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I remember from the par chart on OG 1K hortilux is 535 par watts,1K agrosun gold MH is 580 par watts,not sure about the 600s
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Guy at my hydro store says digi ballast with 600 performs equally to 1K'er.
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It's off-subject ft100, but the Homebox exists - to my knowledge - in two sizes only, the 1X1 m2 (approximately 3.2X3.2 feet), and the 1.2X1.2 m2 (approximately 3.9X3.9 feet). I wouldn't put a 1000 watt bulb in either of them, mainly because of heat issues, but that's just me.
ballastman said:
This one?
http://www.growfaq.net/index.php?action=artikel&cat=24&id=250&artlang=en
Alot of info is still missing from it, but last I checked MPD was dredging up PAR info from manufacturers with some limited success...not quite sure where he is now tho
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No I've never seen that one but it'll do in a pinch!I used to veg with expensive ass agrosun gold but I found a commercial lamp is just fine to veg with,I wouldnt flower with anything but hortilux though
New Holland
Member
Rosy Cheeks said:
Isn't lumens and Lux the same?, Lux is just a measure of lumens per square foot?
Both lumens and lux are units to measure illuminance, the difference between the two is that lux indicates the luminance of a specific area. Therefore, you talk about lumens in terms of bulb light output (initial lumens), and lux to measure how much light that reaches the plants.
Equipment Junki
New member
1000 Watt core and coil actually draw 1100 input watts and the top shelf ones put out around 1000Watts.
There is a Venture Super 1200 watt ballast that Hydrofarm sells in the Powerhouse ballast that draws 9.95 amps at 120Volts which will push lamps harder.
Digital ballasts are not figured out yet.
There is an Israeli ballast that is made in India that actually does what it is supposed to do, but it sells for around $350 per 600 watt ballast.
They don't have the 1000 Watt electronic ballast figured out yet, I have heard return rates as high as 80% in some parts of the country.
Philips has a high bay 1000W digital that runs at 440 Volts, but it is not available in the United Snakes.
I will probably get much shit, but what the fuck:
For lack of a better bench mark we have lumens. You can also use foot candles or lux, but many lamps are rated in lumens.
Photosynthetic Active Radiation or PAR is light from 380 to 770 nano meters which is close to the human visual range.
PAR watts are light intensity multiplied by duration (expressed in micromole), and micromole per meter squared by duration.
One photon of PAR light can only activate one chlorophyll molecule.
Red photons are just as effective as violet photons because the extra energy of the violet photons are lost as heat.
For this reason, the guys and girls running 50-100 lights usually have just sodium lamps.
And most are running 600 watt lights as it makes more points of light (more overlap); and they run cooler.
Plants do use blue light below 380 nm UVA's and this is why sidelighting with t-5 HO in a 65K or greater color temperature is getting so popular.
The ratio for 65k t-5s is 20-30% of your total lumens.
Lumens is just a scale, a way of communication.
A trend I have noticed is that after so many people got burned (by hydroponic industry hype) on digital ballasts, most of the large growers I know have been going to top shelf high quality core and coil ballasts (Hydrofarm Powerhouse, Sun Systems 1, Eurosystems).
They actually push the lamps as hard as they are supposed to.
Call up your hydro store and ask what the return rate is on the digital ballasts they sell. If they say between 15-18% or more they are telling you the truth.Ask them what the return rate is on core and coil ballasts these days. Should be less than 1%.
Hope this helps.
Respect
There is a Venture Super 1200 watt ballast that Hydrofarm sells in the Powerhouse ballast that draws 9.95 amps at 120Volts which will push lamps harder.
Digital ballasts are not figured out yet.
There is an Israeli ballast that is made in India that actually does what it is supposed to do, but it sells for around $350 per 600 watt ballast.
They don't have the 1000 Watt electronic ballast figured out yet, I have heard return rates as high as 80% in some parts of the country.
Philips has a high bay 1000W digital that runs at 440 Volts, but it is not available in the United Snakes.
I will probably get much shit, but what the fuck:
For lack of a better bench mark we have lumens. You can also use foot candles or lux, but many lamps are rated in lumens.
Photosynthetic Active Radiation or PAR is light from 380 to 770 nano meters which is close to the human visual range.
PAR watts are light intensity multiplied by duration (expressed in micromole), and micromole per meter squared by duration.
One photon of PAR light can only activate one chlorophyll molecule.
Red photons are just as effective as violet photons because the extra energy of the violet photons are lost as heat.
For this reason, the guys and girls running 50-100 lights usually have just sodium lamps.
And most are running 600 watt lights as it makes more points of light (more overlap); and they run cooler.
Plants do use blue light below 380 nm UVA's and this is why sidelighting with t-5 HO in a 65K or greater color temperature is getting so popular.
The ratio for 65k t-5s is 20-30% of your total lumens.
Lumens is just a scale, a way of communication.
A trend I have noticed is that after so many people got burned (by hydroponic industry hype) on digital ballasts, most of the large growers I know have been going to top shelf high quality core and coil ballasts (Hydrofarm Powerhouse, Sun Systems 1, Eurosystems).
They actually push the lamps as hard as they are supposed to.
Call up your hydro store and ask what the return rate is on the digital ballasts they sell. If they say between 15-18% or more they are telling you the truth.Ask them what the return rate is on core and coil ballasts these days. Should be less than 1%.
Hope this helps.
Respect
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newbieb
Lumatek 1,000W/240V Digital Ballast
[LK1TH240] $399.00
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Lumatek electronic ballasts feature a full 3 year exchange warranty.
This 1000W ballast will run a High Pressure Sodium or Metal Halide Bulb.
The Lumatek electronic ballast produces up to 30% more lumens than a standard core and coil (magnetic) ballast whilst drawing less electricity. The Lumatek ballast is completely silent (no more buzzing) and produces less heat than a standard ballast Because of lumatek's soft start technology the lamps last up to three times as long. Test data has shown that a Lumatek 600 watt ballast produces within 5% of the usable light of a 1000watt core and coil ballast! Digital ballasts also do not degrade like standard ballasts do. Over time magnetic ballasts become louder, produce less light, emit more heat and use more electricity. Electronic ballasts maintain their efficiency throughout their life span.
Why choose an electronic ballast over a core-and-coil (magnetic) ballast?
* Fast start-up ...It reaches full brightness in under one minute; magnetic ballasts typically take about twenty minutes
* Completely silent ...you have to put your ear up to the ballast before you can detect the slightest sound
* Small compact design ...600watt ballast weighs less than 4.5 kilos compared to almost 20 kilos for magnetic ballasts.
* Produce less heat
* Cut-off circuitry ...Automatic cut off when a short is detected. For ultimate safety.
* Longer bulb life...Lumen output loss over time is dramatically less than with magnetic ballasts
* Fully interchangeable ...Lumatek ballasts can light both HPS and MH bulbs
* More lumen output...20%-30% more lumens output...More light equals more yield
* There are no fans to break down or make noise; fan cooled ballast's have a very high failure rate. Lumatek ballasts are very, very reliable. Which is why we offer the excellent warranty.
* Lumatek products - fast start up
* The ballast can be mounted in areas of high heat. Up to 140° Farenheit.
* Every Lumatek ballast is burned for 12 hours at the factory
* Excellent three year, full exchange warranty
* Lumatek ballasts are 8% brighter than ROM and future ballasts
* No fans to break down after 1 or 2 years
* Safer - The Lumatek ballast is completely sealed from the inside
Please note Lumatek Ballasts do not come with a lamp cord- please see Lumatek section for lamp cords.
This product was added to our catalog on Friday 05 January, 2007.
[LK1TH240] $399.00
Click to enlarge
Lumatek electronic ballasts feature a full 3 year exchange warranty.
This 1000W ballast will run a High Pressure Sodium or Metal Halide Bulb.
The Lumatek electronic ballast produces up to 30% more lumens than a standard core and coil (magnetic) ballast whilst drawing less electricity. The Lumatek ballast is completely silent (no more buzzing) and produces less heat than a standard ballast Because of lumatek's soft start technology the lamps last up to three times as long. Test data has shown that a Lumatek 600 watt ballast produces within 5% of the usable light of a 1000watt core and coil ballast! Digital ballasts also do not degrade like standard ballasts do. Over time magnetic ballasts become louder, produce less light, emit more heat and use more electricity. Electronic ballasts maintain their efficiency throughout their life span.
Why choose an electronic ballast over a core-and-coil (magnetic) ballast?
* Fast start-up ...It reaches full brightness in under one minute; magnetic ballasts typically take about twenty minutes
* Completely silent ...you have to put your ear up to the ballast before you can detect the slightest sound
* Small compact design ...600watt ballast weighs less than 4.5 kilos compared to almost 20 kilos for magnetic ballasts.
* Produce less heat
* Cut-off circuitry ...Automatic cut off when a short is detected. For ultimate safety.
* Longer bulb life...Lumen output loss over time is dramatically less than with magnetic ballasts
* Fully interchangeable ...Lumatek ballasts can light both HPS and MH bulbs
* More lumen output...20%-30% more lumens output...More light equals more yield
* There are no fans to break down or make noise; fan cooled ballast's have a very high failure rate. Lumatek ballasts are very, very reliable. Which is why we offer the excellent warranty.
* Lumatek products - fast start up
* The ballast can be mounted in areas of high heat. Up to 140° Farenheit.
* Every Lumatek ballast is burned for 12 hours at the factory
* Excellent three year, full exchange warranty
* Lumatek ballasts are 8% brighter than ROM and future ballasts
* No fans to break down after 1 or 2 years
* Safer - The Lumatek ballast is completely sealed from the inside
Please note Lumatek Ballasts do not come with a lamp cord- please see Lumatek section for lamp cords.
This product was added to our catalog on Friday 05 January, 2007.
BowlPacks
Member
I know what the numbers say and I know what I see with my peepers. 1k's ALWAYS out perform 600's, hands down. No matter how close you can get a 600. I can get my 1k's 8in from the tops with no air cooling. My 600's about 6in, not enough to make up for 40% less wattage. Par, lux, or whatever 1k's kick ass.
About the lumatek's, unless your willing to have spares around for each ballast, stick with magnetic. Yeah they have a warranty but it takes a month to get it back. On the rare occasion I have to take in a fried magnetic ballast to the hydro store they gimme a loaner. Not with digi's though... Just my .02
About the lumatek's, unless your willing to have spares around for each ballast, stick with magnetic. Yeah they have a warranty but it takes a month to get it back. On the rare occasion I have to take in a fried magnetic ballast to the hydro store they gimme a loaner. Not with digi's though... Just my .02
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Rosy cheeks so few advantages with 1K fixtures?Folks who talk that way have probably never grown with them.I'm with bowlpacks on this one,give me a 1K magnetic ballast and I'll outgrow any digital 600 on the market,there wont be much comparison in fact.I'm going on 6 years now with my 1K magnetics,and not a single problem ever.Try that with the new electronic ballasts you'll be awful lucky to pull it off.Until the electronic ballasts become as reliable as magentic,I'll stay with the standard.When we order lighting for large commercial jobs you can bet the fixtures arent electronic with the exception of a few exit signs lol,no HID's.As for 600's coming close to matching what a 1K can do,electronic or not,only experience will convince anyone about that
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newbieb
would it be worth it to get 5 digital 600's, instead of 3 1000's?
<As for 600's coming close to matching what a 1K can do,electronic or not,only experience will convince anyone about that>
...Ballestman I agree with ya on that. It's hard to convey the info of one's own exper. to someone else. Truly something that has to be exper. first hand.
I'd say a 1k is in a class of it's own. Ya take alook at a 150hps and can see that the next common step up is a 250, and from there is a 400. This is where it's in it's own class. A 400w diffrence is pretty big! I mean...the next common step would be the 600w to the 1k. Thats friggin hugh! Take alook at a 150w harvest to a 600w harvest, and then try to visualize of what a 1k would be like next to a 600. That should be enough said.
I have to say though, the situation of the grower HAS to play a part in this.
Just a quick example.....
Theirs a thread on here that goes into detail of a cultivator reaching something close to 3lb. with 2 400w.
A 600w fits me just as a good as a 400w would or even a 1k if I wanted to go that route. It's up to the grower's needs, and desire.
I think if I try to fit a 1k in here, i'd outgrow my space, and have that much more of a harvest weight, but I don't want that type of pressure anymore. I've already feed the kids, and took care of the car payment...that sorta ting.
Been down the road with those 1k's. Many harvests under my belt w/ them.
I have no exper. though with a 600w other then what I used to use them at the store so customers can have a look at what their buying. i'd run an aero20 with 1k, and a rail, and a 4x4 tray with a single 600 stationary. And I gotta say YES YOU CAN come close to a 1k harvest in that respect. For cannabis though...not sure. I'll find out though, as I just ordered the Lumatek 600w.
...Ballestman I agree with ya on that. It's hard to convey the info of one's own exper. to someone else. Truly something that has to be exper. first hand.
I'd say a 1k is in a class of it's own. Ya take alook at a 150hps and can see that the next common step up is a 250, and from there is a 400. This is where it's in it's own class. A 400w diffrence is pretty big! I mean...the next common step would be the 600w to the 1k. Thats friggin hugh! Take alook at a 150w harvest to a 600w harvest, and then try to visualize of what a 1k would be like next to a 600. That should be enough said.
I have to say though, the situation of the grower HAS to play a part in this.
Just a quick example.....
Theirs a thread on here that goes into detail of a cultivator reaching something close to 3lb. with 2 400w.
A 600w fits me just as a good as a 400w would or even a 1k if I wanted to go that route. It's up to the grower's needs, and desire.
I think if I try to fit a 1k in here, i'd outgrow my space, and have that much more of a harvest weight, but I don't want that type of pressure anymore. I've already feed the kids, and took care of the car payment...that sorta ting.
Been down the road with those 1k's. Many harvests under my belt w/ them.
I have no exper. though with a 600w other then what I used to use them at the store so customers can have a look at what their buying. i'd run an aero20 with 1k, and a rail, and a 4x4 tray with a single 600 stationary. And I gotta say YES YOU CAN come close to a 1k harvest in that respect. For cannabis though...not sure. I'll find out though, as I just ordered the Lumatek 600w.
Read my post again and THINK about what I'm saying.
I'm not saying that a 600w run with a digital ballast is putting out more light than a 1000w run with a magnetic ballast. It is not. But the digital technology improves on the light output so it approaches the 1000w run with a magnetic ballast. A 1000w bulb run with a digital ballast will also improve its light output.
I'm saying that the 600w is more energy efficient than the 1000w and puts out more lumens per watt. This is a FACT, you can love your 1000w bulbs to death, it doesn't change a thing.
I'm saying that the 600w bulb lasts longer than the 1000w bulb, because it doesn't get as hot as the 1000w bulb, and heat is a major wear out factor.
I'm saying that in two growrooms with the same amount of lumens used, but one with 1000w bulbs and the other with 600w bulbs, the light spread, heat control and energy efficiency will be superior in the 600w bulb growroom. You will get more yield and pay less for your electricity. If you prefer growing with 1000w bulbs, that's your choice, but the advantages are few.
The initial cost of rigging 5 600w bulbs rather than 3 1000w bulbs would be higher (5 600w bulbs cost more than 3 1000w bulbs, you need 5 reflectors and five ballasts instead of 3 etc), but after a few grows those initial costs would be recuperated.
If you use digital ballasts instead of magnetic ballasts, your light output and energy efficiency will increase, both with 600w and 1000w bulbs.
I'm not saying that a 600w run with a digital ballast is putting out more light than a 1000w run with a magnetic ballast. It is not. But the digital technology improves on the light output so it approaches the 1000w run with a magnetic ballast. A 1000w bulb run with a digital ballast will also improve its light output.
I'm saying that the 600w is more energy efficient than the 1000w and puts out more lumens per watt. This is a FACT, you can love your 1000w bulbs to death, it doesn't change a thing.
I'm saying that the 600w bulb lasts longer than the 1000w bulb, because it doesn't get as hot as the 1000w bulb, and heat is a major wear out factor.
I'm saying that in two growrooms with the same amount of lumens used, but one with 1000w bulbs and the other with 600w bulbs, the light spread, heat control and energy efficiency will be superior in the 600w bulb growroom. You will get more yield and pay less for your electricity. If you prefer growing with 1000w bulbs, that's your choice, but the advantages are few.
newbieb said:would it be worth it to get 5 digital 600's, instead of 3 1000's?
The initial cost of rigging 5 600w bulbs rather than 3 1000w bulbs would be higher (5 600w bulbs cost more than 3 1000w bulbs, you need 5 reflectors and five ballasts instead of 3 etc), but after a few grows those initial costs would be recuperated.
If you use digital ballasts instead of magnetic ballasts, your light output and energy efficiency will increase, both with 600w and 1000w bulbs.
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Guest
You will get more yield with the 600s over the 1Ks?Thats not only incorrect my friend its almost laughable!You may pay less for your elec like you say but you sure wont get the yield you would on 1Ks.Man rosy I dont know why you'd say that man,its so untrue the yield from 1K fixtutres cant be beat by 600s,cmon man
Ballast man do your maths. We're not talking about one 600w bulb against a one 1000w bulb, we're talking about equal amount of lumens from different types of bulbs. The 600w bulb growroom will have a more even light spread and minimized shading than the 1000w bulb growroom, the light sources will be better distributed over the canopy, the lights can be moved in closer, more bud sites can be covered.
It's the same thing as if you install a light mover, you get a better spread of light. It results in a better overall yield, even if you get smaller colas than with a plant stuck close to a 1000w bulb.
It's the same thing as if you install a light mover, you get a better spread of light. It results in a better overall yield, even if you get smaller colas than with a plant stuck close to a 1000w bulb.
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I know what you're saying bro,that 5 600's can outflower my 3 1K vertizontals and yield more,light distribution and science aside,there is no way bro.I dont grow with them,but my cousin does and I know how effective they are.Its just not going to happen if you're experienced with using 1K fixtures,too bad we cant have a genuine gentlemens bet that would be fun.Now I'm talking soil here,dont bring back some supergrower with 4 by 8 tables and 5 600's,cause he'el whoop the dogshit outta me probably.I'm talking strictly soil grows
The GroPro dual 600 ballast uses one 1200w transformer to power both lights. Not a digital ballast. They can be had for $290 shipped which is an amazing deal. They have an extremely low return rate i hear.
I am adding some of these gropros with aircooled lighting and ebb flow tables. They will be right next to my four 1k grow.
I am adding some of these gropros with aircooled lighting and ebb flow tables. They will be right next to my four 1k grow.
