Gunnar's outdoor grow 07

[Gunnarguchi]

Better late than newer

As some one you might have read i had some difrent troubles getting seeds on top of the fact that im VERY late this year ( my last outdoor grow was some 15 years ago..).

After having troubles getting the seeds i ordered in the first place some helpfull DCF users offered to donate me some seeds.

A few days back i recieved some seeds from Ramone79 from DCF who sent me a batch of his Ramone79 outdoor skunk mix.
Some of them were unfortunatly smashed in the mail, but most of them survived and was put in wet toilet papir and covered with a news paper and put in a warm dark spot to germinate.

Was going to germinate for 48 hours and then plant them in soil but some stress and other things made me forget them and so they were germinating longer than planned and when i checked them today most of them were about 10 cm long and had pushed the upper wet towel upwards.

Time to plant them in soil immidiatly!



15 a little yellow but othervise healthy looking plants or now under flouresents a few days before going into outdoor soil.





Im awaiting yet another donor seed batch from a user that wants to remain anomous, and some Royal Dane seeds ordered online.
And a few seeds from unknown strain that was in some pot a friend gave me.

These are going to be my late outdoor grow for this year and im hoping for a fungiving harvest eventhough its a bit late and some things complicated it further.
No matter what ill update regullarly with pix and descriptions for all of them and also for each strain and offcourse af smoke report later this year.

 

[Gunnarguchi]

The plants taking from sprouting and into soil or now looking healthy green and opened up fully starting to grow its first leaves.



Today was a lovely day when opening my mailbox at home.
Finally the Royal Danes had arrived and also the second seed batch from a kind
and helpful DCF user ( first one appears to have disapeared in the mail).

Now i added 5 new strains to my grow besides the Ramone79 skunkmix.

TAS/GG3 x DP

ERD/AR x DP

HK x Leb27

Royal Dane

X - Unknown seeds from some pot a friend gave me.

*TAS = Tripple Afghan Slam
GG3 = Guerilla Gold 3
DP = Danish Passion
ERD = Erdpurt
AR = Alpine Rocket(swiss classic)
HK = Hindu Kush
Leb27 = Lebanon 27, a strain from Lebanon grown in Denmark for many years.

All the strains except X ,which i know nothing about, is suppose to be early flowering so they should provide a decent outcome eventhough im a little late for a danish outdoor grow.
They have all been put directly into soil mix in a mini greenhouse



Today i started germinating 60 new seeds in 5 difrent strains so soon ill hopefully be putting 75 plants in 6 difrent starins into outdoor soil if they all succeed.

Harvest time already seem so looong away...

 

[Paddi]

Hey Gunnarguchi

Jeg tager den lige på dansk her i den danske tråd.

Dejligt at du genoptager din gamle hobby og lader os følge med.

Det ser sgu´godt ud, trods dine besværligheder med at få frø i første omgang.
Der skal nok komme en masse flotte tøser til efteråret.
Jeg har mange af de samme strains som dig så det bliver spændende at se hvad en lidt senere start betyder for slutresultatet.

Hva´med at præsentere dit grow i "Cannabis growing outdoors"

Hygge
Paddi

 

[Gunnarguchi]

takker..

Grunden til at jeg skrev på engelsk er at tråden også bliver brugt andre steder og orker ikke at have samme tråd i både DK og UK, så ja, dovenskaben længe leve.

Var næsten besat af hampedyrkning i mine sene teenage år.
Gik meget mere op i at dyrke dem end egentlig at ryge dem, selvom det da bestemt også var en fornøjelse jeg af og til nød.

En af de fedeste "skæverter" jeg nogensidne har haft var noget isopropyl nol jeg havde trukket på frasorterede blade tilovers fra den deciderede pot sortering.
Jeg lod planteresterne stå i 2 uger og kogte alkoholen væk i vandbad.
Tilbage blev så noget ikke helt flydende mørkegrøn/sort masse som jeg rullede i små klumper der hurtigt fik tilnavnet "kaninlortende" blandt mine venner, hvor de blev ekstremt populære og derfor alt for hurtigt ben af gå på.
Styrkemæssigt var de kun ca dobbelt så stærke som almindeligt hash, men virkningen var ekstremt opløftende.
Man blev meget aktiv og udafvent i modsætning til den stenene effekt jeg ofte fik med almindelig hash.
Nok derfor jeg har en svaghed for sativa

Jeg havde forskellige sorter som jeg navngav efter den by hvor jeg havde fået de oprindelige frø eller plantedele fra, så der var en hel del grønne byer i mit private DK Atlas

Havde jeg bare haft 1/10 af den viden nettet og diverse bøger og growvideoer har givet mig idag så havde det fandme været nogle vilde tider dengang.

Interessen blev genopdaget fordi jeg er begyndt at tage mig en lille afstressende hyggeurt af og til, og foretrækker pot frem for hash, og da jeg hverken bryder mig om den ofte stenene effekt i hash eller tanken om økonomisk at støtte diverse rocker eller indvandrerbander, ja så foretrækker jeg at ryge pot jeg kender oprindelsen fra, og ikke mindst, at gro mit eget og eksperimentere videre med genetikken osv.

Det er en hyggelig hobby som jeg nyder med god samvittighed.

 

[Gunnarguchi]

Today i saw the first signs of the latest 60 seeds beginning to surface, but as my current camera isnt good for closeups or macro ill wait with pix until they have grown free from the surface.

 

[oldsmoker]

hej Gunnar looking good m8, bit of a late start but Im sure you will
still get a good return on them

 

[Despie]

good luck dude kinda behind, no?

 

[Gunnarguchi]

good luck dude kinda behind, no?

Yes, But that is also where the challenge and the fun is.
To get as good a harvest as possibel during those conditions.
Ill get a shorter vegetative stage but the same flowering period.
Im shure a lotta love, care and nutrients will make it happen anyway

And ofcourse.
Better late than newer

 

[Gunnarguchi]

Additions to previous grow update:

TAS, Tripple Afghan Slam is by Reeferman
ErdPurt is the cross between Erdbeer and x Purpurea Ticinensis. ( as far as i know they are both some very popular Swiss strains adopted to the northern climate. Potent and very mold and fungus resistance)



My older plants ( http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=59696) which i thought had yellowing leaves and slow growth wasnt suffering from too much fertilizer or over watering but from a serious Nitrogen deficiency according to knowledge i gained on these sites
http://forum.everyonedoesit.co.uk/showthread.php?t=59335
http://www.weedfarmer.com/cannabis/plant_abuse_guide.php
Very highly recommended reading for any cannabis grower.

I had ordered both Canna Grow and Bloom but from a danish webshop with slow deliveringtime so in the meantime i was using some cheap liquid nutrient with too less N and was using it too carefully as the brand was unknown to other cannabis users and so also the effects regarding a possibel nutrient burn.

Its called Grøn Vækst - Organisk Plantegødning, bought in a shop chain here called Silvan for 25 DKR for half a liter ( thats about 4 $ )
N = 4,1%
P = 0,5%
K = 5,2%
So an NPK apr. 8:1:10 which is NOT suited for cannabis Vegetative growth as a stand alone furtilizer but could be used if suplement with added Nitrogen.
Check these very good pages on Cannabis nutrients and problems deraving from too much or too little etc


Still not having recieved the ordered Canna furtilizers and with plants in desperate need for Nitrogen i decided to make my own emergency nutrient mix using the cheap liquid nutrient and adding alot of the lacking N.

My emergency recipy:

First i took one hand showel of rabbit dirt containing lotsa N but also being one of the few animal furtilizers that is best for plants without buring roots.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=60554&page=1&pp=15

Manures


source.........................N P K comments
Rabbit manure.......... 2.4 1.4 0.6 Most concentrated of animal manures in fresh form.
Cow manure (dairy). 0.6 0.2 0.5 Often contains weed seeds, should be hot composted.
Steer manure.......... 0.7 0.3 0.4 Often contains weed seeds, should be hot composted if fresh.
Chicken manure....... 1.1 0.8 0.5 Fast acting, breaks down quickest of all manures. Use carefully, may burn. Also, stinks like hell - composting definitely recommended.
Horse manure........... 0.7 0.3 0.6 Medium breakdown time.
Duck manure............ 0.6 1.4 0.5 .
Sheep manure.......... 0.7 0.3 0.9 .
Worm castings......... 0.5 0.5 0.3 50% organic material plus 11 trace minerals. Great for seedlings, will not burn. Is a form of compost, so doesn't need composting.

and added 4 liters of boiling water in total to kill bugs, fly eggs etc in it.



After having stirred it and killed any remaning larves and other bugs i added 6 liters of cold water and added 7 teaspoons of the other furtilizer to add the proper P, K, Mg and other nutrints.
7 teaspoons of marble siryp/molasses as its told to stimulate micro biologic processes and micro nutrients in the soil.



I decided to repot into larger containers before adding the "emergency nutrient mix"
From 1 liters to 4 liter pots always using Leca peas in the button for draining and air to the roots.
I used a coffefilter to keep the peas in and allow the excess water to drain.



Then i added my own special soil mix to the new pots.
Flower soil, peat moss, plant bag soil, sand and leca pea's.




In front is seen the 2x30 seedlings which almost all have sprouted except the X seeds which i wasnt expecting anyway as they were all imature, small and pale looking seeds.



behind is seen the Ramone79 skunk mix 15 plants wich are a few days older.
The the left in the background you can just glimpse the older plants which are 3 Misty and 2 Super Skunk from Nirvana ( they were the reason i made the "emergency nutrient mix" - see the yellow buttom leafes and slow groth cause of what turned out to be lack of N).
The older plants are kept seperatly cause they are going to be selected for motherplants for an indoor grow i planned later this year so they are still in pots and will be moved back indoors when the sunlight is aproching flowering cyclus.








A small update.
the pix was taken yesterday, June 19.

Right after repotting the older plants were hanging a little from the root getting use to the new pots and improved soil.
But today i could already tell the difrence and effect from the nutrients.
They leaves starting to look more healthy and more agile in correcting towards the sun.
The next days i expect the yellowing leaves to start getting greener again and the plants to take off in growth

 

[Gunnarguchi]

The latest batch of seedlings are still kept under flourecents as im wating for the rainy weather to pass.
some of them are a bit stretchy cause i also had the older plants under same light, thus meaning the distance from the bulb to the seedlings were to great.
The older plants has therefore been moved outside in a DIY greenhouse until the rainy weather passes.
Now the the seedlings are a little more than 1 inch below the bulbs which they seem to like a lot better.






The older plants outside is still being fed the "emergency nutrient mix" which they seem to like ( commercial liquid nutrient added rabbit manure and a little molasses to stimulate micro nutrients in the soil)

Still none of the X seeds have sprouted which actually isnt a disapointment as they were just some immature looking seeds i found in some pot from a friend.

The other strains ( TAS/GG3 x DP, ERD/AR x DP, HK x Leb27, Royal Dane ) are surprisingly well germinating.
from 52 seeds in soil, 51 have germinated sofar.

 

[Gunnarguchi]

recent update.

Unfortunatly my mobile with camera decided to go blank.
Im not sure when i can afford either a new phone and/or camera.
Thats why updates has lacked recently.

All the TAS/GG3 x DP, ERD/AR x DP, HK x Leb27, Royal Dane seeds have sprouted.

I planted 5 of the Ramone79 skunkmix into my own garden and my neighboor has the last 10 in his garden ( we share a smoke together in the evenings sometimes anyway).
1 of them being weak and small was eaten by slugs.

2 of the bigger ones from the other strains has had their tops eating by slugs also but i hope they recover this very early unplanned "topping".

TAS/GG3 x DP are still indoor under flouresent but going outdoor very soon ( testing atm if flouresents is better than outdoor cause of the rain and lack of sun - size is almost the same but outdoors are doing a little better).
Some of the lower leafes are starting a little yellowing because of lacking Nitrogen and im afraid to use much furtilizer because of the small pot size so they are going outside very soon.

None of them is killer growing atm because of the shitty weather here but the HK x Leb27 is the fastest growing followed very closely by the Royal Danes, but the diffrence in sizes for the strains is kinda minimal in this stage.

The Misty and Super Skunk are still outside in pots.
They just outgrow 50 cm in 4 liters pots and roots are showing at the buttom so they are very soon transplanted into 12 liter pots.
They are ment for a later indoor grow as motherplants.

Ive just recently ordered some new seeds ( 1 x AK-48, 1 x Jock Horror, 1 x NL - Big Bud, 1 x Arjan's Haze #1 ) im still waiting for the seeds and they are also ment for the later indoor grow.
Im gonna grow seeds from them and also use them for some later planned crosses.
The Arjan's Haze #1 costed a freaking 105 Euro so i hope its so damn good as he claims!

Next on my wishlist for seed breading and eksperimenting is the famous ( but impossibel to get) Deep Chunk and some exotic strains as the C99 and others sativas like mexicans etc, maybe some Guerilla Gold etc., but i need to get my seperate growroom finished before i can handle all the seperate strains.

Thats all for now but i hope i can be able to post some pictures soon.
anyways ill update with text info in the meantime..

Stay tuned...

 

[Brother_Monk]

Hey Gunnar , I'll definately be "watching" this outdoor grow. Get that growroom finished so you can get some DeepChunk started this winter. I'm absolutely sure they will sell out in record time. Oct/Nov release! Good growing my friend.

 

[Gunnarguchi]

tnx alot for the kind words.
Yes i look forward myself also to having a nice growroom finished myself so i can satisfy "my green fingers" also in winter time.

Not everything regarding the room has gone as planned but started the other day making walls and air and light sealing it ( pix willhave to be later when i get a cam again).

I have some ideas on some crosses i think could be interresting, including DC, many others and mixing some of them with local early strains etc.
With a large growroom indoor im sure i wont be bored when winter sets in.
Should be the opposite

 

[Brother_Monk]

Yeah, I'm planning a few crosses myself with DC. Perhaps with HTC Skunk to bring up the yield considerably. As they are both true IBL plants, the offspring should be well suited for selection. Not too sure a long flowering sativa cross would be ideal, as DC is best at 9-10 weeks IMO. DC is a breeders delight. Very stable and easy to work with. The only thing that draws back from it is yield. Excellent meds...just not enough of it at harvest.

 

[GOSH]

Big respect for you, you're a warrior!
enjoy libanon27!
good growing, g.

 

[Gunnarguchi]

Yeah, I'm planning a few crosses myself with DC. Perhaps with HTC Skunk to bring up the yield considerably. As they are both true IBL plants, the offspring should be well suited for selection. Not too sure a long flowering sativa cross would be ideal, as DC is best at 9-10 weeks IMO. DC is a breeders delight. Very stable and easy to work with. The only thing that draws back from it is yield. Excellent meds...just not enough of it at harvest.

im offline atm cause i forgot to my my bill to the isp ( ( browsing atm via my cellphone which is very slow and expensive i should be online again next week)

Crossing with DC in order to make it more outdoor resistent in colder climates and increasing the yield would require to cross it with local early strains like Leb27, Danish Passion, Royal Dane etc.
Leb27 is a very early, mold resistent and sativa dominated hybrid btw.
Increasing yield would require crossing it with a high yielding strain.
I just recived the NL x Bigbud cross from Nirvana which i ( among other) intent to use for that.
An outdoor version suited for my country would be crossing it with above mentioned adopted and early strains.

DC should be very dominating in crosses as ive read so carefully selecting pheno's is gonna be a challenge i think.

Hope to be online again soon.

Take care

Gunnar G

 

[esbe]

leb27 is not a hybrid bro, but a landrace. and its not super early due to its long flowering period.

danish passion or royal dane x dc sounds real nice!

 

[Brother_Monk]

Yeah, so far, the DC crosses I've seen have been DC dominated. With the exception of Uk Cheese x DC, and SPG x DC. I have some northern Lights, but I don't want to keep it too short. I would like a fair bit of stretch to the plants. Perhaps a cross with one of the White strains, that has been outcrossed to a long flowering sativa. Hmmm....I'm still doing a little research, so I have plenty of time for planning. Plus, I don't have a lot of room, so having too much variation would be a PITA. I'm thinking about Kodiac Gold, HTC Skunk, or just a good old fashioned mexi sat.

 

[Gunnarguchi]

leb27 is not a hybrid bro, but a landrace. and its not super early due to its long flowering period.

danish passion or royal dane x dc sounds real nice!

Im still so new in the business that i might mix words up but for me a hybrid is a mix between sativa and indica and a landrace is an adopted strain suited for that particular contry's climate, in this cause nordic/denmark, but it could still be both an hybrid and a landrace at the same time??
as far as ive read leb27 is considered early for nordic climates eventhough both Danish Passion and royal dane are earlier?
im correct assuming that leb 27 is a sativa or still a sativa hybrid?
i have both pure royal dane and leb27 crosses at my place i intend to make some test cross with.
the leb27 for some sativa influence and still being nordic climate influenced and RD and DP for earliness and mold resistance, but i have my eyes on other more exotic crosses also for indoor use, both sativas and indica's.

 

[PrinceOfPersia]

landrace or not.. "A Hybrid" is when u cross 2 plants and the recessive genes reveals themself in the next generation.. there are many forms for hybrids - color, growth , thc/cbd, smell and so on...
Ive noticed the word hybrid is very misused on theese site's- ive hope it enlightend a bit.. har du flere spørgsmål så stiller du dem bare..

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