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Greek Kalamata - Identify Lineage

l33t

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:)

Thanks for your input gert lush :) I guess you were a good student at the history class :p

One thing is for sure....

I am going to Kalamata this summer :D I have some friends there so I will have the chance to talk to older people that will know some things for sure... and maybe share some seeds...

Kalamata... here I come !

Btw I asked a reputable african breeder and he said that he sees no African genetics in it... Does anyone know where colombian genetics come from ? I am pretty sure America didn't have any cannabis until 1000AC which were brought by Vikings maybe ? I can see a great resemblance ( at least in leaf structure ) with some central/south american genetics...especially with that particular colombian from Aldous... I will also search for some lebanese or nepalese pure sativa plants to compare to the kalamata... Oh god that is mindboggling...
 
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@l33t - Nah, I was crap at history in school, mate, I never even did it.
It was only later, when I acquired other interests that history suddenly became interesting! :wink: Who says weed can't be educational? LOL

BTW, don't ask me why, but I have this feeling you'll have a great time in Kalamata!!
I'm sure we'll all expect a report-back.
I saw your thread in "uk" as well, but I thought I'd rather answer here - let's keep it INTERNATIONAL!
 
Herbalistic

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Yeah, I agree with Dubi that the only real way to reveal the genetics behind Kalamata, is analyze it´s genome and compare it to different landrace varieties.

Otherwise, we can only quess where it´s from...

Jassus Gert :wave: Did your 303 survive?
 
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if you look at Holland or California and the wide variety of strains that have been developed in a mere few decades......can you imagine the wonderful varieties that were developed in past civilizations over hundreds of years?...many of these tribes, countries and areas encouraged the growing and use of drug cannabis over centuries

I remember reading one account of hashmaking in the north of Greece written about a hundred years ago...he wrote that women and men from the mountain village, and also the local priest, all joined in and helped with the seiving, pressing and packing..the writer said that after a few hours of processing, everyone in the room was acting goofy, laughing and singing from effects of the hash dust floating around the room...

I may of read this in "White Rabbit", an anthology of drug related stories ?.. but that's a guess


Is Greece very strict on kannabis? do they give out jail terms for small amounts? or are things more relaxed now in Greece?
 
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"Is Greece very strict on kannabis? do they give out jail terms for small amounts? or are things more relaxed now in Greece?"

Well , yes things are more relaxed... Basically,nobody goes to jail for the first time if he can prove it is for personal use... But if you are caught again it's more harsh ( but it doesnt mean youll go to jail ) ... actually not many people go for a personal amount... but plants is a different thing and you may go to jail ( but I have heard many stories that if you can prove its for personal use )... you get the point....

But yes things are quite harsh in Greece compared to other countries... and our police is one of the worst in the world ... but in places like Crete or Kalamata .. the local people protect their crops with guns (big crops) ... so police can't go there unless they are a whole army ( which happens sometimes ) and there is lots of gun fight... lol.. Lots of Crete and Kalamata is being exported to Holland and you can find it there , but under different names ( because it is illegal for them to import from Greece and it is illegal for us to export to Holland ) so maybe that haze you liked so much there was indeed Kalamata :p
 
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l33t said:
Lots of Crete and Kalamata is being exported to Holland and you can find it there , but under different names ( because it is illegal for them to import from Greece and it is illegal for us to export to Holland ) so maybe that haze you liked so much there was indeed Kalamata :p
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That's really ironic
 
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Raco said:
I´ve read that the best cannabis comes from Andravida :D
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Not true, I'm afraid.
Where on earth did you get that from?

Andravida used to produce hash in recent historical times (before hash was outlawed in Greece) but this has not been the case for a while. You'd struggle to find a joint these days.

Further, this was mass-produced hash, I very much doubt it had the quality of bud from further South (Kalamata).
 
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Gert Lush said:
Not true, I'm afraid.
Where on earth did you get that from?
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So you smoke weed because you have a down right nasty case of glaucoma huh? :dueling:
 
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i`ll go ahead and add my opinion. its an african stabilized version of a 1970s thai. my guess is that it was stabilized near Ethiopia or Sudan. i`m looking at only about 15 factors and i`ll have maybe 10-15 more factors to include after i see more development. :)

looks killer! keep her going!

many dry places in Africa are bad for outdoor cannabis, but breeding in such a non-indigenous place will lead to more genetic recessive genes. this will create more mutants that can be stabilized.
 
l33t

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raco:

I ve heard many good things about Andravida... I have heard both hash and marijuana was consumed there and that it was of a very high quality but that's it.. I don't have heard any other historical facts about this place.. I do have smoked pure sativa ( or mostly sativa ) buds from Andravida and it was totally sativa , in terms of looks and effects , and one of the best smokes I had in my life . Actually , very close to the Kalamata strain in terms of effects

Gert Lush:

I really don't have any proof but I have read/known that Andravida used to produce as much hash as marijuana/buds ( just different times ) ... but I do know that there was an indica strain that was cultivated in Peloponiso ( and most probably Andravida ) for hash production. That is for sure. BUT I do have smoked recent Andravida bud [ 30km from Pirgo Ilias ] and it was definetely pure sativa or mostly sativa , very close to the Kalamata strain, in terms of effects... Btw I think it was JimmyEatWorld that was saying that Andravida produced excellent buds and not hash. But I agree with you that is not the place where the best cannabis is coming from , although they do grow some amazing shit :p And I also kinda disagree that you'd struggle to find a joint these days... yes it is not widely available but if you are in Peloponisos I think youll easily get some buds from this area.

psi007 : Very nice ! That is the kind of answers I am looking for ... and I can definetely agree with you in Thai/African genetics.. but can I ask you what made you think it is coming from Ethiopia/Sudan ? Flowering times ?
 
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Wow!

Wow!

High I33t!

Kalamata seems to be a very nice place.

Excellent Olive Oil, and the kind of mediterranean landscape I like so much.

This is definitely on my "travel list".

In my opinion any place that allows Olive trees grow to their full potential is also ideal for cannabis production.

I heard you also got a shitload of Albanian weed in Greece,- is that true?

Talk to you soon, buddy.

Take care,


spice
 
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I seem to remember reading not long ago that Greece was the largest cannabis producer by far in the Mediterranean area until up WWII, and that it was totally eradicated commercially by the juntas later on. My history is also quite sketchy - but I can dig it out.
 
JimmyEatWorld

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Terrible times in Kalamata ...

Almost all of the Peloponnese peninsula was devastated by fires about a week ago.64 people died.The mountains over Amaliada,Andravida,Pyrgos were burned,but also the villages at the coastline were burned.The fire stopped at the sea.

At Messinia (Kalamata province) fire burned olive trees and a lot of crops, but local people manage to stop the fire at the corn fields some kilometers outside the Kalamata city. The villages at Alagonia area, where the best Cannabis is supposed to come from,were badly hurt from the fire.

These areas produce some of the finest olive oil and all of the people at the villages depend on olive trees and goats/sheeps.All of them are gone. Let's hope that some crops, whether they are olives,corn,cannabis, survived and these people manage to earn some money to survive ...
 
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Catastrophic dammage.........

To much of my family and there olive trees too.
THIS SUCKS BAD......and in the BEST part of greece.
Now ill bet there not much to see,my family losted 500 trees plus!
SOme fukers start fires every year to gain goverment land to build?
THey need to be BURNED IN PUBLIC PERIOD.
 
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Sad I hope this didn't kill off the cannabis culture in Greece :'(
 
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