Got a farm in the basement

[RanchoDeluxe]

Hey El Jefe- You following this shit man??!! Just as Ido said man you can clone at anytime. It will take longer and you'll get some strange looking growth. Better to take them while in veg...alot like it's better to flip once you've seen pre-flowers.

Looks like your working with a 2x2 space?? Would have had plenty of room to sex 5 plants. The flowering process will likely take a week or so longer since you flipped before you had pre-flowers. A tactic for the future- take cuts as soon as you can from your seed plants. Clone and immediately flower them-this will allow you to determine the sex of the mother (seed) plant at which point you can discard the male seed plants.
How ya doin on your female to male ratio??

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

Are you in half gallon pots??? Did you transplant before the flip??? The simplest way of keeping plants healthy as a new grower is to transplant them into a healthy soil mix that is more than adequate for the size of the plant.

 

[El Jefe]

Well I culled three males with two female. And before I flipped the lights I transplanted into the 6" pots (1 qt?), thinking they might need room.

 

[PascalLacsap]

you can go 12/12 any time you like . even from seed

Yes, it is a proven grow method. The previous warning against it was incorrect.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

lol so much bad info in this thread. lucky for you i stopped by. my suggestion to you el jefe is to listen to idoreally try and ignore everyone else. (except supermanlives he knows what he's talking about) and MOST ESPECIALLY DISREGARD EVERYTHING rancho deluxe and, rckymnthglfe TELLS YOU.

that guy is gonna ruin your whole grow. sounds like a troll.

you can grow 12/12 from seed, there is a thread all about it thousands of pages long. for that little tiny setup ,whats that 12-18 inches of height? vegging for a month before flipping to flower you would have outgrown that little box before they even showed sex.

you should not run out and buy expensive seeds before you know what you are doing, and you def shouldn't kill plants simply because they were started from bagseeds and not amazosuperduperberryliciouskuchcookieshazediseslTHATBOMBBLAOUWDIGGITY thats all the rage in the clubs in oakland. that guy who told you you should kill off your 2 healthiest plants simply because they are bagseed. lol. those trainwrecks(?) are looking stunted and slow.

you already started organics with that fox farms soil might as well ride it out, no point in switching to chemicals halfway through. whatever you have though a couple of your plants look hungry, the ones with the yellowing leaves at the bottom i would feed them a little bit. are you staying in those pots till the end of the grow? if you plan on transplanting wait till one or two of them have shown sex, then transplant all of them together. or one at a time if you like. i like to transplant right as they show sex.

bagseeds grow just as good weed as LMNOP-Kush and some phenos of 789-Diesel are shittier than what you get from the worst mexican brick harvested a month early and kept in storage too long.

which ones are bagseed, which ones are 1-2-Buckle-my-shoe-Haze?

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

Well, lucky for you, Pilgrim, I shit better looking weed than that. You guys are funny as fuck. I have already stated that you can flip whenever you want. I also stated the reasons why it's a bad idea. Same thing with bagseed. Again, I stated the problems associated with bagseed. How about you guys stop the pissing match and help the guy out.

El Jefe- 6" pots are half gallon. How big is your grow space? It appears to be 2x2. How much height are you working with. There are several techniques you can employ if this is an issue. What are you planning on using for ferts. Have you thought of making teas for them?? I think I asked you before if you are planning on going ORGANIC. Keep up the good work.

 

[El Jefe]

The space is roughly 20"w*26"l with lights about 2ft up. I've thought about tying my taller plant down to match height with the smaller, then dropping the lights lower.

I've fed 3 times with maxibloom; twice at 1/4 strength and once at half. Should this be ph'ed before I give it to them? I've heard it's not necessary in soil and my mix has dolomite lime, but my tall plant looks like she's having PH issues. (pics will come in an hour or so)

 

[El Jefe]

Also Id really rather grow organic, I'm only using maxibloom because it was on hand from my first attempt growing. What teas do you use, Rancho?

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

Let's get a pic of the girls so we can help you out. I haven't pHed anything in years...pretty much since I went organic. Some people will tell you that it's OK to mix chem and organic growing. I'm not one of them. That will probably get me in as much trouble as the bagseed and sexual maturity 12/12 discussion earlier. Basically with chemicals you are feeding your plant chemical salts that are directly available for absorbtion by the plant. With organics we are feeding the soil-not the plant. We are trying to inundate the soil with beneficial microbial life, which take compounds that are in a form that is unavailable to the plant and turn them into a form that IS available to the plant. The problem is that chemical salts will kill and most definetly harm your microlife.
Is 2ft the maximum height you can get out of your ceiling?? That's gonna be tough...I assumed you had a two by two area but height was not an issue.

If you're up for it let's go Organic right now. Put your girls in the bathtub and run 1/2 gal plain water through each 1/2 gal pot. Wait an hour. Run 1gal water through each plant. You have now flushed most of the salts out of your pots. Time now for some tea. Get a 5gal bucket, cheap aquarium pump and airstone. You will probably only be able to brew a gal or two at a time, this depends on the air pump.

For the sake of simplicity here are two simple tea recipes.

VEG- small handfull ewc or compost and 1tsp molasses per gal

FLOWER- 1tbs fish hydroslate ie. Neptunes or Drammatic 2-4-1 or 2-5-1 must be hydroslate- can't spell it though. 1tbs kelp meal or I would go half what the Maxicrop liquid bottle says maybe 1/2tbs or 1tbs- I don't use the liquid personally. and as always a small handful of ewc or compost.

Make sure your water has bubbled for 24 hrs before you add any ingredients...although i must add that I always add some ewc or compost straight away to help kill any chlorine or chloramine off. In your situation 1tbs will work fine.

Check out the organic soil forum's stickies...JayKush, ClackamasCoot, Von, B1, Microbeman have some real knowledge for ya over there.

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

El Jefe- You starting to see any bananas yet on that Trainwreck??!! Don't freak out about it. Just the strain. If you start seeing them on that bagseed plant and it's time to get them the hell out of there.

 

[El Jefe]

Hey rancho, real good info on the organics! Got some pictures taken; I've been busy enough the past few days:

Made a very simplistic cuttings box and took 8 clones yesterday.

Repotted to 11" pots, lst'd the two remaining plants, and installed 4*42w CFL's. I also got rid of the led's as they weren't beneficial, IMO. I plan to add more cfl's later.

This photo shows a lightening of the fan leaves on my bagseed plant. (On the right, Trainwreck on left) Maybe my ph issue is actually hunger? IDK...

Bagseed flowering.

 

[El Jefe]

Also, no more bananas on either plant, here's hoping that these girls will act right!

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

El Jefe- How much height do you have to work with?

Do you have dolomite lime in your soil? If yes, then don't worry about pH.

The pic with your hand in it shows a slight N deficiency. Your clones are alot bigger than what I usually take. Not to say it won't work. If your clones are drooping it is either because your light is too close or your clones are too big or both. Before someone chimes in with a thread about Monster clones...I get it, I know it can be done. I'm trying to keep this simple for the guy.

What do you mean by no more bananas? It sounds like you have already spotted them and pulled them off?? Be real careful man with that bagseed if it does nanner. My old partner brought back some POGxBlack Snow seeds that his friend told him were good to go. I grew a few of them, took the best female and gave it to a friend who finished her in the backyard....no problems no nanners great smoke. I figured the cuts I had taken from her were good to go as well....they all hermied to high hell. They were taken to another location and produced nothing but seed. This is just one of my bagseed experiences...none of them have had happy endings. But who the hell knows maybe your the Next ChemDawg.