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Growers struggle with glut of legal pot in Washington state
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Not to mention most people in polls respond they'd rather eat it than smoke
Wtf you get an ounce for $150? Is it legit and a named strain? I'm paying $400 an ounce
Fuck worrying about people not being able to make a fortune for little work. I want nobody in prison for herbs. That is more important to me.
Couldn't agree more.
Wayzer
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If these commercial producers fail, it would give a chance for a big dog (monsanto under an alias most likely) to swoop in and bail them out. Then in the process guarantee people genetics that dont get spider mites or powdery mildew and always give killer thc production, but the seeds must be purchased from them, just like corn crops.... And god knows what other genetic markers may be activated... And we know once monsanto is involved, laws tend do change, disappear and twist up quickly. Obviously an exaggerated example, in terms of this situation, but nevertheless possible.
we gotta realize MOST of these people that took advantage of the legalization are after the money, and not out to give people proper clean and high quality medicine.... so choose wisely who u support. we are guiding this evolution , lets do it consciously.
Cannabis isnt legal, unless you can grow it for yourself, so in the steps of legalization, we should at least assure ourselves that. Legal means LEGAL. not half legal, not that i can have 6 plants of which 3 can be mature. Legal as in its equivalent to a tomato or pepper plant. That needs to be the focus... we can't be "happy" with the current situation....
the goal was always to overgrow the world
we gotta realize MOST of these people that took advantage of the legalization are after the money, and not out to give people proper clean and high quality medicine.... so choose wisely who u support. we are guiding this evolution , lets do it consciously.
Cannabis isnt legal, unless you can grow it for yourself, so in the steps of legalization, we should at least assure ourselves that. Legal means LEGAL. not half legal, not that i can have 6 plants of which 3 can be mature. Legal as in its equivalent to a tomato or pepper plant. That needs to be the focus... we can't be "happy" with the current situation....
the goal was always to overgrow the world
did I read that right? they are paying about $4 per gram & expect to sell for $23 or so per gram? I'd smoke every fucking scrap of it myself before I would let the dispensary & the state make more $$$ than me...that is, IF I grew & sold pot, LOL! them boys sitting on 1500 lb need to convert it into oil & head it east...
Very good point I totally agree but there are consequences when the world tries to eradicate the most versatile plant in the world! With a failing agriculture system by introducing such a plant, it's sure to only make matters worse! So what you do? Stop the immoral persecution or speed up the decline of the food supply? I've struggled with this for years, but now the burden is off my shoulders, Mother Nature gonna teach us all who's in control! That new commercial "Man needs Mother Nature but mother doesn't need man! The politics of man made climate change & the organic hype will demonstrate who is standing on solid ground (good science) & who has built their house on sand.(bad science)
Yes I can get great weed with a name at the Pacific Cannabis Market or Galaxy Markets in Seattle for 150. I have gotten half a pound (couple weeks ago) of Cyclone for 700.
Part of it is me and my need to bargain and the other the glut in the market. There is a lot of weed in Seattle and competition is fierce. I feel sorry for people trying to make a go at it to be honest, but I have my own problems. They can make their money off of someone else, but not me.
Part of it is me and my need to bargain and the other the glut in the market. There is a lot of weed in Seattle and competition is fierce. I feel sorry for people trying to make a go at it to be honest, but I have my own problems. They can make their money off of someone else, but not me.
A glut is an overproduction for those like me who arent werent familiar with the word
In canada, they outlawed personal production of mmj for patients, they let companies deal with it. There is a company selling grams for 28-32$ (nothing under)
They justify it by saying they can guarantee stock (other comps sell 7-12$)
Also they say... Oh you know... We know its not for everyone.
30$ 1 g
Im all for lowered prices.
10$ 1/8 of bomb stuff sounds reasonable
I do sympathize with the people who lived off of this, who werent living luxurious lives that are having a hard time paying bills
In canada, they outlawed personal production of mmj for patients, they let companies deal with it. There is a company selling grams for 28-32$ (nothing under)
They justify it by saying they can guarantee stock (other comps sell 7-12$)
Also they say... Oh you know... We know its not for everyone.
30$ 1 g
Im all for lowered prices.
10$ 1/8 of bomb stuff sounds reasonable
I do sympathize with the people who lived off of this, who werent living luxurious lives that are having a hard time paying bills
Bad Habits
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great, so now we're gonna have a flood of pissed off growers moving down here to OR to try and capitalize on our market, since their state fucked theirs up for them...
great, so now we're gonna have a flood of pissed off growers moving down here to OR to try and capitalize on our market, since their state fucked theirs up for them...
Herb is probably cheapest in the nation in Oregon. If their growing for sale then Oregon's not happening.
Bad Habits
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I've already seen plenty of people posting about it on Instagram
great, so now we're gonna have a flood of pissed off growers moving down here to OR to try and capitalize on our market, since their state fucked theirs up for them...
Since the 90s there has always been commercial sensimellia available in this area.
in the 90s it was coming from Canada and it was coming in at the low 2s and being sold on the street as "exotics" at 2-3 x the price and most people who smoked "kind" bud were actually rocking beasters.
They were simply uneducated in regards to what real deal top quality really was.
To this day, I do not see anything close to real top shelf quality, even when they are done indoor locally.
There is a reason for this, and it still happens. Not that I don't doubt that there are proper weeds in Washington, CO, California or Oregon, but real "top shelf" isn't mass produced because the strains either take too much time to grow, don't yield enough, have some pest or pathogen weakness, have environmental requirements that can't be replicated properly by the grower, or simply suffer from the law of declining returns in regards to quality as people scale up their grow.
These aren't the only limiting variables but they all tend to revolve around one driving force.
Greed. Bigger Better Badder and its always in the favor of the persons wallet. This is where people start to do anything to make sure they get product on the street so they can protect their projected income.
Grow faster plants, use more agro-chemicals to deal with problems (instead of sound practices) and fuck everyone as long as you can get them stacks.
Id rather take old school import, that had but a few seeds and ceiling-less highs than smoke 95% of what people call "top shelf pot"
Even local indoor.
The thing about really good pot is no one is in a rush to get rid of it, not even the grower, its too nice.
If that isn't how you feel about your harvests regardless of how long your in the game then my guess is that you have a different set of priorities.
The prospect of money is a powerful lure and it cheapens everything we do.
Quality first and the money works itself out. Always does always will.
Goatstroker
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well said Weird.
didn't open enough stores?...
didn't expect Colorado to dampen demand?...and now Oregon, Alaska, DC, with more waiting in the wings to 'legalize', further diluting demand....oh yeah, its cheaper down on the corner...
expected medical growers to be folded into their scheme...
'they' will now need to outlaw all personal grows and close dispensaries to make their model work. redirecting that demand towards 'their' highly taxed stores...WTF 75%...nothing merits that high of tax!
this is the death knell for personal production grows. imo.
It won't happen because to make that system work you need to be able to work across state lines which is ruled by the Feds who don't have it legal and there is really no good reason yet to change that. As long as they maintain that they can profit heavily, shut down most anything they like but mostly leave it up to the states so that it appears you are giving the state sovereignty over it which most states want that. Plus it creates the playing field where those growing wealthy from it can be taxed to going broke due to tax laws created
in the prohibition days of alcohol where people like Al Capone were making bank off of distributing liquor. This forces the person into not being able to write off anything to do with their criminal activity. So these store owners end up paying most of their profits on taxes. If they don't pay they open the door for tax evasion. Like any other business they're in it to make a profit and so that added tax gets passed onto the consumer at $23 per gram. So for the Feds, largely allowing but leaving Medical/Recreational marijuana alone allow them:
To be perceived by states as granting them the sovereignty of there own marijuana laws.
Maintaining the ability to shut down any or all of it should they choose to.
Controlling to some extent it's use by driving prices way up.
And making a ton of money by charging these guys a nearly 50% higher effective tax rate then any other big or profitable business out there.
It's pretty much a win across the board for the Feds to allow what they're allowing the states to do with legalization.
Separate growers are likely to become practically obsolete. Most of the companies doing well in Colorado appear to be opening their own grows so they don't have to depend on growers.
They're not making all of that for themselves the Feds are getting the biggest slice of the profit pie of these companies.
