Growing indoors in soil in 100 gal or greater

[downeasta]

Hi all, (I posted this in the indoor soil forum as well, but thought you guys might be a good resource)

I'm looking for someone that has DONE 100 gal or larger indoor, in soil (I can play pretend as well as the next guy, and would like to hear from a person that actually participated in the grow). I'm looking for everything from strains that would be a good choice from a yield stand point, shooting for 12-15' height (BUT I want to grow something of quality), I like using Canna Bio but I'm open to any suggestions on nutes, my current strains are Train wreck, Big Bud, White Widow, OG Kush, and Purple Haze, what type of soil mix, how much light, and in what pattern (2X600 for each tree or 2X1000?) would you guys suggest going vertical with the lighting or just growing a giant lollipop? I was thinking about the lollipop idea and using 3 600's just on the top in a triangle type pattern, I can go 20' UP and plan on using Co2.

Any advice on any pit falls that I might run into going to this size, other than the obvious soil mixing, feeding, removal of soil, tying it up etc...

I'm trying to avoid the ready, fire, aim thing that happens and wastes a bunch of money and time.

Thanks for any and all help!!

Go Big or Go home

 

[greenpinky]

Man.... I'm telling u with those monsters the best is to get a few sky lights. I'm in the process of doing that now with my backroom and a 5x5 bubbled out sky light. My ceiling hight would be 16ft. But for using 2 1000w on a 13 ft. Plant might not be enough. I wana do both the great outdoor sunlight Bx with some perfect indoor climate. Lol sorry that's my dream

 

[dizzlekush]

IIRC you should not grow in any container that is more that 18" deep to insure that the entire rhizosphere has proper oxygen levels, unless using special containers designed for allowing air into the substrate.

Request to move this thread to the "indoor grows - soil" sub-forum.

 

[downeasta]

Any worries about the light showing thru in when in winter months? Trying to be as under the radar as i can.

 

[downeasta]

Good point, I was going to use the "Smart Pots" for that reason, the 100 gal is 20" deep, my thought is that this would be perfect for a plant of this size.

 

[vonforne]

Well I have not gone to 100 all together but I am running 3-50 gallon rubbermaid totes right now. They are 17 inch deep containers and are filled up to about 45 gallons each. I am running multiple strains from seed this time. Looks nice but I think that I will improve my yields when I cut to one or two strains in each container.

Here is a picture of the room before it was painted and the plants were just turned back about 2 to 3 weeks at the time of the picture. The strains are Black Widow, Afghan\Skunk IBL from the 90´s, Chemdawg DD x Hashberry (the biggest in the garden), and a container of 2 Durban Poison x BMR, 2 G13Haze and one more monster Afghan\Skunk.

I had vegged 2 of the containers for 4 to 5 weeks. They got big real fast in there. I have to many plants per container right now but am making selections for the next run and should have 2 strains per container. I do have a 3 plant 30 gallon tote of Hawaiians waiting to go into flower with another 30 gallons tote of 3 Skunk IBL´s.

I recycle my soil but with these it is the first run. I will just add EWC or regular compost when finished and plant directly in the containers with no time off.

here is the smallest of the whole group.....DP X BMR

And I make my own soil. See the NL 5 thread for what I use

 

[stonedar]

I'm no CO2 expert but, I think 20 foot canopy height may just break the budget in CO2 production. logistics nightmare.

 

[dizzlekush]

Well I have not gone to 100 all together but I am running 3-50 gallon rubbermaid totes right now. They are 17 inch deep containers and are filled up to about 45 gallons each. I am running multiple strains from seed this time. Looks nice but I think that I will improve my yields when I cut to one or two strains in each container.

Here is a picture of the room before it was painted and the plants were just turned back about 2 to 3 weeks at the time of the picture. The strains are Black Widow, Afghan\Skunk IBL from the 90´s, Chemdawg DD x Hashberry (the biggest in the garden), and a container of 2 Durban Poison x BMR, 2 G13Haze and one more monster Afghan\Skunk.

I had vegged 2 of the containers for 4 to 5 weeks. They got big real fast in there. I have to many plants per container right now but am making selections for the next run and should have 2 strains per container. I do have a 3 plant 30 gallon tote of Hawaiians waiting to go into flower with another 30 gallons tote of 3 Skunk IBL´s.

I recycle my soil but with these it is the first run. I will just add EWC or regular compost when finished and plant directly in the containers with no time off.

here is the smallest of the whole group.....DP X BMR

And I make my own soil. See the NL 5 thread for what I use

Vonforne you should know that its an accepted fact that multiple plants grow better in a single containter if they are the same cultivar/phenotype than if using different strains in a single container. here's a little reading: http://www.physorg.com/news177605869.html

So far everyone i know that has tried to emulate such experimentation has always had one pheno dominate and "crownd out" the other. go ahead and run multiple pheno's , but i suggest you keep it to 1 pheno for 1 container.

Nice lookin ladies BTW.

 

[downeasta]

Thanks for the help vonforne good idea.

I guess I'm of the mind that I want to do a single plant per 100 gal smart pot, the Co2 will just be introduced in a simple "rain" method from above ( nothing to fancy, the girls love any love you give them ), due to the size that I think these girls would get to ( thinking 6-9 months of veg??) my thoughts are to focus on each plants specific light needs by going with a single 1K with an open air hood, or 2-3-600's or 2-3-400's, also have to consider if I go lollipop style and prune EVERYTHING but the top and try to get her to push everything to the top and end up with a 15' tall work of art (think Bonsai tree).....or go vertical-ish with the lights, maybe put them on a rail type system and try to bring the lights up and down the plant ( with either 2,3 or maybe even 4 lights around each ) I want to give it that West Coast, 200 gal outdoor, looks like the trees running down Jed Clampetts drive way, just HUGE ass Ganja love bush kinda stuff....

.....and those thoughts right there is where I figured I can waste a ton of money and time ( and I don't have a ton of either to waste ) I have heard "legends" of a few people on the West coast that are doing it with GREAT results, but they must be staying ninja with it.

ANY help from someone that has done it would be a huge help.

Thanks guys

 

[dansbuds]

Merlot does his plants like your thinking of doing but with smaller smart pots . he was using 45 gallon but went back to 15 gallons & they have plenty of room to grow roots , no real need for a 100 gallon pot dude ... its over kill indoors .... outside is a different story though . check out merlo's grow & see what i mean .

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=216248

 

[vonforne]

Vonforne you should know that its an accepted fact that multiple plants grow better in a single containter if they are the same cultivar/phenotype than if using different strains in a single container. here's a little reading: http://www.physorg.com/news177605869.html

So far everyone i know that has tried to emulate such experimentation has always had one pheno dominate and "crownd out" the other. go ahead and run multiple pheno's , but i suggest you keep it to 1 pheno for 1 container.

Nice lookin ladies BTW.

Accepted fact........ but not really fact. Companion planting indoors with cannabis is coming about. Look around the forum. ML for one and there are others.

I will keep one strain....regardless of Pheno in one container. This is simple 1 of 3 runs I will do before I select the final phenos from each group.

I do plan on running different methods in different containers later. SOG, SCROG etc. Just for fun but the containers will end up being grow beds I think........just need more light.

V

 

[downeasta]

I know with the number of views that people are looking at this thread.....well then, if I could ask a favor of all you reading along, ask your friends and network buddies if they know of anyone doing it.

I'm willing to put up the cash and time (shooting for under 12 months) all I need is the help, I don't want to wing it, I think this is a reasonable project, If I asked you guys how to grow in a farm silo or even on the moon, I'm positive that at least one of you would raise their hand and say "yeah, we tried/did that".

I can't believe that I'm having an original thought, I thought that wasn't supposed to happen?

Help please....

 

[PuertoviejoKL]

I'm using 20 gal smart pots.. dunno if they need anymore room!

 

[Zen Master]

why the huge plants with 6 months of veg? why not just crop more normal sized trees more often?

 

[Hammerhead]

People just dont grow like that indoor. 100g smart pot wont fit through any of the doors so where ever you are you would need french doors to get it in and out...Allot of maintenance on a plant that size indoors that you would not need to do outdoor...To much trouble. Most want to max there space with smaller plants..

 

[CANNABEST]

100gal indoor.. hahaha.
where do you even find containers that size?

 

[Hammerhead]

they are easy to get 200g is the largest smart pot. 50.00 inches diameter by 24.00 inches deep. Holds 200 dry gallons of media

 

[downeasta]

I'm using 20 gal smart pots.. dunno if they need anymore room!

PuertoviejoKL

how long are you in veg with the 20's and what size do you get from the the strain that your using?

Thanks for the help

 

[downeasta]

People just dont grow like that indoor. 100g smart pot wont fit through any of the doors so where ever you are you would need french doors to get it in and out...Allot of maintenance on a plant that size indoors that you would not need to do outdoor...To much trouble. Most want to max there space with smaller plants..

The 100 gal smart pot would fit in a grocery bag, you can get it in anywhere you want....getting it out is the issue, you have to empty it first or you need a forklift and a garage door to take it out of.

and I have all of that.

as far a maintenance goes, in my opinion doing 200 in a sog for 4 cycles a year (total 800 plants a year) is a CRAP load of work, training, trimming, watering each (by hand ) etc, If you don't think that many plants is work, try it.

I want to babysit 10 or so LARGE girls that will produce the same as my 800 yearly total and let me spend more time with each one, to make sure it's as happy as it can be.

The other big reason is my state limits me to a very small number of plants, If I can do the same with less due to longer veg, more light, larger pots etc. then thats what I want to do.

 

[Krull]

A greenhouse makes more sense for big trees 'indoor'.

Peace

=K