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Have You Been Vaccinated?

Have You Been Vaccinated?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 63 31.3%
  • No!

    Votes: 43 21.4%
  • Soon!

    Votes: 15 7.5%
  • No Way!

    Votes: 66 32.8%
  • I Just Wanna Watch!

    Votes: 14 7.0%

  • Total voters
    201

moose eater

Well-known member
It's weird how upset people get about personal choice. Choose to take the vaccine or don't, it's up to you. Trying to shout someone into your position on the matter just makes you an asshole. I grew up in a very evangelical Christian town, most of those Christians tried converting people to their faith because they thought it was the right thing. They used arguments like it's better for humanity or your soul or whatever, pushing you to do what they want because it's good for you and humankind and the children and blah blah, doesn't seem a lot different than the arguments I hear for mass vaccinations. On the converse you get those who rail against that just because they don't want to be told what to do. That's not logical either, that's an emotional point, it's all ego based arguments with no understanding of the other sides position.

I've always looked it like wearing a condom. No one is forced to wear one, but a lot of the time we do because we don't want our dicks to fall off and we don't always trust what others tell us. You also generally know that when you raw dog it, you are taking a risk, a way more enjoyable risk, but a risk none the less. I don't see forums arguing against or for condom use, so how is a vaccine any different. We all die in the end, stop being such pussies about it and live your lives the way you want, stop listening to what others tell you and do you.

-Some vaccinated guy who hates condoms, but also is happy he don't have herpes.
There are, indeed, forums where folks argue about safe sex. That, and the laws holding persons responsible for spreading std's if they knew they were positive for a disease and had unprotected sex with others, despite knowing the facts, and failing to tell their partner..

This forum tends to not be one of those that discusses those issues.

But std's in the US didn't come out of the blue the way that COVID did, and we didn't lose 3 million people (projections being 3 times the earlier recorded and reported numbers) to std's in the US, either, over the last 2+ years.

So I think there are some distinct and meaningful differences, as well as some ommitted similarities..
 
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moose eater

Well-known member
In disussion with my primary care Doc last year some time (we see each other too often, in my opinion, and under the wrong circumstances), we discussed the rare reporting of myocarditis (spelling?) among those who received the vaccinations. But she pointed out that the frequency of this is -much- higher among those who had COVID.

And, just this last week(?) Ely Lilly's vax was decertified, if I read the article correctly.

These things have been and are being watched closely, and we went with what we had, during the earlier versions of COVID, when people were far worse off, as far as severity of symptoms and frequency of mortality.

If you have, or can locate a Physicians' Desk Reference online, or someone else's hard-copy (mine here is a 1991 edition, as I haven't been active in any health related profession for a long while), you'll note that many drugs have several pages of known side-effects. Not all drugs, but many. Maybe most, even.

The clinics no longer typically advise the Yellow Fever vax for foreign travel in most cases, due to the known side effects.

Shingrix kicked my butt for a couple days.

My full-on Moderna COVID shots kicked my ass for the same time period each time; 3 full doses. I hardly felt anything other than the jab site for the Moderna boosters, however, whether the first one that was the previous/earlier version of the booster, or the second one that was Omicron specific.

Some people can't eat peanuts or drink milk without lethal reactions, either.

SSRIs are one group or class of drugs that I was familiar with among my clients, and one for which the Pharmaceutical folks buried the negative data re. homicidal and suicidal ideation among some of the patients using these drugs.

I saw symptoms among some of my clients, and reported this to our consulting Shrink at the time, and his response was a patent, "There's no data to support that in the research/literature." That was because it had been buried, and it later came out.

Again, they've already removed, or are removing, Ely Lilly's COVID vax from the market, per my reading last week or so (+/-)

If others depend on all of our being vaccinated in order to prevent heavier viral loads being transmitted, or reducing frequency of transmissions, then I figure we either need to comply with that, for ourselves and others, or find ways to limit making our aerosolized saliva available to others. One or the other. Maybe both.... definitely both, imo.

We go with what we have, and hopefully with someone/something of a focus beyond ME, MINE, etc. in mind in our decision-making.

Few of us here live in bubbles. It's why we sentence drunk drivers.
 
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moose eater

Well-known member
talking "mask madness" again, are we? :biggrin: you are right, as usual. unpopular, but right... :good:
My daughter's coming to visit briefly in the next several months. She's an RN, and works the majority of her time in an ER for women and children. In consideration of our circumstances here, she knows that if she's planning to stay here indoors, she'll be required to sequester for a week before arriving, test 2-3 times during that week, wear an Elipse P-100 while in transit on the aircraft, airports, and in public places (I can ger one for about $30) (*for us and for her benefit) with a surgery mask over it (for others) like the ones we wear routinely in public places (same masks FEMA had their people wearing at the outset, though I didn't know that until they under-cut me on a deal out of a Nevada warehouse on replacement filters), and any venturing out would require the same prophylactic protocol.

She'll be staying with a friend instead, for whom she's coming up to asssist in a C-section procedure for her friend/'s baby's birthing, as my daughter's primary focus early on, before ER, was OBGYN.

She'll be visiting here around our fire pit outdoors, where we can stay relatively warm, and share some campfire chow.

I may love or care for someone, but I have no reason to roll the dice on letting them kill me.

John Prine stayed with his wife after she became infected, no separation, per se'. John Prine died after he contracted COVID from his wife. There are safety protocols that might have seen them share space, without the outcome that came to be.

Unnecessary, but for education, some semblance of self-discipline, and what some see as a HORRIBLE inconvenience.. THE MASKS, BOSS, THE MASKS!!!!.

All in all I think we've become a lazy, self entitled culture, ignoring what we're otherwise bright enough to understand.

Darwin award recipients in the making, with scant concern as to who we 'take out' as long as we don't have to wear that horribly unbearable mask. (sarcasm).

I doubt we could PAY people to act so fucking stupid, yet here we are..
 
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Three Berries

Active member
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moose eater

Well-known member
Like many simple(ton) memes, that's not what the data shows at all.

The current 58% mortality rate involving vaccinated persons (once again) includes a huge swath of people who had one shot, or a shot and a booster, or similar, didn't stay current in that process, and received those shots long enough ago that there is little value remaining in those shots at this time.

It's a simple thing to understand, and all it requires is a desire to do so. Obviously lacking in some.

That's a more accurate interpretation.. from accredited and reviewed med. journals.

But hey, memes are fun and informative, right??

And no one at our home was told to go away. They were told that if they were to stay here, there are uncompromisable protocols for such... Protocols which have kept us healthy, relatively speaking, since the beginning.

Keep retrieving that quality, peer-reviewed, accreditied material though. It takes up bandwidth. and cheaply (in at least one way) feeds the conspiracy theorists among us. They seem hungry today, too..
 
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G.O. Joe

Well-known member
Veteran
Some have made the claim that all this is not political. Do the brainwashed give any indication? What tendencies do they have? How do they really feel about the health of the country and their children, compared to how they say they feel? Would the R's like me to prove that the D's are a bunch of control freak Nazis? For the record, a Reuters quote from yesterday:

Nearly three in 10 adults (28%) said parents should be able to decide not to vaccinate their children for measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) in a recent Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) survey...Opposition to required childhood inoculations was strongest among those who identified as Republican in the survey, with 44% now opposed to childhood school vaccine mandates, up from 20% before the pandemic. Among those identifying as Democrats, 88% still support school vaccine mandates.
 

moose eater

Well-known member
Some have made the claim that all this is not political. Do the brainwashed give any indication? What tendencies do they have? How do they really feel about the health of the country and their children, compared to how they say they feel? Would the R's like me to prove that the D's are a bunch of control freak Nazis? For the record, a Reuters quote from yesterday:

Nearly three in 10 adults (28%) said parents should be able to decide not to vaccinate their children for measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) in a recent Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) survey...Opposition to required childhood inoculations was strongest among those who identified as Republican in the survey, with 44% now opposed to childhood school vaccine mandates, up from 20% before the pandemic. Among those identifying as Democrats, 88% still support school vaccine mandates.
With numerous illnesses that were once more or less extinguished, now making a come-back. To include Tuberculosis here in (especially rural) Alaska.

edit: https://stateofreform.com/featured/...-highest-rate-for-tuberculosis-in-the-nation/
 
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mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
Veteran
Conspiracy theory has been used a lot for the last two years by the msm, so-called provax scientists who were in the news, talk shows etc, but at the moment a drama is emerging in the hospitals of several countries.

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Link above is about the UK.In Germany the same situation is going on.Another thing Germany has like in other countries is the increase in excess deaths since 2021.

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