Guatemala Strain Shows Sex Too Soon

[sebasadmon]

Hello,

I have a couple of Guatemala Phenotype growing up at this moment, they are outdoor but, they showed sex at the 7th node, after 40 days of growing (both exactly same days), wich is male for both. Im from Colombia, so the latitude is like N 6° (12/12 photoperiod) and Guatemala is N 15°. Why Guatemala Strain showed the sex so soon if photoperiod is like the same here than Guatemala? also, I have a couple of strains more from Ace Seeds: Malawi, Panama Haze, Zamaldelica and Congo. Will it happen the same with these phenotypes? should I bring more light to these plants?

Thanks

Some pictures attached (I just did an apical prune, Its not clear the sex in the pictures, but Im Pretty sure about it)

 

[sebasadmon]

Pictures Here

 

[deepwaterdude]

Hey, Sebas, as far as I know, males'll show earlier than females, but you're right, that's a small plant nonetheless. At your latitude, if you veg outside, you're running the plants at 12/12 from seed, whereas I think they are bred to flower at that light schedule and veg at higher light/dark ratios. I have vegged my panamas, tikals, GT and Nepjams all at 15-16hrs of light with only some feminized Nepjams showing sex. I drop to 12/12 when they're ready for stretch and sexing, then flower at 11/13, to try and keep the stretchy, everflowering tropical genes under control.

So, IMHO, you'd be right to veg them indoors with additional light hours to develop the plants before they flower. Can't wait to see what happens in your climate; I lived in Bogota for a couple of years and always fantasized about a little finca and what I could do with it

 

[sebasadmon]

Hey, Sebas, as far as I know, males'll show earlier than females, but you're right, that's a small plant nonetheless. At your latitude, if you veg outside, you're running the plants at 12/12 from seed, whereas I think they are bred to flower at that light schedule and veg at higher light/dark ratios. I have vegged my panamas, tikals, GT and Nepjams all at 15-16hrs of light with only some feminized Nepjams showing sex. I drop to 12/12 when they're ready for stretch and sexing, then flower at 11/13, to try and keep the stretchy, everflowering tropical genes under control.

So, IMHO, you'd be right to veg them indoors with additional light hours to develop the plants before they flower. Can't wait to see what happens in your climate; I lived in Bogota for a couple of years and always fantasized about a little finca and what I could do with it

So, what you are trying to say is that these plants are bred to grow in a unnatural condition? I mean, the natural condition is to they veg 12/12 and flower when its mature enough. Otherwise, Malawi is one of those strains that Ace Seeds recommends that photoperiod should be 12/12 from seed, so, It would be nice to know abut this, becouse, I really want to have these kind of strain (100% sativas) outdoor, they are supposed to be adapated to this kind of latitude

 

[OnceUpon]

hello sebasadmon

in my experience, a plant showing sex can still continue to veg, and males will flower earlier & faster than females

since this plant has been grown and bred for a few generations north of your location (in spain). it will likely have been adapted and selected to that climate.

with these tropical varieties, most growers seem to appreciate that ace has selected the early flowering phenotypes to breed with, and has removed the very long flowering phenotypes.

malawi could be great

 

[OnceUpon]

ps. i wouldn't panic yet.

some seeds could turn out perfect. panama x haze??

 

[Dr.King]

hello sebasadmon

in my experience, a plant showing sex can still continue to veg, and males will flower earlier & faster than females

since this plant has been grown and bred for a few generations north of your location (in spain). it will likely have been adapted and selected to that climate.

with these tropical varieties, most growers seem to appreciate that ace has selected the early flowering phenotypes to breed with, and has removed the very long flowering phenotypes.

malawi could be great

This is correct. Regular seeds will still continue to veg even after showing sex. Don't give up man, she will still grow a lot. My experience that was both my Green Haze and Oldtimer's Haze both still grew a lot after showing sex in straight 12/12 from seed. The Green Haze got almost 9 feet. The Oldtimer's Haze got almost 7 feet tall beside the GH under 400 watts. Good luck man .

 

[Green]

Hello,

I have a couple of Guatemala Phenotype growing up at this moment, they are outdoor but, they showed sex at the 7th node, after 40 days of growing (both exactly same days), wich is male for both. Im from Colombia, so the latitude is like N 6° (12/12 photoperiod) and Guatemala is N 15°. Why Guatemala Strain showed the sex so soon if photoperiod is like the same here than Guatemala? also, I have a couple of strains more from Ace Seeds: Malawi, Panama Haze, Zamaldelica and Congo. Will it happen the same with these phenotypes? should I bring more light to these plants?

Thanks

Some pictures attached (I just did an apical prune, Its not clear the sex in the pictures, but Im Pretty sure about it)

Hey Sebas how are you doing. I am a few degrees north of you, 19N to be exact. In the tropics there is multiple grow seasons. Usually 1 long growing season during summer-autumn . And a couple of short season grows in winter- months. The short season will produce small mini plants. If you want them big gotta start just befor the summer solstice.

Hope that helps, not much info on tropical growing outdoors.
Fine choice with the seeds you got.

 

[sebasadmon]

This is correct. Regular seeds will still continue to veg even after showing sex. Don't give up man, she will still grow a lot. My experience that was both my Green Haze and Oldtimer's Haze both still grew a lot after showing sex in straight 12/12 from seed. The Green Haze got almost 9 feet. The Oldtimer's Haze got almost 7 feet tall beside the GH under 400 watts. Good luck man .

I hope so. I will see during this month the progress. Thanks for your time to answer

 

[sebasadmon]

Hey Sebas how are you doing. I am a few degrees north of you, 19N to be exact. In the tropics there is multiple grow seasons. Usually 1 long growing season during summer-autumn . And a couple of short season grows in winter- months. The short season will produce small mini plants. If you want them big gotta start just befor the summer solstice.

Hope that helps, not much info on tropical growing outdoors.
Fine choice with the seeds you got.

Hi, here there arent season like winter, the weather is like the same all the year. Every year there are a couple of phenomena: el niño and la niña, wich means a lot of rain or a lot of sun, but its pretty
unpredictable and its pretty hard to play with, even though, you can grow though all year; if you have hibrid plants, for sure you will get small mini plants, thats why Im trying to chose seeds that arent photodependent to use them outdoor. Thanks for answering

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

hello sebasadmon

in my experience, a plant showing sex can still continue to veg, and males will flower earlier & faster than females

since this plant has been grown and bred for a few generations north of your location (in spain). it will likely have been adapted and selected to that climate.

with these tropical varieties, most growers seem to appreciate that ace has selected the early flowering phenotypes to breed with, and has removed the very long flowering phenotypes.

malawi could be great

Hi sebasadmon,

As OnceUpon says, ACE do their breeding work in Spain, so the plants have had several generations of selective breeding with long day summers, 15+ hours of daylight, so they "veg" into big plants. "Veg" means grow vegatitively, not flower. Your plants are reacting to their normal daylength and flowering because of it.

Your otherwise lovely climate is pretty much 12/12 daylength all year round, so you want to keep your babies somewhere lit so you can extend the daylength for a month or two. By keeping mother plants in veg, you may well find flowering small cuttings works best for you, experimentation is everything.

Mucho suerte y por favor contamos lo que pasar
Saludos Senor

 

[Green]

Hi, here there arent season like winter, the weather is like the same all the year. Every year there are a couple of phenomena: el niño and la niña, wich means a lot of rain or a lot of sun, but its pretty
unpredictable and its pretty hard to play with, even though, you can grow though all year; if you have hibrid plants, for sure you will get small mini plants, thats why Im trying to chose seeds that arent photodependent to use them outdoor. Thanks for answering

Aloha sebas, sorry i wasn't telling you how to grow. Just letting you know how I successfully grow at 19 degrees north in the tropics for many years. More info the better.

Wish you the best, you'll love that Guatemala from ace.

 

[back_woods]

here is ace's malawi. she was started in 12/12 from seed. she showed a button bud at 10 inches tall and here she is now at 3 ft.at lat 28 (sub tropic's) your Guatemalan should even be taller when she's done.

 

[sebasadmon]

Hi sebasadmon,

As OnceUpon says, ACE do their breeding work in Spain, so the plants have had several generations of selective breeding with long day summers, 15+ hours of daylight, so they "veg" into big plants. "Veg" means grow vegatitively, not flower. Your plants are reacting to their normal daylength and flowering because of it.

Your otherwise lovely climate is pretty much 12/12 daylength all year round, so you want to keep your babies somewhere lit so you can extend the daylength for a month or two. By keeping mother plants in veg, you may well find flowering small cuttings works best for you, experimentation is everything.

Mucho suerte y por favor contamos lo que pasar
Saludos Senor

Hello..

Im not totally agree with this. Although ACE seeds breeds these phenotypes in Spain, several generation are not enought for a genetical change in order to modify the genes or something ike that (specially in landrace plants), evolution takes thousands of years and they dont use genetic engineering for changing this. Im agree with you, in that part when you say that they are chosing those phenotypes wich are flowering sooner than the other one, just to
reinforce this kind of phenotype, maybe some epigenetic stuff will occure during this process, but I dont think this phenotypes are getting adapted till that point of a changing in the photoperiod os the plant,

Thanks for your answer bro

 

[rolandomota]

Yes you have to bring more light if you want bigger plants or else at two months most sativas will start flower in 12 hours of light like you always have year round some sativas can take 3 month of growing then they start to flower. You need 3 to 6 added hours of light to keep growing then leave naturally to flower when they are big enough for you. Sativas need at least two extra hours of light but 3 is probably better indicas need at least 3 but better if its 5 or 6 extra.
You should select for the tallest males and tallest females to get bigger plants down their with 12 hours and make some seeds

 

[Vapedoutdude]

In my experience most plants show sex 40-50 day mark from seed even in veg. I thought this was common knowledge?

 

[dubi]

Hello,

I have a couple of Guatemala Phenotype growing up at this moment, they are outdoor but, they showed sex at the 7th node, after 40 days of growing (both exactly same days), wich is male for both. Im from Colombia, so the latitude is like N 6° (12/12 photoperiod) and Guatemala is N 15°. Why Guatemala Strain showed the sex so soon if photoperiod is like the same here than Guatemala? also, I have a couple of strains more from Ace Seeds: Malawi, Panama Haze, Zamaldelica and Congo. Will it happen the same with these phenotypes? should I bring more light to these plants?

Thanks

Some pictures attached (I just did an apical prune, Its not clear the sex in the pictures, but Im Pretty sure about it)

Welcome sebasadmon,

As deepwaterdude pointed out, the photoperiod in your latitude is very short, you have an outdoor flowering photoperiod for the whole year so any plant from seed will start to flower after it reaches its sexual maturity. Depending on the strain this could happen earlier or later.

Fast flowering indicas and more tamed sativas with moderate flowering times (and that's the case for Guatemala, which has been bred several generations looking for the best and fastest flowering parental plants that work best indoors and also outdoors in non tropical latitudes), will start to flower at your latitude after aprox 4 weeks of life, they will continue to stretch in early flowering, especially the taller, more sativa strains.

If you want to get a longer growing stage at your latitude so your plants can reach a bigger size and produce bigger yields, then you must grow very tropical sativas like Malawi, Zamaldelica, Honduras, Ethiopian, Oldtimer's Haze and its hybrids, etc ... all these very tropical sativa lines reach sexual maturity slower, and they have longer time to grow bigger from seed in your latitude.

Other option would be to increase the photoperiod of your seedlings with artificial lamps (many commercial colombian growers do it in that way) until the plants reach the size you are looking for. Then turn off the lamps for the rest of the cycle and let the plants naturally flower with your natural outdoor photoperiod.

Hope it helps with your doubts. Best wishes!

 

[sebasadmon]

Welcome sebasadmon,

As deepwaterdude pointed out, the photoperiod in your latitude is very short, you have an outdoor flowering photoperiod for the whole year so any plant from seed will start to flower after it reaches its sexual maturity. Depending on the strain this could happen earlier or later.

Fast flowering indicas and more tamed sativas with moderate flowering times (and that's the case for Guatemala, which has been bred several generations looking for the best and fastest flowering parental plants that work best indoors and also outdoors in non tropical latitudes), will start to flower at your latitude after aprox 4 weeks of life, they will continue to stretch in early flowering, especially the taller, more sativa strains.

If you want to get a longer growing stage at your latitude so your plants can reach a bigger size and produce bigger yields, then you must grow very tropical sativas like Malawi, Zamaldelica, Honduras, Ethiopian, Oldtimer's Haze and its hybrids, etc ... all these very tropical sativa lines reach sexual maturity slower, and they have longer time to grow bigger from seed in your latitude.

Other option would be to increase the photoperiod of your seedlings with artificial lamps (many commercial colombian growers do it in that way) until the plants reach the size you are looking for. Then turn off the lamps for the rest of the cycle and let the plants naturally flower with your natural outdoor photoperiod.

Hope it helps with your doubts. Best wishes!

Hello. How many weeks for Panama Haze, Malawi and Zamaldelica to flower at this latitude?