Have You Been Vaccinated?

[Amynamous]

Lets for the sake of argument assume that you are correct. That still do not answer my question as to how a vaccine would help me survive this relatively mild flu-like virus. Furthermore, should these numbers be broken down it would become evident that there is a correlation in relation to age and disease, such as obesity..

Personally speaking, my family members and my closest friends mean everything to me. Some of them are older and others have some pre-existing conditions, including heart disease. I would do anything to protect them from this disease. As a nurse, I have a very pretty decent understanding why a virus that attacks the vascular system can be both a serious immediate threat to some of them as well as as a potential longer term threat to others should they get infected. I believe I read that 25% of the infected are coming down with long term/permanent effects. If I got one of them infected, I’d feel guilty for the rest of my life.

And while I realize i can still get infected and pass the virus on to others, evidence shows that it’s less likely to happen if I’m vaccinated.

On a less personal note, i would argue:
(1) that for the majority of people, the risk of ending up in the hospital from covid is a hell of a lot higher than the risk of having a serious reaction to the available vaccines. And there’s several vaccines to choose from depending upon where you live.
(2) It’s a frickin vascular virus! Simply speaking, wherever you have blood vessels, this virus can go there and attack and destroy. The virus enjoys living in the blood vessels in the lungs, but they’ll take a vacation to your heart, or your brains or your kidneys.

 

[entropical]

Mostly. Then sometimes it gets a perfectly healthy adult or child sick and leaves them dead.

Plus. It probably sucks to die or lose a loved one regardless if you are overweight or not. At least I would assume are not thrilled about it.

Of course, take the vaccine then if you are in a risk group. And sure there are examples of ”healthy” adults who die from covid, most likely had a disease that was never diagnosed. In fact there will be many of those coming up as a result of the lockdowns, and many of them will die - with or without covid.

Still waiting for an answer to the question of how a vaccine would help me survive a virus that I already survived..

 

[entropical]

Personally speaking, my family members and my closest friends mean everything to me. Some of them are older and others have some pre-existing conditions, including heart disease. I would do anything to protect them from this disease. As a nurse, I have a very pretty decent understanding why a virus that attacks the vascular system can be both a serious immediate threat to some of them as well as as a potential longer term threat to others should they get infected. I believe I read that 25% of the infected are coming down with long term/permanent effects. If I got one of them infected, I’d feel guilty for the rest of my life.

And while I realize i can still get infected and pass the virus on to others, evidence shows that it’s less likely to happen if I’m vaccinated.

Advice them to get vaccinated then, take it yourself if you want - I just don’t see the issue here..

On a less personal note, i would argue:
(1) that for the majority of people, the risk of ending up in the hospital from covid is a hell of a lot higher than the risk of having a serious reaction to the available vaccines. And there’s several vaccines to choose from depending upon where you live.
(2) It’s a frickin vascular virus! Simply speaking, wherever you have blood vessels, this virus can go there and attack and destroy. The virus enjoys living in the blood vessels in the lungs, but they’ll take a vacation to your heart, or your brains or your kidneys.

62 percent of injected will have a positive d-dimer, and as for your comparison it would well be true for certain at risk groups. Most of us, however, do not have the predisposition or risk of a serious reaction to this virus. Certainly not people like myself, who have had the virus and thus have a natural immunity.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Of course, take the vaccine then if you are in a risk group. And sure there are examples of ”healthy” adults who die from covid, most likely had a disease that was never diagnosed. In fact there will be many of those coming up as a result of the lockdowns, and many of them will die - with or without covid.

Still waiting for an answer to the question of how a vaccine would help me survive a virus that I already survived..

So if people die from covid due to preexisting condition they do not know about that's just ok?

And the vaccine is to help others not catch covid. If you want to see if you can live through it twice go right ahead. Personally I think it sucked. My lungs still are not right and it has been 7 months. It's pretty miserable to wonder if I will ever be able to really exert myself again and not have my lungs hurt.

 

[Hammerhead]

Hospitals are packed with unvaccinated covid people, so now all these health care professionals are unable to provide health care to those that need it because of those that made a poor choice TO NOT GET VACCINATED. If you catch COVID-19 don't go running to the ER because you can't breathe. You made the choice to either live or die by that choice.. The comments some make are Ludacris.

 

[Amynamous]

Advice them to get vaccinated then, take it yourself if you want - I just don’t see the issue here..


62 percent of injected will have a positive d-dimer, and as for your comparison it would well be true for certain at risk groups. Most of us, however, do not have the predisposition or risk of a serious reaction to this virus. Certainly not people like myself, who have had the virus and thus have a natural immunity.

In the original scenario I quoted above, your prior infection status was never introduced as a variable, so i did not include it in my response.
That being said, i suspect your prior infection doesn’t provide the level of immunity you assume it does.

 

[Amynamous]

Hospitals are packed with unvaccinated covid people, so now all these health care professionals are unable to provide health care to those that need it because of those that made a poor choice TO NOT GET VACCINATED. If you catch COVID-19 don't go running to the ER because you can't breathe. You made the choice to either live or die by that choice.. The comments some make are Ludacris.

82,000 covid related hospital admissions in the past week.
More than 98% of them were unvaccinated.

 

[entropical]

So if people die from covid due to preexisting condition they do not know about that's just ok?

I never advocated lockdowns - people should do their checkups and keep a healthy active lifestyle. Any politician who is responsible for preventing people from being diagnosed and treated have blood on their hands. In this sense we are talking not only about people dying not only from covid but also from cancer etc.

And the vaccine is to help others not catch covid.

Obviously that’s why they take it, to not catch it. I mean you take a vaccine in order to create an immune response. And if you already had it, then you have immunity and a far better immunity than what you would get from this vaccine had you not gotten sick. It doesn’t work very good, this vaccine.

If you want to see if you can live through it twice go right ahead. Personally I think it sucked. My lungs still are not right and it has been 7 months. It's pretty miserable to wonder if I will ever be able to really exert myself again and not have my lungs hurt.

If you had it then you are immune and would not need to live through it again. A natural immunity does not wear off like these jabs do.

Sorry to hear you had rough time, for me it was very mild. What is your doctor saying? Vaping some good thc/cbd shouldn’t hurt at least, the plant is beneficial.

 

[entropical]

In the original scenario I quoted above, your prior infection status was never introduced as a variable, so i did not include it in my response.
That being said, i suspect your prior infection doesn’t provide the level of immunity you assume it does.

I don’t assume anything, it gives a stronger immunity than the poison jab and that for me is enough.

 

[entropical]

Hospitals are packed with unvaccinated covid people, so now all these health care professionals are unable to provide health care to those that need it because of those that made a poor choice TO NOT GET VACCINATED. If you catch COVID-19 don't go running to the ER because you can't breathe. You made the choice to either live or die by that choice.. The comments some make are Ludacris.

You must have missed reports from England, of hospitals packed with injected. Not getting vaccinated is maybe a poor choice if you are obese, like most americans are..

 

[BudToaster]

(trying to remember some statistics) 40% obese 70% overweight. if only we had some epidemiology that explains why the obese are not all dying: not exposed, yet - not that fatal a disease - well, it's anybody's guess without more SCIENCE!!!

 

[Amynamous]

I know for a fact that many people have significant chronic health issues like diabetes, high blood pressure or kidney disease and are completely unaware.

Just curious. Open question to the audience.
How many of us have had a recent full blood panel done and can quote their A1c and their eGFR?

 

[NEW ENGLAND]

1 month ago.....and within Normal range
Although the EKG sucked ass

 

[Hammerhead]

You must have missed reports from England, of hospitals packed with injected. Not getting vaccinated is maybe a poor choice if you are obese, like most americans are..

Hospitals are not overflowing from those that have been vaccinated, that's total nonsense you post to make yourself feel better from a poor choice. I can find as many fat asses in England as in the USA. Does it surprise me that you look for other reasons to hate on the people of the USA nope. Weak minded people will always ridicule those that are different.

 

[1G12]

Just got my flu vaccine today!

 

[CaptainDankness]

Hospitals are packed with unvaccinated covid people, so now all these health care professionals are unable to provide health care to those that need it because of those that made a poor choice TO NOT GET VACCINATED. If you catch COVID-19 don't go running to the ER because you can't breathe. You made the choice to either live or die by that choice.. The comments some make are Ludacris.

Didn't plan on running to the ER. Damn sure not getting 3 shots and if I lose my job cool, I make more money selling weed anyway I just like to work.

In other words...

 

[NEW ENGLAND]

Just got my flu vaccine today!

Very wise , I don't usually get a flu vaccine ,always around sick people ,and think my immune system has built up pretty well due to so much exposure.This year I'll get the flu vac so I dont carry it to a patient who may be compromised.Hate getting these jabs when I feel I'd fair well , but at least I can say I tried not to harm a client who trusted me.
To each their own though , I guess we all pick our battles.The unfortunate part of a contagion is ultimately you can't just think of yourself,unless you're really off the grid,and then you wouldn't have access to a vac I guess.
I worked a full covid unit today , with people from 40 years old and up , not one of them obthe.To be honest it sucks to see the fear in their eyes , with no family at bedside .Best you can do is talk with the ones not intubated , and hold a hand.Doesnt matter if they're 70 or 80 years old , they want to see their families.
Covid sucks for all of us.

 

[BudToaster]

Weak minded people will always ridicule those that are different.

like people who ridicule the control group who don't get jabbed.

 

[Hammerhead]

like people who ridicule the control group who don't get jabbed.

lol, only when you think common sense and real facts are ridiculous. Unfortunately, we have way too many dumbasses living today. Hell, I'm just waiting for "them" to start shooting. At this rate, it should be soon.

According to the GOP, the CA gov recall has already been lost. There telling people to start dipping into the ammo box and not trust the ballot boxes anymore. ALL DUMBASSES !!!!

 

[armedoldhippy]

And? I am not using it, so why would I have a problem with it?

earlier, you did not seem to grasp the concept of small amounts of certain poisons being medicinally effective. those were very situationally relevant examples whether they are ones you are taking or not.