halal meat

[scuba80]

whats everyone views on halal meat I think its shocking

 

[D. B. Doober]

I am against halal and kosher meats. Hopefully things change. It is cruel.

 

[foomar]

Have no problem with it myself , the meat from a traditional Halal butcher is usually of a higher quality than most found in supermarkets and is only sold fresh and chilled.

My local one sells chicken within a few hours of slaughter , cant get fresher than that.
And it has not been injected with saline to bulk it up or wrapped in plastic trays and cling film.

In the UK 80% of Halal is actually stunned before cutting , the objections stirred up in the media here are more anti moslem than science based , who gives a shit if someone says a prayer whilst doing it.

Kosher animals are not stunned , few complaints about that for fear of being labelled anti-Semitic.

Is Islamic slaughter cruel?

The question of how an animal should be slaughtered to avoid cruelty is a different one. It is true that when the blood flows from the throat of an animal it looks violent, but just because meat is now bought neatly and hygienically packaged on supermarket shelves does not mean the animal didn’t have to die? Non-Islamic slaughter methods dictate that the animal should be rendered unconscious before slaughter. This is usually achieved by stunning or electrocution. Is it less painful to shoot a bolt into a sheep’s brain or to ring a chicken’s neck than to slit its throat? To watch the procedure does not objectively tell us what the animal feels.


The scientific facts

A team at the university of Hannover in Germany examined these claims through the use of EEG and ECG records during slaughter. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all the animals used in the experiment and they were then allowed to recover for several weeks. Some of the animals were subsequently slaughtered the halal way by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides together with the trachea and esophagus but leaving the spinal cord intact. The remainder were stunned before slaughter using a captive bolt pistol method as is customary in Western slaughterhouses. The EEG and ECG recordings allowed to monitor the condition of the brain and heart throughout.


The Halal method

With the halal method of slaughter, there was not change in the EEG graph for the first three seconds after the incision was made, indicating that the animal did not feel any pain from the cut itself. This is not surprising. Often, if we cut ourselves with a sharp implement, we do not notice until some time later. The following three seconds were characterised by a condition of deep sleep-like unconciousness brought about by the draining of large quantities of blood from the body. Thereafter the EEG recorded a zero reading, indicating no pain at all, yet at that time the heart was still beating and the body convulsing vigorously as a reflex reaction of the spinal cord. It is this phase which is most unpleasant to onlookers who are falsely convinced that the animal suffers whilst its brain does actually no longer record any sensual messages.


The Western method

Using the Western method, the animals were apparently unconscious after stunning, and this method of dispatch would appear to be much more peaceful for the onlooker. However, the EEG readings indicated severe pain immediately after stunning. Whereas in the first example, the animal ceases to feel pain due to the brain starvation of blood and oxygen – a brain death, to put it in laymen’s terms – the second example first causes a stoppage of the heart whilst the animal still feels pain. However, there are no unsightly convulsions, which not only means that there is more blood retention in the meat, but also that this method lends itself much more conveniently to the efficiency demands of modern mass slaughter procedures. It is so much easier to dispatch an animal on the conveyor belt, if it does not move.


Appearances can deceive

Not all is what it seems, then. Those who want to outlaw Islamic slaughter, arguing for a humane method of killing animals for food, are actually more concerned about the feelings of people than those of the animals on whose behalf they appear to speak. The stunning method makes mass butchery easier and looks more palatable for the consumer who can deceive himself that the animal did not feel any pain when he goes to buy his cleanly wrapped parcel of meat from the supermarket. Islamic slaughter, on the other hand, does not try to deny that meat consumption means that animals have to die, but is designed to ensure that their loss of life is achieved with a minimum amount of pain.

 

[GSPfan]

Thats a pretty messed up quote foomar. The animal has a horrifying death but it's all good because they feel no pain? Sick bastards trying to twist words into making it seem like a conscious animal getting it's throat slit is somehow more humane then instant death. It pisses me off that ignorant religious beliefs are more important then being humane.

 

[Stoner4Life]

Halal meat all the way! best quality unless you're slaughtering livestock yourself.

I often visit a Somali neighborhood in Mnpls while on my way to doctors appts @ the Twin Cities Spine Center, I have a great lunch and stuff a cooler to take some meats home as well.

 

[foomar]

The animal has a horrifying death but it's all good because they feel no pain?

It only looks horrific to soft minded people who have never butchered anything themselves.

 

[siftedunity]

Some meats need to be hung or matured for a better flavour but apart from that who cares? As long as theres no animal cruelty I dont really mind.

 

[siftedunity]

It only looks horrific to soft minded people who have never butchered anything themselves.

Yup.. I personally think you shouldnt eat meat unless you would be willing to kill it yourself.

 

[Storm Shadow]

We should be more concerned with Human Cruelty towards one another rather than Livestock...

Damn I must be one hell of a bastard when I fish with live bait.....

 

[SativaBreather]

aside from the moment of death, what about the life the animal lead prior?
all meat involves suffering no matter how it is killed.
Flesh does not need flesh to survive.
Eating meat is bad karma, sentient beings should not eat other sentient beings.

 

[SativaBreather]

double post

 

[Stoner4Life]

It only looks horrific to soft minded people who have never butchered anything themselves.

Yup.. I personally think you shouldnt eat meat unless you would be willing to kill it yourself.

whatever I kill, I clean & butcher to the best of my ability; I buy local beef & chicken but pass on helping the farmers slaughter, the chicken I get delivered on ice from one family. I usually help the other farmer with the wrapping of the beef as he butchers away. He enjoys the company of several hours, I get great cuts, he shaves a few bucks for the help and it's amazing to watch a craftsman work, people should certainly see where their food comes from.


I've often posted that our urban members ought to drive into the country and find a beef cattle farmer that sells to the public, they might be offered that farms prepackaged beef, fresh or frozen, or they might get an invite to help do the wrapping & marking of their beef as it gets cut.

I can guarantee it'll be fresh, tender and will have superior flavor, you enjoy the knowledge of safe handling from field to table, there's nothing better than having complete confidence in your food sources.

oh yeah, have a small chest freezer ready @ home, the more you buy from a farmer the cheaper in gets

 

[WelderDan]

I wonder if the Lion is concerned how the Wildebeest feels about being eaten. Probably not. Nature is pretty cruel.

Humans are animals. That we act as such shouldn't surprise anyone.

As a country boy, I'm well aware of how animals get from pasture to plate. Killing to eat is killing to eat. As long as you aren't going out of your way to torture the animal, I see no issue. Slitting the throat is a method that has been used for centuries. It is probably less cruel than some of the ways animals die of "natural causes." I still don't see a problem.

 

[MJBadger]

In the UK 80% of Halal is actually stunned before cutting

The very rich top man in Halal butchery in the UK was on tv around 2 weeks ago answering this same question about Halal meats , he has one big MF slaughterhouse & said that around 10% is stunned before cut . A lot of supermarkets in Britain sell Halal without any info on the label .
I`m a meat eater , have killed & butchered animals & spent 2 months helping in a slaughterhouse back in 76 , I will not eat Halal or Kosher as any animal deserves as painless a death as possible . Should be outlawed .

 

[foomar]

Stunning is no guarantee of a humane kill , its a way of speeding up throughput , halal shows far more respect for the individual animal and is less mechanised , takes longer so costs a bit more
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The kind of casual abuse and sadism often seen and videoed in western slaughterhouses rarely happens in halal.

Have personally killed sheep and goats in the halal way , often the animal does not even realise it has been cut and quietly bleeds out , the knife is as sharp as a scalpel.

A stunned animal cannot move and thrash about , but still feels pain as it is often cut up still alive , a halal killed animal is definitely dead before the rest of the process begins.

Each year in the UK five million electrically stunned sheep regain consciousness before they die from loss of blood. Researchers at Bristol University have found that after electric stunning, sheep are still able to feel pain and may still be fully aware of their surroundings. Sheep are unable to cry out because the massive electric current used to stun them paralyses them.

Nearly a quarter of a million cattle are shot at least twice or knifed to death while still conscious. Every year nearly two million pigs which have been electrically stunned regain consciousness before they die.

Around a quarter of a million pigs are incorrectly stunned and don't lose consciousness at all.

At least sixty million chickens, turkeys, geese and ducks regain consciousness and then die slowly from loss of blood. Nearly ten million birds are put into the scalding tank while still conscious.

Tens of millions of animals are fully conscious as they hang upside down, in shackles, bleeding to death.

British newspapers often carry stories of animal cruelty abroad. Few ever dare mention what goes on in British abattoirs.

Globally, the animal killing industry is now the biggest industry in the world - a multi-trillion dollar industry with 43,000,000,000 animals killed every year.

If you don't agree with Halal you will find western methods worse , so become a vegetarian rather than a hypocrite.

 

[GSPfan]

So if they don't die the western way then they die the halal way.

 

[Wayzer]

man....
It's very sad to see ppl still adopting and being brainwashed by this western mentality..... if you have ever hunted, u would know that a kill isnt ALWAYS painless...... african hunters will spear their prey and follow it around as it bleeds out and slowly dies... and im sure they feel bad about it to some degree but, because they are a part of the cycle of the universe, and staying true to a more ancient and humble existence, they understand it differently than us. it's sad that the OVERsensitized yet DEsensitized people, who might i add very creatively are displaying doublethink and doublespeak, posting about slaughter of any kind as it has to be done in a non harming way..... Lets kill something but not hurt it, so i can eat it in peace, but will eat it anyway cause i will go to mcdonalds in about an hour and have 0 idea what i am really eating. ya mcdonalds treats humans like cattle for slaughter, and then the very people proliferating that behavior are protecting the burgers they eat, but not so they dont die, so they die how the ones eating them feel is best. this is insanity.

Also to add, eating, burning plants, and calling them non sentient beings, is very disrespectful, especially on a marijuana forum. shows how many people prolly disrespect their plants regularly. I think plants (especially trees) are possibly more alive and aware and "sentient" than animals and especially even more than the current standard of human.... At this point i believe it is most certainly a fact that a rock has more soul than the standard facebook/twitter/instagram bimbo u see around.

i am for teaching children to hunt, disembowel and butcher animals by the age of 10, even if they will never need to do it.

 

[foomar]

i am for teaching children to hunt, disembowel and butcher animals by the age of 10, even if they will never need to do it.

That's exactly what I have done with all my children and grandchildren by their early teens as an antidote to a soft squeamish media , boys and girls.

They are grounded in reality , know where their food comes from and respect all life and they don't follow the crowd like sheep.

A few years ago we went out early and shot some rabbits before school with one of my granddaughters , you can imagine what happened when she proudly took them into a cookery class where most of the kids were making cakes from a packet mix and thought animals lived like in watership down.

Read the book , watch the film , eat the pie.

 

[Photosynthesis]

Vegetarian.

Do what you wish. Fuck everyone else.

 

[foomar]

That's your choice.
Just don't pretend it makes you somehow better than those who choose to eat the way we are designed to.