

. First, they must suppress the multiplication of virus particles so that they do not spread further. No multiplication, no distribution and therefore no mutation.

Secondly, mutation-insensitive vaccines must induce such an immune response that a microorganism is attacked in several places at the same time.
It is quite easy for a virus to mutate in one place and thus escape antibodies.
But if several places are attacked by antibodies at the same time, the virus has to mutate in several places, which is virtually impossible.
This has already been proven with a number of vaccines against SARS-CoV2. The virus turned out to be able to adapt quickly to only 1 type of antibody, but had no defense against a cocktail of antibodies. This also explains why vaccinating with two different vaccines can be more effective than with just 1 vaccine, although it does have more side effects.

Third, a mutation-insensitive vaccine must protect against all currently known variants, so that an unknown variant cannot fill the gap while the other variants are knocked out.


Is the COVID vaccine mutation insensitive?

It is very important to arrive at a vaccine that works permanently.Vaccines that only provide temporary protection leave people vulnerable and it therefore costs more and more money to protect the entire population.
In the worst case, a mutant can develop for which even the combination of three different vaccines will not work.

At a time when mosquitoes have developed that have become resistant to insecticides, weeds that can no longer be killed with herbicides and antibiotic resistance is also widespread (MRSA bacteria!), We cannot afford to take risks with leaking vaccines that allow mutants of SARS-CoV2 to pass unimpeded.
 

mowood3479

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I would assume that if someone dies in an auto accident with a positive pcr for covid would not be counted as a covid death. There’s established protocols for describing cause of death. There’s also established protocols for reporting covid deaths to state health departments, federal government, CDC, etc. If you have evidence that says that these protocols are being ignored, i would like to see it....as long as it’s not some random person on a video. :D

I’m not sure what your point was with 9000 confirmed breakthrough cases. That’s only 0.000075 or 0.0075%. Seems pretty low to me.

You asked how many breakthrough cases had been reported... I answered. I wasn’t making a point.... And yes it does seem low, which is good.
I hope the vaccine is effective and safe as there are millions of my countryman who made the choice to take it.

Obviously if u get an asymptotic infection after being vaccinated you would have no way to tell unless ur in a job that requires constant screening (like the New York Yankees who have now had 9 post vaccination covid infections).
Sure a baseball team is a small sample size but 9 out of 60 isn’t nearly as good as 9000 out of 120 million.
at this point I can only hope the science and data prevails over the fear mongering.
 

Amynamous

Active member
You asked how many breakthrough cases had been reported... I answered. I wasn’t making a point.... And yes it does seem low, which is good.
I hope the vaccine is effective and safe as there are millions of my countryman who made the choice to take it.

Obviously if u get an asymptotic infection after being vaccinated you would have no way to tell unless ur in a job that requires constant screening (like the New York Yankees who have now had 9 post vaccination covid infections).
Sure a baseball team is a small sample size but 9 out of 60 isn’t nearly as good as 9000 out of 120 million.
at this point I can only hope the science and data prevails over the fear mongering.

Did I? I thought i had asked how many have died from covid after receiving the vaccination. I bet that number is even smaller than the break through number. Hopefully, small numbers all around.
I wasn’t aware of the NYYankees post vaccinated infection numbers. That number seems high to me. I wouldn’t be surprised if team members were spreading the infection to one another in the locker room or clubhouse even though they were vaccinated. Hopefully their family members have been vaccinated as well.
 

Amynamous

Active member
You don't have to apologize.In the UK the bureau of statistics came in the news last week that 33% of the Covid death was actually caused by the flu and pneumonia and not by Covid.I wouldn't be surprised that it also counts elsewhere.

I’d like to read more about that but couldn’t find it with a google search.
A link would be greatly appreciated.
 

mowood3479

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Veteran
Seems like u don’t follow the data at all..

MLB like all pro sports has a strict testing regimen. And when you have Covid you can’t play,
The number does seem high... perhaps the vaccine isn’t as effective at preventing infection but does better with preventing serious cases... idk just speculating?
and obviously the number of deaths is lower than the number of breakthrough infections ( it can’t be higher)
ive read 3 deaths but idk I could be mis remembering that number... whatever it was it was quite low. Which is great news... it means this lockdown and mask bullshit is over for good.., absolutely no justification for it
 

mexcurandero420

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Worse Than the Disease? Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19.


ABSTRACT
Operation Warp Speed brought to market in the United States t
wo mRNA vaccines, produced by Pfizer and Moderna. Interim data suggested high efficacy for both of these vaccines, which helped legitimize Emergency
Use Authorization (EUA) by the FDA. However, the exceptionally rapid movement of these vaccines through
controlled trials and into mass deployment raises multiple safety concerns. In this review we first describe the technology underlying these vaccines in detail. We then review both components of and the intended biological response to these vaccines, including production of the spike protein itself, and their potential relationship to a
wide range of both acute and long
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term induced pathologies, such as blood disorders, neurodegenerative diseases
and autoimmune diseases
.
Among these potential induced pathologies, we discuss the relevance of
prion-protein-related amino acid sequences within the spike protein. We also present a brief review of studies
supporting the potential for spike protein “shedding

, transmission of the protein from a vaccinated to an
unvaccinated person, resulting in symptoms induced in the latter.
We finish by addressing a common point of debate, namely, whether or not these vaccines could modify the DNA of those receiving the vaccination. While
there are no studies demonstrating definitively that this is happening, we provide a plausible scenario,
supported by previously established pathways for transformation and transport of genetic material, whereby
injected mRNA could ultimately be incorporated into germ cell DNA for transgenerational transmission. We
conclude with our recommendations regarding surveillance that will help to clarify the long
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term effects of these experimental drugs and allow us to better assess the true risk/benefit ratio of these novel technologies.


https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/34
 

Doctor M

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Total Scam:

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This is why you can't have medicare for all.... The fat people will require to many resources. So naturally
Morbidly obese White House reporter, Yamiche Alcindor urged the Biden Admin to put pressure on the CDC to reverse the updated mask guidance...... Because it's racist...

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covi...r&par=sharebar







UK Government model states the fully Vaccinated will dominate Deaths in 3rd wave and they will blame Children and Unvaccinated for it

32. The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively


https://assets.publishing.service.go...strictions.pdf


A clinical scientist and immunologist-virologist at a southern California laboratory says he and colleagues from 7 universities are suing the CDC for massive fraud.


​​​​​​Dr. Derek Knauss: “When my lab team and I subjected the 1500 supposedly positive Covid-19 samples to Koch’s postulates and put them under an SEM (electron microscope), we found NO Covid in all 1500 samples. We found that all 1500 samples were primarily Influenza A, and some Influenza B, but no cases of Covid. ‘When we sent the rest of the samples to Stanford, Cornell, and a couple of the labs at the University of California, they came up with the same result: NO COVID. They found Influenza A and B. Then we all asked the CDC for viable samples of Covid. The CDC said they can’t give them, because they don’t have those samples.’​​​​​​​

Also the official figures show that after the normal traditional flu season nothing is wrong, and according to the EU statistics (EuroMOMO) there is even a significant lower mortality, the society – if it really was about a virus and public health – should immediately go back to normal to start repairing the huge damage caused by government policies.

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https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
 

flylowgethigh

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A guy on a site I frequent posted a WuFlu story today. It's sad... I don't suppose ABC news will run this story.

I'm in the office watching COIN crash and checking out Russian red heads, and i hear a shwooooooosssshhhhh. And im like, what's that sound? Its coming from the basement corner. I go down stairs and water is everywhere, spraying all over the place. I run to the breaker box and throw the water switch. I check the damage to fine 3 breaks. 1 in a pipe and to in the UV light system. Got a plumber to check it out free of charge hoping for some biz. He said the pipe break is in a tight spot, lots of elbos. Whole piping system in the tank area should be replaced. = $950. New UV system $600. Uhh, no thanks.


I'm gonna look around and i have a creek in the back yard full of water, so that's now my toilet water.


So i was pissed at a seemingly easy pipe fix i thought i could do myself, to some $1500. Pissed to high hell, I call my UV water system repair / service guy.


I have never gone from being so pissed to shock and sadness so fast.


What was shocking and sadness? What could the water system guy say to shock me?


Any guesses?


Well, wait for a stunning story that im getting goosebumps even re thinking.

Ok so here goes. ( my brothers telling me not to leave out any details, lmao )

So i call for the second time ( first time they didnt answer and didnt call me back ) So i ws even more pissed.

A lady answers the phone after a bunch of rings. "Hello?"


Hello? WTF? You're a company, you dont say hello. ( my pised meter just notched higher ).

Me: Yes i've called eariler and no one answered or returned my urgent voice mail.
To which she said something, but i dunno, couldnt make it out, sounded liek she just woke up which pissed me off even more. I didnt respond to what she said and just kept going. "Yes i'bve got some pipe busrts and your syste alose has some breaks with water shooting all over the place. I need someone to come out and replace these cracked / busted end caps. Still pissed i said.... And do you make stronger ones? like mettal? I dont want this happening again.

Then everything went to shit.


She said..."Give me a second to grab my laptop to check your info. I've been sick a dog for a week."

Me.." Oh, im sorry, God i hope you dont have the china virus."

Her..."No, it's the god damn Vax."

Me:... "What? no way! A week in bed?"

Her..." Yes, I can't move. ( starts crying ) all my mussles hurt. I can't get out of bed. My husband helps me to the bathroom and now i have a bed pan. ( sobs more ).

Stunned me, no longer pissed, now so sad for her...."OMG, no way. Im so sorry. Which Vax?


Her.."Moderna, and it's only th first shot. ( starts sobbing again ) i dont want to take the second one but everyine says i have to. ( sobs sobs sobs ).

My heart just sinks. "When did the side effects happen?"

Her...." My husband and me got the shot on Monday morning. In the evening i didnt feel like eating, and went to bed early. At 4am i woke up with pain all over. And it hasn't gone away. ( starts sobbing again ). I haven't eaten in 2 days, only drink things. Gatorade and broth. A few days ago my tongue started hurting so its extremely painful to eat. And now there are red spots on my tounge. I 'm so scared. (Sobs again )."


At this point i dont care 1 wit about my no water issue. Im just shell shocked, floored, goose bumped out the wazoo.


I told her she has gotta go to the ER. and shes said... "what can they do? there is no cure for side effects."

I told her pain meds should work.

Her..."I called 4 doctors and only one ( Bucks county dept of health ) called back."

She said...."This isn't supposed to happen to me. Im 45 years old and healthy. My husband got the shot and he's perfectly fine and i can't get out of bed!! ( starts balling again. )"


I was just agasp. I told her forget about the water. I'll use the creek water for a couple days, my mom and brother will understand. She said she'll have her husband put me at the top of the list. and can be out there late tomorrow. I said fine and wished her well.


She didnt have any hearing loss, but hell if we're talking temp., she'd take that over mussle pains throughout her body for a freaking WEEK!!!

Every couple of days a new Moderna side effect pops up and none have gone away yet. Fuck i'd be scared out of my wits too. But my ass would also be in the MFing ER.


Surreal.

Short Moderna.. lol.
 

Chi13

Well-known member
ICMag Donor

You do realise that this is an international forum, and that vaccines are used worldwide? Thanks for your American conspiracy memes but they mean nothing to anyone outside the US.
 

mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
Veteran
US employees can not be forced to take the vaccine, if severe side effects occur the company can pay for the damage.

New guideline by the American federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration.
 

Hombre del mont

Dr of Stupidity
If you had covid before, you can expect side effects of the vaccination, new study shows.
Our Son in the UK, (He's into the virus/vaccine/official narative, big time), had covid a year ago and was very uwell. A month ago he has his first shot (I forget which it was), he was bed ridden and in much pain for 2 day's. He's excited but nervious to get his next dose!.
In the last few day's he has admitted to us that perhaps all is not as it seems.
 

mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
Veteran
Our Son in the UK, (He's into the virus/vaccine/official narative, big time), had covid a year ago and was very uwell. A month ago he has his first shot (I forget which it was), he was bed ridden and in much pain for 2 day's. He's excited but nervious to get his next dose!.
In the last few day's he has admitted to us that perhaps all is not as it seems.

If your Son it already had last year, than only 1 shot would be enough then having 2.Actually he already had immunity, so question is, was the shot needed.
 
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