Got phone call from a bestfriend since we were babies???

[Mtn Dew]

Ok feds kicked in his doors . Due to he was busted with bout 60,000$ on the east coast . Never been in trouble in his life but they got him charged with conspricey to commit crime , and money laundering and taped convos to his connect .

They found no drugs or anything just the money few wks ago and kicked in his doors this morning we got a lawyer etc best money can buy in the state we live in .which is a medical state . what do u think the outcome will be or has any of u been down this road. any advice is welcome

 

[ak-51]

You haven't given enough information for anybody on here to make an accurate estimate of the outcome, and maybe you shouldn't if there is an ongoing investigation.

If you decide you want to share more anyway, the info you've given is a little confusing. The feds raided him twice or once? Were his doors kicked in because he was found somewhere with $60k, or was the $60k found when they raided him? Where did they find the money? Are you connected? When you say "we got a lawyer" do you mean you got one for him or with him. Did you get one for yourself because you feel like the trail will lead back to you? I hear Indiana mentioned and also "medical state", which would not be Indiana; so his/your operations/work/whatever extended across state lines? How bad was the information on the wiretap?

Again you probably should be careful about which of these questions you answer, if any.

 

[GMT]

owning cash isn't illegal. Be interesting to know what's on the tape. Money laundering is serious, but hard to prove. If your lawyer really is on the ball, I can't see them making it stick. Hadn't he just got back from the casino?

 

[Mtn Dew]

You haven't given enough information for anybody on here to make an accurate estimate of the outcome, and maybe you shouldn't if there is an ongoing investigation.

If you decide you want to share more anyway, the info you've given is a little confusing. The feds raided him twice or once? Were his doors kicked in because he was found somewhere with $60k, or was the $60k found when they raided him? Where did they find the money? Are you connected? When you say "we got a lawyer" do you mean you got one for him or with him. Did you get one for yourself because you feel like the trail will lead back to you? I hear Indiana mentioned and also "medical state", which would not be Indiana; so his/your operations/work/whatever extended across state lines? How bad was the information on the wiretap?

Again you probably should be careful about which of these questions you answer, if any.

As in i took him money for a lawyer he had gave me for this type of thing . he was pulled over and they found the money 3-4 wks ago

they raided his house this morning and found nothing just walked out with a registered AR15 in his name and its legal and a 45. all legal

we is cause this is like my brother and imma be right beside him through this whole ordeal and help any way i can i know he do the same for me .i just smoke and grow my own im not involved. "nothing running at the moment"


this guys record is clean as a whistle and no drugs were envolved other then recorded convos of threats made on other ppl who owed the group money and they knew his every move for last 3-4wks (large ammounts 100+)how much he was picking up what money was coming back .

 

[Capital G]

Money laundering is the only thing that will stick or should I say they'll end up plea bargaining a conviction for....3 yrs max at a fed camp or low custody facility. They need a testimony or evidence for the conspiracy. From what you've said, the only evidence they have is money....I know a few people that caught that case. One was caught with around 140k got 3 yrs...did some programs while he was down and came home in 16 months I think...another got caught with 2.5m or should I say they got it out of the house, this was '02 I believe...they set him up (feds)...acting like a new Colombian plug, but he recognized it and played them and ended up beating the conspiracy. They convicted him on the money, I know he wasn't gone that long less than 2 yrs aswell, but he's still on probation now. Jacob the jeweler did just came home for money laundering...google how much time he did then you should get a better idea of what he's facing...Jacob cooperated though. Having a great lawyer helps tremendously, they'll break bread with the P.A. and the judge if you spent good money.

 

[cody2white]

Only a lawyer could help in this situation and i honestly dont think anyone here could give u sound legal advice for his outcome .. but we can say it definitely could of been a lot worse for your fella and and he will have a future in front of him. Hopefully he can claim that 60k

 

[Avinash.miles]

sounds shady,
my2c

 

[Mtn Dew]

sounds shady,
my2c

yea were thinking someone who was below the main guy was jealous my friend was starting to be asked to do things that person was normally asked to do . that same person was caught a few weeks ago swooped by feds . So he made the perfect target "my buddy" w/o hitting main person

im a working man and straight as a arrow .other then 3-5 plant grows i do when i run out of meds, which takes a long while for someone who smokes a bowl or two before bed every night .also i live in mich and a legal card holder. Ppl who i grew up with trust me and they know i have my own money . So its nothing for ppl to hand me money and tell me to hold on to it or put it in my account for them. I never ripped off anyone in my life .

 

[medmaker420]

You guys are speaking about potential jail time and running around on public forums about it, WHY?

how many other people have you ran your mouth about this to?

loose lips sink...... what was it?

real people in real trouble do not run to a public grow forum for help but to their mommies and daddies and locate LAWYERS.

 

[Mtn Dew]

I swear growers would be smarter about posting shit like this.

So I killed someone the other day, do you think I will get caught? should I contact a lawyer?

You guys are speaking about potential jail time and running around on public forums about it, WHY?

how many other people have you ran your mouth about this to?

loose lips sink...... what was it?

real people in real trouble do not run to a public grow forum for help but to their mommies and daddies and locate LAWYERS.

STFU & GTFO here serious im not involved nor do i break the rules and limits of my card . I work everyday and also no grow goin on atm . Who fucking cares a buy a oz off the guy from time to time to smoke when i run out of meds in the summer cuz i cant grow in hotter months

other then that this dude is like my brother i grew up with him one of few trust worthy friends i have ect im not turning my back on him he wouldnt me what the fuck they going to do with me i work 10-12hrs a day pay taxs get a paystub every friday from the bank and make bout 2-4000 a wk trimming trees for the largest tree company in motor city what are they going to do take my lil oz of weed from me atm 5grms and take me off to jail for being a legal medical patient over his ordeal ???? GTFO here with that mess seriously they can investigate me all they like i can prove my income and havea card for medical and been at same company for 35yrs

 

[medmaker420]

well if I was going through this shit and my brother was posting this shit in a forum I would be fuckin pissed.

take it for what it is but if it is SERIOUS the last thing you need to do is run your mouth online

take it for what it is and by all means tell me to get the fuck out and shut the fuck up but the truth is the truth brother

 

[Mtn Dew]

well if I was going through this shit and my brother was posting this shit in a forum I would be fuckin pissed.

take it for what it is but if it is SERIOUS the last thing you need to do is run your mouth online

take it for what it is and by all means tell me to get the fuck out and shut the fuck up but the truth is the truth brother

i would never say shit to law enforcement and who cares like i said im not envolved and nor does anyone here know his name or who he is your taking shit overboard if it was me in trouble yes u have a valid point but its not this dude doesnt touch computers or anything and ever herd of proxy server maybe u should look one those up see what it does

 

[tokinblackguy]

Federal and State and 2 entirely different beasts, let's be clear about that. I won't give opinion on what "could" happen as I am no lawyer and I do not know the specifics of the situation. I will however offer up some legal notes for the state of Indiana, presuming that's where he is being charged. Again, this is just based off of what I got from your posts. Your friends specific charges could vary.

My opinion though is your friend should have layed low after that 60k was found, especially if he had no way to prove the income. Taped conversations is just as good as if he'd said it in front of 5 Fed's and the judge. When will folks learn to stop talking on the damn phone, I don't care how good you think your "code" is.

 

[medmaker420]

did you ask if I ever heard of the 5th, you know what nevermind LOL.

stay up brother and hope all goes well.

 

[tokinblackguy]

Money Laundering

Money Laundering

November 1, 2011 GUIDELINES MANUAL §2S1.1

PART S - MONEY LAUNDERING AND MONETARY TRANSACTION REPORTING
Historical Note: Introductory Commentary to this Part, effective November 1, 1987, was deleted effective November 1, 1990 (see
Appendix C, amendment 342).

§2S1.1. Laundering of Monetary Instruments; Engaging in Monetary Transactions in
Property Derived from Unlawful Activity

(a) Base Offense Level:

(1) The offense level for the underlying offense from which the laundered
funds were derived, if (A) the defendant committed the underlying
offense (or would be accountable for the underlying offense under
subsection (a)(1)(A) of §1B1.3 (Relevant Conduct)); and (B) the offense
level for that offense can be determined; or
(2) 8 plus the number of offense levels from the table in §2B1.1 (Theft,
Property Destruction, and Fraud) corresponding to the value of the
laundered funds, otherwise.

(b) Specific Offense Characteristics

(1) If (A) subsection (a)(2) applies; and (B) the defendant knew or believed
that any of the laundered funds were the proceeds of, or were intended to
promote (i) an offense involving the manufacture, importation, or
distribution of a controlled substance or a listed chemical; (ii) a crime of
violence; or (iii) an offense involving firearms, explosives, national
security, or the sexual exploitation of a minor, increase by 6 levels.
(2) (Apply the Greatest):
(A) If the defendant was convicted under 18 U.S.C. § 1957, increase
by 1 level.
(B) If the defendant was convicted under 18 U.S.C. § 1956, increase
by 2 levels.
(C) If (i) subsection (a)(2) applies; and (ii) the defendant was in the
business of laundering funds, increase by 4 levels.
(3) If (A) subsection (b)(2)(B) applies; and (B) the offense involved
sophisticated laundering, increase by 2 levels.

– 315 –

§2S1.1 GUIDELINES MANUAL November 1, 2011

Commentary

Statutory Provisions: 18 U.S.C. §§ 1956, 1957, 1960 (but only with respect to unlicensed money
transmitting businesses as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 1960(b)(1)(C)). For additional statutory
provision(s), see Appendix A (Statutory Index).

Application Notes:

1. Definitions.—For purposes of this guideline:
"Crime of violence" has the meaning given that term in subsection (a)(1) of §4B1.2 (Definitions
of Terms Used in Section 4B1.1).
"Criminally derived funds" means any funds derived, or represented by a law enforcement
officer, or by another person at the direction or approval of an authorized Federal official, to
be derived from conduct constituting a criminal offense.
"Laundered funds" means the property, funds, or monetary instrument involved in the
transaction, financial transaction, monetary transaction, transportation, transfer, or
transmission in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1956 or § 1957.
"Laundering funds" means making a transaction, financial transaction, monetary transaction,
or transmission, or transporting or transferring property, funds, or a monetary instrument in
violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1956 or § 1957.
"Sexual exploitation of a minor" means an offense involving (A) promoting prostitution by a
minor; (B) sexually exploiting a minor by production of sexually explicit visual or printed
material; (C) distribution of material involving the sexual exploitation of a minor, or possession
of material involving the sexual exploitation of a minor with intent to distribute;
or (D) aggravated sexual abuse, sexual abuse, or abusive sexual contact involving a minor.
"Minor" means an individual under the age of 18 years.

2. Application of Subsection (a)(1).—

(A) Multiple Underlying Offenses.—In cases in which subsection (a)(1) applies and there
is more than one underlying offense, the offense level for the underlying offense is to be
determined under the procedures set forth in Application Note 3 of the Commentary to
§1B1.5 (Interpretation of References to Other Offense Guidelines).
(B) Defendants Accountable for Underlying Offense.—In order for subsection (a)(1) to
apply, the defendant must have committed the underlying offense or be accountable for
the underlying offense under §1B1.3(a)(1)(A). The fact that the defendant was involved
in laundering criminally derived funds after the commission of the underlying offense,
without additional involvement in the underlying offense, does not establish that the
defendant committed, aided, abetted, counseled, commanded, induced, procured, or
willfully caused the underlying offense.
(C) Application of Chapter Three Adjustments.—Notwithstanding §1B1.5(c), in cases in
which subsection (a)(1) applies, application of any Chapter Three adjustment shall be
determined based on the offense covered by this guideline (i.e., the laundering of
criminally derived funds) and not on the underlying offense from which the laundered
funds were derived.

3. Application of Subsection (a)(2).—

(A) In General.—Subsection (a)(2) applies to any case in which (i) the defendant did not
commit the underlying offense; or (ii) the defendant committed the underlying offense
(or would be accountable for the underlying offense under §1B1.3(a)(1)(A)), but the
offense level for the underlying offense is impossible or impracticable to determine.
(B) Commingled Funds.—In a case in which a transaction, financial transaction, monetary
transaction, transportation, transfer, or transmission results in the commingling of
legitimately derived funds with criminally derived funds, the value of the laundered
funds, for purposes of subsection (a)(2), is the amount of the criminally derived funds,
not the total amount of the commingled funds, if the defendant provides sufficient
information to determine the amount of criminally derived funds without unduly
complicating or prolonging the sentencing process. If the amount of the criminally
derived funds is difficult or impracticable to determine, the value of the laundered funds,
for purposes of subsection (a)(2), is the total amount of the commingled funds.
(C) Non-Applicability of Enhancement.—Subsection (b)(2)(B) shall not apply if the
defendant was convicted of a conspiracy under 18 U.S.C. § 1956(h) and the sole object
of that conspiracy was to commit an offense set forth in 18 U.S.C. § 1957.

4. Enhancement for Business of Laundering Funds.—

(A) In General.—The court shall consider the totality of the circumstances to determine
whether a defendant who did not commit the underlying offense was in the business of
laundering funds, for purposes of subsection (b)(2)(C).
(B) Factors to Consider.—The following is a non-exhaustive list of factors that may indicate
the defendant was in the business of laundering funds for purposes of subsection
(b)(2)(C):
(i) The defendant regularly engaged in laundering funds.
(ii) The defendant engaged in laundering funds during an extended period of time.
(iii) The defendant engaged in laundering funds from multiple sources.
(iv) The defendant generated a substantial amount of revenue in return for
laundering funds.
(v) At the time the defendant committed the instant offense, the defendant had one
or more prior convictions for an offense under 18 U.S.C. § 1956 or § 1957, or
under 31 U.S.C. § 5313, § 5314, § 5316, § 5324 or § 5326, or any similar offense
under state law, or an attempt or conspiracy to commit any such federal or state
offense. A conviction taken into account under subsection (b)(2)(C) is not
excluded from consideration of whether that conviction receives criminal history
points pursuant to Chapter Four, Part A (Criminal History).
(vi) During the course of an undercover government investigation, the defendant
made statements that the defendant engaged in any of the conduct described in
subdivisions (i) through (iv).

5. (A) Sophisticated Laundering under Subsection (b)(3).—For purposes of subsection (b)(3),
"sophisticated laundering" means complex or intricate offense conduct pertaining to the
execution or concealment of the 18 U.S.C. § 1956 offense.
Sophisticated laundering typically involves the use of—
(i) fictitious entities;
(ii) shell corporations;
(iii) two or more levels (i.e., layering) of transactions, transportation, transfers, or
transmissions, involving criminally derived funds that were intended to appear
legitimate; or
(iv) offshore financial accounts.
(B) Non-Applicability of Enhancement.—If subsection (b)(3) applies, and the conduct that
forms the basis for an enhancement under the guideline applicable to the underlying
offense is the only conduct that forms the basis for application of subsection (b)(3) of
this guideline, do not apply subsection (b)(3) of this guideline.
6. Grouping of Multiple Counts.—In a case in which the defendant is convicted of a count of
laundering funds and a count for the underlying offense from which the laundered funds were
derived, the counts shall be grouped pursuant to subsection (c) of §3D1.2 (Groups of Closely-
Related Counts).

Historical Note: Effective November 1, 1987. Amended effective November 1, 1989 (see Appendix C, amendments 212-214);
November 1, 1991 (see Appendix C, amendments 378 and 422); November 1, 2001 (see Appendix C, amendment 634); November 1, 2003
(see Appendix C, amendment 655).
§2S1.2. [Deleted]
Historical Note: Section 2S1.2 (Engaging in Monetary Transactions in Property Derived from Specified Unlawful Activity), effective
November 1, 1987, amended effective November 1, 1989 (see Appendix C, amendment 215), and November 1, 1991 (see Appendix C,
amendment 422), was deleted by consolidation with §2S1.1 effective November 1, 2001 (see Appendix C, amendment 634).

 

[tokinblackguy]

Conspiracy

Conspiracy

§2X1.1 GUIDELINES MANUAL November 1, 2011

PART X - OTHER OFFENSES

1. CONSPIRACIES, ATTEMPTS, SOLICITATIONS

§2X1.1. Attempt, Solicitation, or Conspiracy (Not Covered by a Specific Offense Guideline)

(a) Base Offense Level: The base offense level from the guideline for the
substantive offense, plus any adjustments from such guideline for any intended
offense conduct that can be established with reasonable certainty.

(b) Specific Offense Characteristics

(1) If an attempt, decrease by 3 levels, unless the defendant completed all the
acts the defendant believed necessary for successful completion of the
substantive offense or the circumstances demonstrate that the defendant
was about to complete all such acts but for apprehension or interruption
by some similar event beyond the defendant’s control.

(2) If a conspiracy, decrease by 3 levels, unless the defendant or a coconspirator
completed all the acts the conspirators believed necessary on
their part for the successful completion of the substantive offense or the
circumstances demonstrate that the conspirators were about to complete
all such acts but for apprehension or interruption by some similar event
beyond their control.

(3) (A) If a solicitation, decrease by 3 levels unless the person solicited
to commit or aid the substantive offense completed all the acts
he believed necessary for successful completion of the
substantive offense or the circumstances demonstrate that the
person was about to complete all such acts but for apprehension
or interruption by some similar event beyond such person’s
control.

(B) If the statute treats solicitation of the substantive offense
identically with the substantive offense, do not apply subdivision
(A) above; i.e., the offense level for solicitation is the same as
that for the substantive offense.
(c) Cross Reference
(1) When an attempt, solicitation, or conspiracy is expressly covered by
another offense guideline section, apply that guideline section.
(d) Special Instruction
(1) Subsection (b) shall not apply to:

(A) Any of the following offenses, if such offense involved, or was
intended to promote, a federal crime of terrorism as defined in
18 U.S.C. § 2332b(g)(5):
18 U.S.C. § 81;
18 U.S.C. § 930(c);
18 U.S.C. § 1362;
18 U.S.C. § 1363;
18 U.S.C. § 1992(a)(1)-(a)(7), (a)(9), (a)(10);
18 U.S.C. § 2339A;

 

[tokinblackguy]

Sentencing Guidelines

Sentencing Guidelines

SENTENCING TABLE
(in months of imprisonment)

Criminal History Category (Criminal History Points)

Offense

Level
I
(0 or 1)
II
(2 or 3)
III
(4, 5, 6)
IV
(7, 8, 9)
V
(10, 11, 12)
VI
(13 or more)

Zone A
1 0-6 0-6 0-6 0-6 0-6 0-6
2 0-6 0-6 0-6 0-6 0-6 1-7
3 0-6 0-6 0-6 0-6 2-8 3-9
4 0-6 0-6 0-6 2-8 4-10 6-12
5 0-6 0-6 1-7 4-10 6-12 9-15
6 0-6 1-7 2-8 6-12 9-15 12-18
7 0-6 2-8 4-10 8-14 12-18 15-21
8 0-6 4-10 6-12 10-16 15-21 18-24

Zone B
9 4-10 6-12 8-14 12-18 18-24 21-27
10 6-12 8-14 10-16 15-21 21-27 24-30

Zone C
11 8-14 10-16 12-18 18-24 24-30 27-33
12 10-16 12-18 15-21 21-27 27-33 30-37

Zone D
13 12-18 15-21 18-24 24-30 30-37 33-41
14 15-21 18-24 21-27 27-33 33-41 37-46
15 18-24 21-27 24-30 30-37 37-46 41-51
16 21-27 24-30 27-33 33-41 41-51 46-57
17 24-30 27-33 30-37 37-46 46-57 51-63
18 27-33 30-37 33-41 41-51 51-63 57-71
19 30-37 33-41 37-46 46-57 57-71 63-78
20 33-41 37-46 41-51 51-63 63-78 70-87
21 37-46 41-51 46-57 57-71 70-87 77-96
22 41-51 46-57 51-63 63-78 77-96 84-105
23 46-57 51-63 57-71 70-87 84-105 92-115
24 51-63 57-71 63-78 77-96 92-115 100-125
25 57-71 63-78 70-87 84-105 100-125 110-137
26 63-78 70-87 78-97 92-115 110-137 120-150
27 70-87 78-97 87-108 100-125 120-150 130-162
28 78-97 87-108 97-121 110-137 130-162 140-175
29 87-108 97-121 108-135 121-151 140-175 151-188
30 97-121 108-135 121-151 135-168 151-188 168-210
31 108-135 121-151 135-168 151-188 168-210 188-235
32 121-151 135-168 151-188 168-210 188-235 210-262
33 135-168 151-188 168-210 188-235 210-262 235-293
34 151-188 168-210 188-235 210-262 235-293 262-327
35 168-210 188-235 210-262 235-293 262-327 292-365
36 188-235 210-262 235-293 262-327 292-365 324-405
37 210-262 235-293 262-327 292-365 324-405 360-life
38 235-293 262-327 292-365 324-405 360-life 360-life
39 262-327 292-365 324-405 360-life 360-life 360-life
40 292-365 324-405 360-life 360-life 360-life 360-life
41 324-405 360-life 360-life 360-life 360-life 360-life
42 360-life 360-life 360-life 360-life 360-life 360-life
43 life life life life life life

November 1, 2011

 

[tokinblackguy]

Statistics

Statistics

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics
Special Report

Federal Justice Statistics Program

Money Laundering Offenders, 1994-2001

July 2003, NCJ 199574


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Highlights

From 1994 to 2001 almost 18,500 defendants faced a money
laundering-related charge filed in a U.S. district court


* Between 1994 and 2001 about 18,500 defendants were
charged in U.S. district court with money laundering as any
charge. Over this same 7-year period, 10,610 were charged
with money laundering as the most serious offense filed;
9,169 money laundering defendants were convicted.

* Nearly half of all Federal money laundering matters were
referred in the six geographic areas defined as High Intensity
Financial Crimes Areas by the U.S. Departments of Treasury and
Justice.

* About 60% of laundering/racketeering (Title 18) offenses
prosecuted involved an underlying property offense (embezzlement
or fraud); about 17% involved drug trafficking; and about 7%
involved racketeering or violations of customs laws.

* About 9 in 10 defendants prosecuted for money laundering
were convicted, with 9 in 10 convictions occurring by guilty
plea. Nearly 3 out of 4 convicted defendants received a prison
term, with the average sentence of just over 4 years.

* In 2001 the 22 commercial defendants charged with money
laundering included auto dealerships, grocery stores, banks,
furniture stores, construction firms, and beauty shops.
They represented a small fraction of money laundering
defendants.

 

[Mtn Dew]

always someone got to make u wish u can reach through a pc screen. thanks for all those who are talking bout what they been threw and herd

 

[Capital G]

Just wait for the motion of discovery from his lawyer...if there's no informant or what really is important is if the informant isn't going to testify (the lawyer will know before hand), and there's only money, take the plea and relax...fed camps and low custody facilities are the best of a bad situation. His bid won't be long at all.