Growers are just saying NO to pot legalization

[JJScorpio]

In a way, it's the same with alcohol. My kids have friends whose parents are heavy drinkers. I'm leary letting them hang out there a lot because I don't want them thinking that this is what people should do. Also, things happen when people drink heavy (fighting, arguments, lack of supervision and the such) and I don't want them caught in the middle of something. It's going to be the same way with bud. Some parents aren't going to want their kids subjected to second hand smoke or watching people smoke. I got told by my oldest daughter the other day that she smoked a joint with friends. Hypocritically, lol, I told her I didn't want her making a habit of it until she finishes school. I did tell her I'd rather she smoked than drank but I really would wish she'd hold off getting into heavy smoking until she's of legal age. Why? I don't know. I guess it's just what parents say, lol....

 

[Shcrews]

It's so funny reading these posts about legalization of cannabis. The title says "growers" but the argument is always about "sellers" not wanting it legal. Kind of removes all doubt about the "no" posters I would say.

i know a lot of people who dont grow or sell ganja, well educated people, who are against the taxation of cannabis.

please remember who the greedy ones are... and they're not the people who post on icmag. your taxes support oppression worldwide.

 

[Anti]

please remember who the greedy ones are... and they're not the people who post on icmag. your taxes support oppression worldwide.

While I so much agree with the heart of your statement, I also happen to believe that by voting the people's desire for regulated legalization we may be able to start wheels turning that repeal these sorts of laws in other places. US Policy, like it or not, affects policy in many other parts of the world. If California becomes the New, Even-More-Progressive Amsterdam, we can expect big changes.

If the will of the people is that these new laws be enforced laxly (nobody going door to door to check on growroom dimensions, nobody paying attention to electric consumption, etc) the police will likely not be wasting a bunch of tax dollars and man-hours pursuing these things. Which will free up police to do work that is of benefit to the community.

Whether they actually do that is up to them. And you.

If this thing passes and the conservatives who voted against it don't see the sky falling... you could propose even further reductions in limitations for 2012! Once there are legitimate businesses providing commercially viable hemp paper, hemp building materials, clothing, etc., turning profits, hiring employees, building production and warehousing facilities.... it's going to be a lot easier to get the things we all truly want: out and out federal legalization.

 

[Shcrews]

new article from the LA Times...

"California Can't Legalize Marijuana"

this guy's argument is that prop 19 will not change international (or national) law, and is therefore impossible to enact.

 

[JJScorpio]

He's also the same guy that has articles stating the US controls what other countries do, lmao..... He should at least stick to one story......

Which is it? Does the US control other nations drug laws based on what we do here? Or is that not the case? I would have to say only a fool, or someone being paid to say different could say that Cali legalizing wouldn't loosen up the laws in other States, or Countries for that matter....

 

[Shcrews]

only time will tell on that one... he has a point though, with the current laws it would be a nightmare.. maybe Cali should declare independence

prop 666: california secedes from the union...

...would pass by a landslide

 

[cannaboy]

Nobody has controll over what you grow yourself!!! Nobody in cali needs lamps either!!

I think the feet distance between 20 yr olds is silly!!!

 

[215forLife]

Still wating for someone to prove that prop 19 doesn't affect prop 215 cultivation and sb420 collective association. I'm not talking about some lame faq. Show me a document that has full force of law in court that says so should prop 19 pass? The legislative analyst office report (which has full weight of law in Court) said that the taxes are uncollectable due to 5th ammendment to US Constitution, so thayts one out of 4 major problems eliminated. I can live with 3 out of 4,...

 

[GanjaAL]

Here is proof that is does effect it:

As for anyone that claims 215 and sb420 is protected because it says "paitients have right to consume and posses" please note it conspicously leaves our cultivation and collective association. The two cornerstones of prop 215 and Sb420.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

And are you "old school" or not? I love when people that are not old school say how the old school think.
I asked many friends over 50-60 and almost to a man they said vote YES on Prop 19. It is the youth that see 215 as a gold rush,
-SamS

so all you oldtimers had your fun, made your money off the cannabizz, but its not ok for the younger generation to do that?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

out and out federal legalization.

why do yall keep thinking federal legalization is gonna happen if it happens in california...

californians always have this attitude of smug "the rest of the country wants to be on our progressive bandwagon":

well wake up because they dont.


only a handful have medical laws, and restrictive ones at that.

most of the country does NOT back california, in fact i get the general feeling that most of the country hates california. (outside of smokers that is) we are the liberal bastion of Obama, anti-gun, anti constitution, illegal immigrant and welfare coddling, sanctuary state that repulses most red blooded conservative americans. Unless Sarah Palin comes out endorsing federal legalization or some shit LOL...i dont see it happening.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

...but it is a start, and if it passes in California.. it may well lay the way to cannabis being normalized within society......globally...

yea pots gonna become legalized in Japan (3-5 years possession), UAE (20+ years possession to death penalty), Singapore (10 years- death penalty) , Filipines (12 years - death), etc etc just because California legalized it.


well i guess it doesnt hurt to dream big...hey if in 10 years marijuana is legalized globally well then it will be a damn good thing, and il be in Japan smoking blunt on Mt Fuji...but i really just dont realistically see this happening.

i only see the destruction of the mom and pop growers in california, and our industry being taken over by heavyweight corporations.

then all the money will be in export to non med states.

 

[215forLife]

Yes4Prop215 would you change your no vote to a yes vote if two sentences were included in official ballot materials that guaranteed 215/sb420 and case law were protected along with a definative guarantee that we can ALL compete?

 

[Anti]

why do yall keep thinking federal legalization is gonna happen if it happens in california...

Only the most truly optimistic souls believe that federal legalization will immediately follow legalization in california.

However, if legalization happens in california and there are no increases in marijuana related deaths (likely to be lowered) or marijuana related crime (likely to be lowered) then the main reasons for arguing against it will be out the window. Similar to the wave of medical states that are still growing, you'd see other states begin to adopt similar measures.

How many states do you figure it will take to decriminalize marijuana before the fed gov't feels a need to step in and do so?

Do you really believe that all 50 states could legalize and the feds would keep it a schedule 1 narcotic?

 

[215forLife]

There is no such thing as a marijuana related death. Weed doesn't hurt anyone its the most beneficial substance to man.

 

[JJScorpio]

yea pots gonna become legalized in Japan (3-5 years possession), UAE (20+ years possession to death penalty), Singapore (10 years- death penalty) , Filipines (12 years - death), etc etc just because California legalized it.


well i guess it doesnt hurt to dream big...hey if in 10 years marijuana is legalized globally well then it will be a damn good thing, and il be in Japan smoking blunt on Mt Fuji...but i really just dont realistically see this happening.

i only see the destruction of the mom and pop growers in california, and our industry being taken over by heavyweight corporations.

then all the money will be in export to non med states.

You know damn well the point Gypsy was trying to make. Just face it, this thread is stupid to even keep open. Nothing but a waste of bandwidth. The people that simply smoke want it passed and commercial sellers want it to stay illegal. We get it.

You've gone as far as to try and bullshit people making them think that the med laws will be affected when the bill clearly states that this will not be affected. When something says "except", it means that's not included.

Some of us have fought and waited 30 years and more for someone to legalize, and now we have to listen to the greedmongers try and shoot it down. All because they won't be able to keep ripping people off. I only pray that there are enough smokers that get out there and get this done.

As far as I'm concerned if it takes the Govt getting involved to stop some of the greedy vultures that are charging 20, 30 and even more a gram then so be it. People charging that kind of money to sick people ought to get their asses kicked. Talk about greedy Pharmacutical companies. Some of them don't have anything on some of the commercial people ripping off med users......

As far as I'm concered each and every one of these threads have come close to running their coarse......

 

[SOTF420]

It's going to pass, so you can either be part of the cause and help make it happen or be a piece of shit trader and vote against it. Right now it is ILLEGAL for your average person to grow and smoke pot, this is going to change that and it's going to be a landslide of changes country wide as a result if we can get this passed into law. You people seriously think they are going to check to make sure your garden is exactly 5x5 feet? Now that is fucking hilarious because there will no longer be task forces busting marijuana growers in California unless they are huge illegal commercial operations or outdoor grows with tons of plants. 5 x 5 can also go a long way UP with vertical growing, shit if you did it right you can get many many pounds from just one harvest in a 5 x 5 in a vertical shelf system, and who needs to transport more than 1 ounce anyways? I ounce of HASH goes a long way! You can also grow TENS OF THOUSANDS of seeds in a 5 x5 space, so you know what time it is there!

 

[CaptainTrips]

Its going to pass? Based on what? Its already polling under 50% and the anti campaign hasn't even started yet.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Yes4Prop215 would you change your no vote to a yes vote if two sentences were included in official ballot materials that guaranteed 215/sb420 and case law were protected along with a definative guarantee that we can ALL compete?

in order for a yes vote...i want the 5x5 and 1oz limit modified to somehting more reasonable..at LEAST 10x10 and 8 ounces... i want the 18-21 age limit destroyed too beucase my cousin is 19 and i got a few friends under 21 that i smoke with....and i want more proof that 215 is safe because the word "except" doesnt really garuntee shit. all they gotta do is bring a new ballot abolishing 215, and this will be easier to do once 19 has passed.

i want across the board legalization...not tax and regulate under the disguise of legalization.

You know damn well the point Gypsy was trying to make. Just face it, this thread is stupid to even keep open. Nothing but a waste of bandwidth. The people that simply smoke want it passed and commercial sellers want it to stay illegal. We get it.

You've gone as far as to try and bullshit people making them think that the med laws will be affected when the bill clearly states that this will not be affected. When something says "except", it means that's not included.

Some of us have fought and waited 30 years and more for someone to legalize, and now we have to listen to the greedmongers try and shoot it down. All because they won't be able to keep ripping people off. I only pray that there are enough smokers that get out there and get this done.

As far as I'm concerned if it takes the Govt getting involved to stop some of the greedy vultures that are charging 20, 30 and even more a gram then so be it. People charging that kind of money to sick people ought to get their asses kicked. Talk about greedy Pharmacutical companies. Some of them don't have anything on some of the commercial people ripping off med users......

As far as I'm concered each and every one of these threads have come close to running their coarse......

i agree the threads are BS, but the assumptions and BS are coming from both sides... im not charging people 20 a G...im not ripping ANYONE off...if anything i bring affordable prices and a source of income for my circle. enough of the fear mongering from the YES side...saying that all those voting NO are profiteers and vultures preying on the sick, thats absolute horseshit. maybe some of us just dont want to see RL and Big Bizz take over our industry. monopolizing it under the disguise of feel good legalization.


and yes if it passes, im for sure getting on the bandwagon. il apply for a growing job in one of those warehouses if i have to shiet. but i think most of you are being too optimistic with the comparisons to wine tourism and the possibility that small growers can still compete.

and the average joe can avoid jailtime by simply getting his script. it took me about an hour tops to get mine in oakland. is it really that hard? enough with the "keep people out of jail" because all those people in jail wouldnt be there if they had gotten off their lazy asses and gotten their paperwork. and the rest of the people in jail WILL STILL BE IN JAIL UNDER TC2010 ANYWAYS!!

theres just to many negative things about this bill...i could live with maybe one or two things..but theres a multitude of shit compounding on eachother...plus with the latest article about 215 not actually being safe, nothing is for certain.

 

[Anti]

There is no such thing as a marijuana related death.

If a criminal kills someone in order to possess their marijuana, that is a marijuana related death. If marijuana is no longer a crime, criminals will no longer have any good reason to kill each other over it. So marijuana related deaths should drop.

This does not imply that anyone has died merely from smoking marijuana.