Have they though?

[moose eater]

Roger Ramjet just entered my vocabulary. Never heard of the cartoon. Google knows him.

"(He popped) a proton pill in his mouth", turned into a super-hero, and went about saving the world.

And to make him that much more honorable and admirable, he was a jet fighter pilot, too!! Representing the MIC while he was saving the world!!

Pills took on a whole new meaning at that point, eh?

No one had to convince me to take my chewable vitamins after that. In fact, I took them to school in quantity for recess, and acted out the cartoon regularly. Probably a wonder my kidneys and liver are still intact.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Pills took on a whole new meaning at that point, eh?

my mom worked pretty much the same trick on me using Popeye the Sailor Man. it was so cool seeing his muscles bulge after he ate his spinach...and watching him kicking Brutus/Blutos ass! wow! i still eat the stuff now, 60 years later.

 

[X15]

Just an added tid-bit…
My gf is a special education teacher and works in socal for a public district. She’s been at it for over 20 years now and has worked at about 6 dif schools and two district.
*Schools do get special funding for their programs which are designed around the needs of ”Special Needs” children, and yeah I’m sure a lot of that money goes places unseen… so that is a thing yes…. but she has been complaining to me for years now, even before the pan%&$=$ BS… that the population has blown up in her district and surrounding districts so much that they don’t have space for Diagnosed children, resulting in a lot of children being on waiting lists or being in limbo in a number of ways *in the system*. But check this out, the ratios of actual special needs classes with classified“ children and dedicated seats vs. children in regular classes that are beyond struggling on low basics with obvious signs of limitations or retardation or developmental skills (shes a seasoned pro with these kids and has dedicated her life to helping them succeed), plus children that are in the system but not attending school for whatever reasons far exceeds the actaul classes set up and in operation for “special needs”. There’s just too many of them now. Its fuckin nuts how many kids she has to deal with on the daily and there’s a sickening amount of kids that don’t even go to school right now for way too many reasons.
So it’s easy to see the system is broken, but I’m not willing to stand back and believe its a problem of doctors wrongly diagnosing kids.
Im no expert but Chemicals could be at fault here, both intentional and non intentional. Damn near every family I know now has a diagnosed for sure autistic kid and some have multiple.

edit* Just to help validate some of what I said,.. two years ago she was asked to work on a special team of teachers which work with the Children in the middle… where they do long assessments sometimes short, sometimes two school years before they either go back to regular classes or make it into permanent special needs programs. She has well over the class size limit of children put on her case load 99 percent of the school year. But never has she told me she wishes more of her kids were on meds, the opposite… she often comes home bummed out that she had kids come to class nodding off obviously intoxicated off their medications. She complains that the Medication being used currently is very debilitating for most kids and makes them very non responsive.

 

[St. Phatty]

Been 'varieties' of autistic disorders for a long time, too.

Some very high-functioning persons with variants of autism, to include Aspergers Syndrome.

How many ADHD/ADD youngsters were autistic but misdiagnosed? Fixation on a specific topic, thing, etc. and difficulty transitioning in their focus might look like ADD to many.

I likely warranted a Dx of Asperger's as a kid.. Never got one.

On the other hand, there's lots of money to be made in the 'soft-sciences', such as psychology. When I quit direct service work in MH, a licensed clinician in private practice was asking about $150/hour(+/-). Many these days are in the $450 range(+/-), and get a decent percentage of that via negotiated rates with insurance companies.

People talk about Autism like it's a bad thing.

Asperger's itself is very common among Silicon Valley nerds.

One of my favorite co-workers displayed Asperger's symptoms, which sometimes manifests as socially inappropriate behavior.

He had a nervous habit of beat-boxing, or mouth-harping, or whatever you want to call it, while sitting at the lab bench working on high-voltage circuits.

Way better than this guy on Oprah.

 

[X15]

It’s not a bad thing @St. Phatty ,
I believe it’s something we all Exhibit in some way or another, theres just cases which can be difficult for society to appreciate. Fuck society though!

 

[pop_rocks]

Just an added tid-bit…
My gf is a special education teacher and works in socal for a public district. She’s been at it for over 20 years now and has worked at about 6 dif schools and two district.
*Schools do get special funding for their programs which are designed around the needs of ”Special Needs” children, and yeah I’m sure a lot of that money goes places unseen… so that is a thing yes…. but she has been complaining to me for years now, even before the pan%&$=$ BS… that the population has blown up in her district and surrounding districts so much that they don’t have space for Diagnosed children, resulting in a lot of children being on waiting lists or being in limbo in a number of ways *in the system*. But check this out, the ratios of actual special needs classes with classified“ children and dedicated seats vs. children in regular classes that are beyond struggling on low basics with obvious signs of limitations or retardation or developmental skills (shes a seasoned pro with these kids and has dedicated her life to helping them succeed), plus children that are in the system but not attending school for whatever reasons far exceeds the actaul classes set up and in operation for “special needs”. There’s just too many of them now. Its fuckin nuts how many kids she has to deal with on the daily and there’s a sickening amount of kids that don’t even go to school right now for way too many reasons.
So it’s easy to see the system is broken, but I’m not willing to stand back and believe its a problem of doctors wrongly diagnosing kids.
Im no expert but Chemicals could be at fault here, both intentional and non intentional. Damn near every family I know now has a diagnosed for sure autistic kid and some have multiple.

edit* Just to help validate some of what I said,.. two years ago she was asked to work on a special team of teachers which work with the Children in the middle… where they do long assessments sometimes short, sometimes two school years before they either go back to regular classes or make it into permanent special needs programs. She has well over the class size limit of children put on her case load 99 percent of the school year. But never has she told me she wishes more of her kids were on meds, the opposite… she often comes home bummed out that she had kids come to class nodding off obviously intoxicated off their medications. She complains that the Medication being used currently is very debilitating for most kids and makes them very non responsive.

great post man
i think part of the problem is the borderline students, kids who dont fit into the mainstream curriculum and may have some sort of learning disability
they do need special help? the truth is most arent college material, but that dosent mean they dont have skills and cant live happy and productive lives
what happened to shop class? or other vocational training
auto, metal work or plumbing come to mind; a good welder makes bank and anyone in a good trade can earn good a living
but too many spots are taken up by the marginal kids who parents make the most noise
all kids deserve the best education we can provide them, but just like a lot of social services there are only so many seats at the table and a lot of kids fall between the cracks unfortunately

 

[moose eater]

People talk about Autism like it's a bad thing.

Asperger's itself is very common among Silicon Valley nerds.

One of my favorite co-workers displayed Asperger's symptoms, which sometimes manifests as socially inappropriate behavior.

He had a nervous habit of beat-boxing, or mouth-harping, or whatever you want to call it, while sitting at the lab bench working on high-voltage circuits.

Way better than this guy on Oprah.

Depends on the type of autism and the degree of disability. If a person loses context and awareness of surrounding conditions, others, or activities, it can be a seriously dangerous state of being for some.

Less with variations such as Aspergers.

 

[RobFromTX]

I worked as an orderly at a state hospital when i was younger. Self harm was a real problem for some of them. I remember one guy had neck popping issues and everytime it happened he would start beating the back of his neck, sometimes with objects when he could get to them, to the point of bleeding. He'd come in sometimes with wounds. A lot of them have much deeper sound perception. Besides a general dislike for being touched, loud noises from other patients could trigger something unpleasant. Ofcourse these were the patients with severe cases and there wasnt that many at the time but this was 17 years ago. I can only imagine how much the situation has changed by now. Not just at a capacity level but also general care. I know most of the staff i worked with didnt have the patience or the stomach for such an environment. My hat is off to those who can though. Its a tough job and very emotionally taxing

 

[madalasatori]

I was at a party not long ago and my buddies wife is a teacher. Her and 3 or 4 of her fellow teachers were talking and I overheard one of them say,

"The most important thing in a child's education is having them on the proper medication. You can't teach a child who isn't properly medicated."

I stopped and asked if I really heard what I heard. Very proudly, they all agreed. When I asked how many of them were on psychotropic drugs, they just scowled at me.

I weep for the future.

My sister is a headteacher at one of the most prestigious schools in London England and she is on a cocktail of anti psychotics. The head is also quite literally psychotic. Teachers here are all fucking mental

 

[Brother Nature]

Roger Ramjet...

 

[moose eater]

My sister is a headteacher at one of the most prestigious schools in London England and she is on a cocktail of anti psychotics. The head is also quite literally psychotic. Teachers here are all fucking mental

My older son had a teacher (2nd grade?) who was, at that time, a spouse to a local guitarist in a band we had play for legalization fund-raisers a time or 2.

My son, who was 'different' but quite bright, ended up in her class during the time she was in a divorce with her musician husband. Cause for resentment of men?

It was clear to me that at that time (and maybe before and after?) she had very limited tolerance for active easily-distractable, bright young boys. She wanted them to be docile. Easily managed. Quiet, Able to regurgitate her instruction on command.

She was out of her league and teaching a mixed gender class, when she ought to have stuck to teaching in a girls' school..

Likely one of the least productive years our already-challenged son had.

 

[X15]

great post man
i think part of the problem is the borderline students, kids who dont fit into the mainstream curriculum and may have some sort of learning disability
they do need special help? the truth is most arent college material, but that dosent mean they dont have skills and cant live happy and productive lives
what happened to shop class? or other vocational training
auto, metal work or plumbing come to mind; a good welder makes bank and anyone in a good trade can earn good a living
but too many spots are taken up by the marginal kids who parents make the most noise
all kids deserve the best education we can provide them, but just like a lot of social services there are only so many seats at the table and a lot of kids fall between the cracks unfortunately

thanks bud. @pop_rocks And I totally agree with you. The main stream is all computer or tablet driven now.
and we can’t leave out the fact theirs minds are pushed and pulled in every direction these days, starting at a very young age.
So these kids are told to pay attention to the same thing they use to distract themselves the rest of the day. Just that the other shit they do on those tablets and computers are straight up high jacking their minds. It’s fucking nuts!
I hope shop class and P.E. make a comeback. Cooking class or something. They are deprived of the basics now and to me it’s feeling more and more like it could get worse. But Imma stay positive and say I hope theirs up and coming teachers out there that are really willing to put in the hard work and help our Youth. I know they are out there.

 

[moose eater]

thanks bud. @pop_rocks And I totally agree with you. The main stream is all computer or tablet driven now.
and we can’t leave out the fact theirs minds are pushed and pulled in every direction these days, starting at a very young age.
So these kids are told to pay attention to the same thing they use to distract themselves the rest of the day. Just that the other shit they do on those tablets and computers are straight up high jacking their minds. It’s fucking nuts!
I hope shop class and P.E. make a comeback. Cooking class or something. They are deprived of the basics now and to me it’s feeling more and more like it could get worse. But Imma stay positive and say I hope theirs up and coming teachers out there that are really willing to put in the hard work and help our Youth. I know they are out there.

We have a high school in our school district, which students from all over the school district can attend if they apply and are accepted.

All 3 of my children graduated from there.

It offers not only standard high school curriculum, but also welding, small engine repair, auto shop (both advanced and basic), construction/carpentry, EMT/medical/pre-nursing training, along with CNA (certified nurses' aid) training, culinary arts/cooking (a University of Alaska-Fairbanks series of courses, but taught at the high school in reference, as that school has the facilites, so the University students come down to that high school for their courses), and more..

Sometimes the -basic- curriculum was lacking, in my opinion, and other times it was adequate or better. In great part depending on the instructor.

All of my 3 children spent time routinely on the honor roll there, with only one of them bouncing up and down in his marks over time; the other 2 were fairly steadily in the honors group. One (my daughter ) is now an RN, making very good income, my younger son is a mechanic, making OK money at his job, but making much better money on side jobs, and my older son, the one who bounced up and down in his grades, (partly out of boredom and stubbornness, in my opinion) drives for a living.

My younger son, who had steadier membership in their honors group than his older brother, was in conflict with us last year (still is, really), and we discussed 'reconciliation' with him as a process. His mother suspected he didn't understand the term, but was too proud to say so, so she asked him directly if he knew what the word 'reconciliaton' meant. He said, "No." We explained it to him, as basic as the concept is. (His mother holds numerous university degrees, including a degree in English, experimental psych, and, previously, a teacher's certificate. I have a professional degree as well as undergrad degree; the household was not absent varied educational opportunities.

It blew my mind a bit that a student who'd spent the majority of 4 years on the high school honor roll was unfamiliar with the definition of/for the word 'reconciliation' whether it applied to human relationships, a check book, or another context..

Though, again, anecdotal in nature, it epitomized -some- of the short-comings of vocational schools. even those with high school accreditation..