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Growers struggle with glut of legal pot in Washington state

yortbogey

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SEATTLE — Washington's legal marijuana market opened last summer to a dearth of weed. Some stores periodically closed because they didn't have pot to sell. Prices were through the roof.

Six months later, the equation has flipped, bringing serious growing pains to the new industry.

A big harvest of sun-grown marijuana from eastern Washington last fall flooded the market. Prices are starting to come down in the state's licensed pot shops, but due to the glut, growers are — surprisingly — struggling to sell their marijuana. Some are already worried about going belly-up, finding it tougher than expected to make a living in legal weed.

"It's an economic nightmare," says Andrew Seitz, general manager at Dutch Brothers Farms in Seattle.


State data show that licensed growers had harvested 31,000 pounds of bud as of Thursday, but Washington's relatively few legal pot shops have sold less than one-fifth of that. Many of the state's marijuana users have stuck with the untaxed or much-lesser-taxed pot they get from black market dealers or unregulated medical dispensaries — limiting how quickly product moves off the shelves of legal stores.

"Every grower I know has got surplus inventory and they're concerned about it," said Scott Masengill, who has sold half of the 280 pounds he harvested from his pot farm in central Washington. "I don't know anybody getting rich."

Officials at the state Liquor Control Board, which regulates marijuana, aren't terribly concerned.

So far, there are about 270 licensed growers in Washington — but only about 85 open stores for them to sell to. That's partly due to a slow, difficult licensing process; retail applicants who haven't been ready to open; and pot business bans in many cities and counties.

The board's legal pot project manager, Randy Simmons, says he hopes about 100 more stores will open in the next few months, providing additional outlets for the weed that's been harvested. Washington is always likely to have a glut of marijuana after the outdoor crop comes in each fall, he suggested, as the outdoor growers typically harvest one big crop which they continue to sell throughout the year.

Weed is still pricey at the state's pot shops — often in the $23-to-$25-per-gram range. That's about twice the cost at medical dispensaries, but cheaper than it was a few months ago.

Simmons said he expects pot prices to keep fluctuating for the next year and a half: "It's the volatility of a new marketplace."

Colorado, the only other state with legal marijuana sales, has a differently structured industry. Regulators have kept a lid on production, though those limits were loosened last fall as part of a planned expansion of the market. Colorado growers still have to prove legal demand for their product, a regulatory curb aimed at preventing excess weed from spilling to other states. The result has been more demand than supply.

In Washington, many growers have unrealistic expectations about how quickly they should be able to recoup their initial investments, Simmons said. And some of the growers complaining about the low prices they're getting now also gouged the new stores amid shortages last summer.

Those include Seitz, who sold his first crop — 22 pounds — for just under $21 per gram: nearly $230,000 before his hefty $57,000 tax bill. He's about to harvest his second crop, but this time he expects to get just $4 per gram, when he has big bills to pay.

"We're running out of money," he said. "We need to make sales this month to stay operational, and we're going to be selling at losses."

Because of the high taxes on Washington's legal pot, Seitz says stores can never compete with the black market while paying growers sustainable prices.

He and other growers say it's been a mistake for the state to license so much production while the rollout of legal stores has lagged.

"If it's a natural bump from the outdoor harvest, that's one thing," said Jeremy Moberg, who is sitting on 1,500 pounds of unsold marijuana at his CannaSol Farms in north-central Washington. "If it's institutionally creating oversupply ... that's a problem."

Some retailers have been marking up the wholesale price three-fold or more — a practice that has some growers wondering if certain stores aren't cleaning up as they struggle.

"I got retailers beating me down to sell for black-market prices," said Fitz Couhig, owner of Pioneer Production and Processing in Arlington.

But two of the top-selling stores in Seattle — Uncle Ike's and Cannabis City — insist that because of their tax obligations and low demand for high-priced pot, they're not making any money either, despite each having sales of more than $600,000 per month.

Aaron Varney, a director at Dockside Cannabis, a retail shop in the Seattle suburb of Shoreline, said stores that exploit growers now could get bitten in the long run.

"Right now, the numbers will say that we're in the driver's seat," he said. "But that can change. We're looking to establish good relationships with the growers we're dealing with."



http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gr...t-of-legal-pot-in-washington-state/ar-AA8ee7s
 

D. B. Doober

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WOW. People just sitting on hundreds of pounds and nowhere to move it. $23 a gram at a store? That's insane! Who would pay that?
 
Z

z-ro

I don't mean to be the asshole that said I told you so, but, I told you so....

This is happening in CO too, many stores stocked to the brim with product, and nobody there to buy it. What do you expect people from an already established black market to start paying 3x street just so they can say they're 'legal'. ROFLMFAO at the greedy chumps who invested millions into and industry in which they don't and never will belong....
 

SoufLondon

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23 bucks a gram seems excessive, even for the best bubble hash, let alone a commercial cash cropper strain.

Some peoples greed knows no limit
 

FunkBomb

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$23 a gram? How high do you have to be to justify something as stupid as that?

This entire situation is turning out to be one, stupid tragic comedy. These growers need to do some reading on macroeconomics to help them understand supply and demand. Once they do that they may understand what price does in relationship to supply and demand.

-Funk
 

D. B. Doober

Boston, MA
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imagine sitting on 1,500 pounds and you know rippers are out there looking to invade homes? I'd have a pillbox out front with a 50 cal browning
 

stoned-trout

if it smells like fish
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ha ha black market rules biotches....getting greedy and overtaxing weed like tobacco is backfiring bigtime....
 

dank.frank

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Unfortunately....there is another way this works out...

All the big money players in the game who have invested their millions decide to form a cartel and rather than competiting directly with one another decide how they are going to cut the market and create an artifical "balance" in order to control what is supposed to be a free market system...ala diamonds...



dank.Frank
 

hup234

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Unfortunately....there is another way this works out...

All the big money players in the game who have invested their millions decide to form a cartel and rather than competiting directly with one another decide how they are going to cut the market and create an artifical "balance" in order to control what is supposed to be a free market system...ala diamonds...



dank.Frank

Can't do that with a black market in place...
 

dank.frank

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You can if 80% of society is only willing to participate in something that is "legal"... ie regulated into oblivion.

The remaining participating in the black market will eventually only be supplying the outliers - the fringe groups...just like has always been the case.



dank.Frank
 

StoneyK

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What would actually do us some good is a pot growers union or coop, kinda like sunkist does. Instead of all the orange growers fighting over sales and market share they work together create a standard for quality regulate prices and make responsible decisions on sustainable production rates with sales in mind so they dont have fruit rotting in the markets unsold.
 

StoneyK

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I dunno frank with social media today the game has changed.
I drop at a walk in dispensary thats underground and has a serious following, no reason to think they would just go away. Not when the risk reward factor is so high
 

m314

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"Those include Seitz, who sold his first crop — 22 pounds — for just under $21 per gram: nearly $230,000 before his hefty $57,000 tax bill."

How could anyone expect to sell their harvest for over $10,000 a pound? That's still almost $8000 a pound after taxes. Prices aren't that high even in the states with the worst prohibition laws.

I might pay $21 a gram as a one time thing if I was there on vacation. You can't expect people to keep buying it at that price.
 

huligun

Professor Organic Psychology
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Like all markets there are glitches. No need to panic. The state should relax some of their taxes if you ask me. A gram of weed for 15 may be acceptable if it is good weed. I generally buy by the ounce in dispensaries for around 150. A gram of weed is a fucking joint.
 

Weird

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Voters got what they wanted and then moan when it ends up fucking them.

Now the government is taking a piece of what was exclusively middle and lower class income streams, as if they weren't struggling enough as it is.

Legal means governed and markets that are regulated and taxed are this are not free markets (free of regulation).

In this way black markets are more true to a free market model.

Regardless, challenges and opportunities are what Babylonian materialist markets are all about.

Not something to be too depressed about tbh, because weed will act as a catalyst for a change in perception and allow us to move mankind a bit closer to harmony.

If none of that matters to you and you are seeing your hopes and dreams quickly fade, remember narcissism is its own reward.
 

TheArchitect

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Like any new industry, the chumps need to be weeded out (pun intended).

You've got a bunch of dumbasses who went all in expecting to get 3200+ per pound when in all reality it will end up around 1000-2000 max depending on region.

That's just the reality. There are places selling flowers for 180/oz to the consumer in co. That means your wholesale price is 80-100 per oz.

Get used to it, if you can't make money at those prices you don't deserve a spot in the market. You'll have to create a niche market of high end/exotic product maybe some long flowering Sativa's etc.

Either that or become vertically integrated and do all processing from clone to consumer.
 
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