Grow Partner?

[Who?]

I've been toying with the idea of growing for a little over a year now. It has become more of a reality now. I finally got some money and plan on going ahead with the grow. However, there is something holding me up.

I have a friend, I've known him for about 6 years, which, at my age is a long time. He currently grows in his apartment. His grow op is small, some shop lights and one plant flowering at a time. However, I've told him that I plan on growing and he says he wants to help me out and throw down half of the startup costs for my grow. My grow will be significantly better then his, as I plan on going organic with a 400w hps inside of a Mill's Pride Cabinet.

Thing is, I'm not sure if I should go ahead with this. I think he has the idea that since he's throwing down half, he will get half the harvest, every harvest. Which is not cool. He's only going to be throwing down around $250.00 which is a significant amount of money, but.. I guess in his eyes it's a good investment. 50% of a harvest every 2 months.

What do you guys think? I guess I should talk to him about it but I don't want to be an ass and say 'you're not getting half my harvest every harvest'.

On the flip side, this guy is generous. He comes over almost every night and smokes me out since my money situation is kind of low. No spare money to throw at bud. So he helps me out there, without even thinking about it. So I'm not sure what his angle is. Your thoughts?

 

[Trichome Toker]

However, I've told him that I plan on growing

Wrong, wrong, wrong!

NEVER tell ANYONE your growing.

Not your own mother.

If you can't follow that rule, don't grow.

Grow partners are a total disaster.

Never grow with a partner.

Your chances of getting busted double, and the police will add on a conspiracy charge when you are caught.

All it takes is for your friend to get drunk and run his mouth to impress some girl etc.

If you can't keep the secret, how can you expect your friend to keep it?

Also, he will want half, and since you are growing it at your residence and taking all the risk, that is a BAD DEAL.

Also, fuck that 400W bulb.

Get a few 1000W bulbs, and grow giant fucking trees.

You can have less than ten plants, and get multiple pounds every harvest, and not face much jail time if caught.

400W is a waste of time.

You will get in just as much trouble for a few small plants under a 400W, as you will for a few huge plants under 3,000W.

If this guy all ready knows the address your growing at, DON'T GROW, until you find a new address and when you do, DON'T TELL ANYONE.

 

[Who?]

I guess I let it slip since I knew he grew. I'll just let him know I don't plan on growing, since I've already kind of started hinting it to him, since I knew it was a little shady.

 

[Trichome Toker]

You made the right decision, but I have to ask, does he know your address?

Even if you tell him you aren't growing, just him knowing your address, and knowing you considered growing is shady.

He could figure you are lying, and still give your name to the police if anything happens.

Believe me, people you think are your friends, they will go through their entire phone book dropping dimes on their buddies when they are looking at jail time.

A friend of a friend of a friend is related to a local narcotics detective.

He always tells me how people BEG to snitch out their friends after they are in the township holding cell for less than 1 hour.

Fucking bikers, tough guys, you name it, they all snitch.

 

[Who?]

Yes, as I said he comes over daily to have a smoke while we watch some TV and chill. I don't have much of a concern though, to be honest. But hey, maybe I'm just dumb

 

[Trichome Toker]

Well you might never have a problem.

Then again your friend might get busted in a few months and give you up.

Me personally, I won't grow at an address that ANYONE knows about period.

I couldn't sleep at night.

At the very least, keep your plant numbers low, and don't have any baggies, scales, cash, fancy toys around the house.

 

[Guest]

I say you both do exact set-ups at each of your places.

You can each try different stains and share the cuts.

Plus the risk is equal.

If your partnership goes bad, the most he'll lose is $250. What will you lose?

 

[Who?]

The most fancy thing my apartment has is a rear projection TV from 1990, lol. As for scales, baggies, cash.. Never have any of these on me. I only plan on having 6-10 plants at a time. 3 moms, 3 flower, and the rest in the clone chamber vegging. I'm going to check NORML now to get some facts about the laws again.

 

[Trichome Toker]

You can plead your charge down to possession if you have less than 10 plants 99% of the time, you won't do any time, probably some probation though.

My advice it get the most out of those 10 plants.

Grow trees.

I am harvesting around 5 pounds every 3 months or so with 6 plants right now.

Here is a thread from a dude who grows even bigger trees than me (longer veg) and gets 140+ ounces every 4 months with 7 plants: http://www.advancednutrientsmedical.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=15761

He does it in a one bedroom apartment.

Don't use only 400W I am telling you.

 

[Tropical Treats]

Partners = disaster. I have a friend I known for 15+years. He had nothing, so I decided to help him out and made him my partner so that he can have some income and smokes. After I taught him how to grow, and made him tons of money, he decided that he did'nt need me anymore, and tried to kick me out of my own system. Greed almoust always takes over when it comes to illegal business. Best not have partners, unless you want to lose a friend at it too. Peace and stay safe.

 

[Who?]

These are the laws from my state.
Possession
20 g or less misdemeanor 1 year $1,000
More than 20 g felony 5 years $5,000

Sale or Cultivation
Delivery of 20 g or less misdemeanor 1 year $1,000
25 lbs or less felony 5 years $5,000
25 to 2,000 lbs (or 2,000 plants) felony 3 years MMS* $25,000
2,000 to 10,000 lbs (or 10,000 plants) felony 7 years MMS* $50,000
10,000 lbs (or 10,000 plants) or more felony 15 years MMS* $200,000
Within 1,000 feet of school, college, park or other specified areas felony 15 years $10,000


This is kind of confusing. Does this mean that I will get the same punishment for growing one plant as I would up to 2,000?! Or does that mean that I would have a felony charge with up to 5 years in prison?

I have NO previous record, about the worst thing I've done is gotten a speeding ticket, which was dismissed in court. Besides the fact that I plan on growing, I'm an upright citizen. I have a full time job, I plan on going back to school next semester, I'm generally a good guy, although the law won't take notice to much of the above.

 

[Who?]

Partners = disaster. I have a friend I known for 15+years. He had nothing, so I decided to help him out and made him my partner so that he can have some income and smokes. After I taught him how to grow, and made him tons of money, he decided that he did'nt need me anymore, and tried to kick me out of my own system. Greed almoust always takes over when it comes to illegal business. Best not have partners, unless you want to lose a friend at it too. Peace and stay safe.

Actually, there will be no money involved. If I go ahead with this guy we won't be selling a single gram of the bud. Simply baking whenever we want.

 

[Trichome Toker]

For less than 10 plants all most any prosecutor in the country will let yo slide with probation 99% of the time.

A month or so in county jail with a TV in your cell playing poker worst case scenario.

Read this article though:

http://www.advancednutrientsmedical.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=15761

If your going to take this risk, you might as well get the most out of your plant numbers.

You can get several pounds from 6 plants, if you have the right lighting.

 

[Who?]

You can plead your charge down to possession if you have less than 10 plants 99% of the time, you won't do any time, probably some probation though.

My advice it get the most out of those 10 plants.

Grow trees.

I am harvesting around 5 pounds every 3 months or so with 6 plants right now.

Here is a thread from a dude who grows even bigger trees than me (longer veg) and gets 140+ ounces every 4 months with 7 plants: http://www.advancednutrientsmedical.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=15761

He does it in a one bedroom apartment.

Don't use only 400W I am telling you.

I kind of have to use a 400W. Mainly because of space and security. I'm in a one bedroom apartment and I'm only growing for my head stash. I won't be selling any of it. Most I need is 2oz per month, no more, and probably a lot less. If I had 5lbs every 3 months I'd need to sell it, I don't want that kind of weight around me.

 

[Trichome Toker]

Fair enough.

Just remember that selling anything less than 20 grams is a misdemeanor in your state.

Even with 400W you are going to get way more than 2 ounces.

 

[Guest]

i have somewhat of a simlar situation. I agreed to only one grow though. we both threw in for stuff, but i made sure i bought the important things so that i would be able to go on my own after the 4 months. i bought the lights, ballasts, nutes, genetics. i made it very clear what my intentions were and after this is done we go our seperate ways.

6 years huh, hmm, that would bring you to...what, 18-22?

Even though everything's done "together" there will be a point where one tries to out-weigh the other.
You need to make your intentions clear, if you decide to trust the individual.
if you can't be straight up about it and assess the risks then i wouldn't get involved.
simply paying 50/50 doesn't "evenly" split the situation
and if you get caught, that 50/50 doesn't split the punishment.

i know this because even now, there's talks about what he wants to "breed" and how he wants to make seeds....and all i can ask myself is..."with what?.....my seeds?"

 

[Who?]

Yeah. I figure I'll get around 6ounces per harvest in my beginning stages. Meaning about 3 ounces per month. This should do fine for me and some friends who may stop by and want to have a smoke.

Thanks for your advice, TT, I really appreciate it.

 

[Who?]

i have somewhat of a simlar situation. I agreed to only one grow though. we both threw in for stuff, but i made sure i bought the important things so that i would be able to go on my own after the 4 months. i bought the lights, ballasts, nutes, genetics. i made it very clear what my intentions were and after this is done we go our seperate ways.

6 years huh, hmm, that would bring you to...what, 18-22?

Even though everything's done "together" there will be a point where one tries to out-weigh the other.
You need to make your intentions clear, if you decide to trust the individual.
if you can't be straight up about it and assess the risks then i wouldn't get involved.
simply paying 50/50 doesn't "evenly" split the situation
and if you get caught, that 50/50 doesn't split the punishment.

i know this because even now, there's talks about what he wants to "breed" and how he wants to make seeds....and all i can ask myself is..."with what?.....my seeds?"

Yeah, I'm 20. You're situation sounds exactly like ours. I trust the guy with my life, to be honest with you. I don't THINK that he would fuck me over but, you never know. Thing is, he has a few grows already under his belt, and I've seen what he can do, even with just shop lights, and it's pretty good man.

I will say though that, he said once he moves out of his current apartment, and into his next, he says I can bring the cabinet to his house, and the agreement will stay the same. I forgot to mention that earlier. He's going to be moving out wihtin the next 4-6 months or so, so that would be 1-2 grows in my apartment before it's changed to his new apartment.

Thoughts?

 

[Guest]

well it comes down to you and what you think your relations are capable of.
I can tell you don't do it, and the reality might be you never got caught
or i might say go for it man! and then you guys get caught.
experience, although great in this situation, wouldn't be the only green light for me.

if you're starting from scratch then i'd assume you'd get about 1 grow out of it with 3 weeks veg of the next crop if timed correctly.

again it's up to you man, i chose to trust this individual because i did not have a place of my own to grow and since popping the seeds in the beginning of dec i have found my own place. So i'm sticking with my end of the deal. Now after this harvest is done his cannabis career will be his own responsibility. I'm not lending lights, i'm not selling genetics. hell, i'm not going through all the trouble so someone can glide in my wake. see what i mean? you might have a great relation with him, i know. I knew one of my best friends from high school for 5 years, it only took one mistaken word from my mouth that he misunderstood and he decided not to talk to me for like 60 days, and i didn't even do anything.
see what i mean? you could say something one day that will just ruin the situation.
it's your life, i can show you the door. you gotta walk through it bro.
can you put in the work by yourself? You plant them, You take care of them. You harvest. but with that....You take the blame.
every member on here has to make that decision.
good luck bro

 

[Trichome Toker]

Yeah. I figure I'll get around 6ounces per harvest in my beginning stages. Meaning about 3 ounces per month. This should do fine for me and some friends who may stop by and want to have a smoke.

Thanks for your advice, TT, I really appreciate it.

No problem.

I am not saying you should sell.

I am just saying that if a little bird did sell to some close friends, he should sell less than 20 grams at a time, and the bird's friends shouldn't know his grow address.

Also, he should keep all his cash at a location other than his grow house.