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GrowLab 145L, Environmentally controlled, LST/ScrOG!
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MASHUP
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IKILL3RI
I just did some math, you'll have to skimp on a few of the goodies I have in there to make it in at 5. My perception of prices is skewed a little because I never pay retail at my LGS.
Anyway, I want to know a little more about you and your current skill set before I go into deeper thinking about the details. For not even I have a clue of everything that has gone into this project thus far. May be able to save a lot of coin and do it a bit differently.
Yield? Very subjective to many variables, too many to list. If you backtrack through the thread a little bit you will spot some posts by BigGreen about his estimates of yield.
I just did some math, you'll have to skimp on a few of the goodies I have in there to make it in at 5. My perception of prices is skewed a little because I never pay retail at my LGS.
Anyway, I want to know a little more about you and your current skill set before I go into deeper thinking about the details. For not even I have a clue of everything that has gone into this project thus far. May be able to save a lot of coin and do it a bit differently.
Yield? Very subjective to many variables, too many to list. If you backtrack through the thread a little bit you will spot some posts by BigGreen about his estimates of yield.
IKILL3RI
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MASHUP
Yeah thanks and about my skills, None yet ,but That's why I need some help from experienced people like you.
. I bet you're going be surprised I don't have no experienced but am a quick learner trust me.
P.S I sold my all my video game systems and all my fun stuff just to make this my number 1 Hobby No more fun games, Its time for real fun Right? Hopefully it was really worth selling all my stuff.
Yeah thanks and about my skills, None yet ,but That's why I need some help from experienced people like you.
. I bet you're going be surprised I don't have no experienced but am a quick learner trust me.P.S I sold my all my video game systems and all my fun stuff just to make this my number 1 Hobby
No more fun games, Its time for real fun Right? Hopefully it was really worth selling all my stuff.
Word of the wise. Start small get a 400 watter and set it up over a bubble bucket or rubbermaid. Do a couple plants to learn the dwc because its tricky once your in a recirculating dwc, adding nutes, ph and additives. Theres so much water you fuck it up youll have you change all that shit and it would be a waste of nutes and water also a pain in the ass. After a grow or 2 upgrade to a 1000 watt and switch to rdwc and use your 400 for vegging mothers ect. Ive been running dwc for a couple years and shit still can get fucked up its just easier to find the problems now after the experience and fix. I had a friend run a 400 his very first time growing he did ebb & flo with 3 plants and he yielded 1/2 pound thats pretty dam good for his first time. So start smaller or your gonna waist a lot of time $ and youll have a huge head ache. Good luck
PS. 1 1000 watter you can get 2 lbs if everything is dialed in pretty good. 1 400 watter can get you 1 lbs if done great look in forums for 4oo watt 450 grams youll see it.
PS. 1 1000 watter you can get 2 lbs if everything is dialed in pretty good. 1 400 watter can get you 1 lbs if done great look in forums for 4oo watt 450 grams youll see it.
MASHUP
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IKILL3RI
BigGreen has solid information for you. That's not to say you can't be looking good doing it!
Check out my suggested kit for you:
GrowLab 145 w/accessory kit
Coolsun 8" w/400w ballast and bulb
8" Vortex
Sunstream 3'x3' econo-system
Hanna nutrient monitor
That's the basics. You'd have to do your own research on nutes. I recommend GH Flora Nova, or even their 3-part works like a champ. PH up and and PH down. Hanna supplies a packet of calibration solution, but you'll want to have a bottle of each on hand. I get retarded and calibrate once a week during bloom and double check my 24/7 meter with my Hanna handheld and still further reference it with a GH drip test kit.
If you're in a warmer climate like on the West Coast, then save some scratch for a decent A/C. Even if you cooled all of the air coming from the bulb, you still deal with radiant heat, which can be an issue in the summer. 400w though... piece of cake and can sit 12" above the plants.
Don't hesitate to ask any stupid questions you may have, we were all in that seat once ourselves. I'm solely here to entertain and help others.
BigGreen
Thanks bud, I'm glad you saved me some explainin'.
Peace
BigGreen has solid information for you. That's not to say you can't be looking good doing it!
Check out my suggested kit for you:
GrowLab 145 w/accessory kit
Coolsun 8" w/400w ballast and bulb
8" Vortex
Sunstream 3'x3' econo-system
Hanna nutrient monitor
That's the basics. You'd have to do your own research on nutes. I recommend GH Flora Nova, or even their 3-part works like a champ. PH up and and PH down. Hanna supplies a packet of calibration solution, but you'll want to have a bottle of each on hand. I get retarded and calibrate once a week during bloom and double check my 24/7 meter with my Hanna handheld and still further reference it with a GH drip test kit.
If you're in a warmer climate like on the West Coast, then save some scratch for a decent A/C. Even if you cooled all of the air coming from the bulb, you still deal with radiant heat, which can be an issue in the summer. 400w though... piece of cake and can sit 12" above the plants.
Don't hesitate to ask any stupid questions you may have, we were all in that seat once ourselves. I'm solely here to entertain and help others.
BigGreen
Thanks bud, I'm glad you saved me some explainin'.
Peace
MASHUP
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loco81
You said it straight. The kid just seemed to be in it for the looks too.
If you really wanted to cheap out, go for an eBay 400w HPS setup from HTG Supply. Some dirt, pots, nutes and a vent fan connected to a carbon filter. I've done grows under $500 that yielded enough smoke to last me a year. So if this is for personal satisfaction, just cheap out for a few cycles until you decide which way to go.
Don't make a hasty decision and buy something you don't need in the end. I've given away thousands of dollars worth of gear to peeps that was perfectly good, I just no longer had a place in my setup for it.
You said it straight. The kid just seemed to be in it for the looks too.
If you really wanted to cheap out, go for an eBay 400w HPS setup from HTG Supply. Some dirt, pots, nutes and a vent fan connected to a carbon filter. I've done grows under $500 that yielded enough smoke to last me a year. So if this is for personal satisfaction, just cheap out for a few cycles until you decide which way to go.
Don't make a hasty decision and buy something you don't need in the end. I've given away thousands of dollars worth of gear to peeps that was perfectly good, I just no longer had a place in my setup for it.
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purpledomgoddes
no desire to hijack here. with 1300 coins, a very nice garden can be constructed...
1k sunmaster warm deluxe w/ mh ballast~300. (from start to finish+100 days from tomato seed [28-35 days veg/72-65 days fruiting/blooming]).
1 roll of panda film~100 (or white dollar store tarp [both made in chn] for ~20 coins). scrap plywood/wood >0-20 coins. 4x8 polywall (shower-type) sheets~20 coins per sheet.
frame~50-100(pvc, wood, portable wardrobe/tent frame)
gorilla tape, tarp zipper, caulking, screws, etc, etc, ~>100 coins.
buckets~0 coins. get buckets free from restaurants, bakeries, doughnut shops, etc.
if coco-based medium~30 for 6 bags of black gold coco blend.
if aero/dwc~5-10 for a bag(s) of lava rock. 1 sm brick of coco to start seeds/cuttings.
if aero/dwc, etc~20-100 coins for water+air pump.
net pots~0-5 coins for 32 oz. fast food soda cups. durable (have had 50 for 9 yrs, that paid 5 coins for @ 7/11/circle k/costco-type store. holes made w/ soldering iron/drilled/phillips-head screwdriver punched.
5k-8k btu ac~50-100 coins off net (from general store or after-market).
6-8" inline fan for heat exhaust from condenser of ac~5-10 coins. thrift/surplus store.
18" fan underneath vert bare bulb lights (laminate air flow)~10 coins. surplus/thrift store.
12" oscillating fan (turbulent airflow)~5 coins. surplus/thrift store.
ph testers (eye-drop type)~5 coins.
ppm/ec meter~50-100 coins.
rh controllable by dry-z-air/rv dehum-type models~5-20 coins.
cheap c02 via fermentation~5-10 coins.
nutes (gh, @ bottle recommendations, or little >than bottle recommendations)~50-100 coins, depending on regime. the garden will survive+thrive w/ little fertilization.
quality genetics ~20-150 coins. fruit seeds from an eaten orange+cost of orange (fruit 'bagseed', ala chem fam genes, etc).
the ^ list should take care of a fully functional garden for >1300 pieces of gold.
key is to study plant physiology/greenhouse engineering 1st. ~cost=time+patience+experience. any system can+will be successful w/ adequate info+not trying too hard. 50+psi aero, pre-mix organic (bone+blood+kelp meal, etc) water-only, swc/dwc/nft, etc, etc, will all produce nutritional vegetables. choice of system is gardens' own comfort-zone+attention to detail.
fruits/vegetables are hard-wired for survival. a lot of problems arise when gardeners try to do too much. manipulating environmental variables throughout season requires knowledge of harm+benefits of each shift in environ. stick to basics 1st run, then measure future adjustments by 1st log/grow's basic (control) run.
hope this contributes in positive way. just relax+enjoy garden!
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purpledomgoddes
thx mashup. seems purpose of gardens should be relaxation+end result of fresh veggies.
if stressed out over garden+variables in garden, kind of defeats point of having garden to relieve stress via growing+eating veggies in 1st place.
plants survived before human cultivation+will survive if humans destroy themselves. their dna is longer than humans'+will adapt to survive even down river from toxic run-off.
if left alone, even a semi-sealed environment, will divide cells+reproduce on their own (hermies, seeds dropping in medium+germing, etc. to continue species). plant suffering in closed environs seems to come from too much human intervention in a process plants have been doing for 1000000+ years, or human neglect. as in most things, moderation promotes longevity to long-term success.
enjoy your veggies!
if stressed out over garden+variables in garden, kind of defeats point of having garden to relieve stress via growing+eating veggies in 1st place.
plants survived before human cultivation+will survive if humans destroy themselves. their dna is longer than humans'+will adapt to survive even down river from toxic run-off.
if left alone, even a semi-sealed environment, will divide cells+reproduce on their own (hermies, seeds dropping in medium+germing, etc. to continue species). plant suffering in closed environs seems to come from too much human intervention in a process plants have been doing for 1000000+ years, or human neglect. as in most things, moderation promotes longevity to long-term success.
enjoy your veggies!
Mashup my fellow pnw'r- I checked out that GrowLab 145 w/accessory kit, wouldn't a 178cfm fan and a can 33 not cut it for a tent that could easily hold a 1k grow. I under stand you'd run a separate fan for the light but the 4" and the can33 doesn't seem adequate?
MASHUP
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Mr. Tony
5' x 5' x 7' = 175 cubic feet, so it clears the room about once a minute. Seems right on to me. I fight low humidity rather than high, so depending on location you may want to move more air to lessen the chance of powdery mildew.
Those pieces were thrown together by the web shop I am guessing with budget in mind. I would personally run a 6" Vortex and filter and 8" Vortex for the light.
5' x 5' x 7' = 175 cubic feet, so it clears the room about once a minute. Seems right on to me. I fight low humidity rather than high, so depending on location you may want to move more air to lessen the chance of powdery mildew.
Those pieces were thrown together by the web shop I am guessing with budget in mind. I would personally run a 6" Vortex and filter and 8" Vortex for the light.
MASHUP
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Mr. Tony
That's perfect. I personally have just stuck with Vortex fans over the years because you buy one and never buy another one, they just work.
Carbon filters are carbon filters. I've tried many brands and am only unsatisfied with the Odorsok/Odorlok brand. I have two of their filters that after 3 or 4 months of use no longer remain as effective as a standard filter. Heck, even the ICMag DIY versions work better than these things.
Hope that helps.
Peace
That's perfect. I personally have just stuck with Vortex fans over the years because you buy one and never buy another one, they just work.
Carbon filters are carbon filters. I've tried many brands and am only unsatisfied with the Odorsok/Odorlok brand. I have two of their filters that after 3 or 4 months of use no longer remain as effective as a standard filter. Heck, even the ICMag DIY versions work better than these things.
Hope that helps.
Peace
IKILL3RI
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MASHUP
Thanks for the list too MASHUP forgot you had posted it.
IKILL3RI
BigGreen has solid information for you. That's not to say you can't be looking good doing it!
Check out my suggested kit for you:
GrowLab 145 w/accessory kit
Coolsun 8" w/400w ballast and bulb
8" Vortex
Sunstream 3'x3' econo-system
Hanna nutrient monitor
That's the basics. You'd have to do your own research on nutes. I recommend GH Flora Nova, or even their 3-part works like a champ. PH up and and PH down. Hanna supplies a packet of calibration solution, but you'll want to have a bottle of each on hand. I get retarded and calibrate once a week during bloom and double check my 24/7 meter with my Hanna handheld and still further reference it with a GH drip test kit.
If you're in a warmer climate like on the West Coast, then save some scratch for a decent A/C. Even if you cooled all of the air coming from the bulb, you still deal with radiant heat, which can be an issue in the summer. 400w though... piece of cake and can sit 12" above the plants.
Don't hesitate to ask any stupid questions you may have, we were all in that seat once ourselves. I'm solely here to entertain and help others.
BigGreen
Thanks bud, I'm glad you saved me some explainin'.
Peace
Thanks for the list too MASHUP forgot you had posted it.
very nice mashup..... looking forward to the results. are you going to use the same lights all the way through. or are you going to change out to hid.
what kind of lights are you going with. how long are you vegging for. are you going to be venting your hoods.
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