Gorilla Glue #4

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

i would agree that the duds have very little to do with gg4 specifically other than it was the catalyst for mass discussion. it affects a lot of strains and honestly i think its a mere coincidence that its also been seen in sour dub. its been seen in a lot of ogs sours etc. gg4 and s.d. arent special i that regard. they are just two strains that are being talked about alot and then the gg4 was just good timing (or bad depending how you look at it) for getting a lot of press. cup, plus new pest, plus forums, plus winning and duds handed out equals misplaced focus on this strain. its just one of many that does this.

 

[SirSmokalot]

]\here is a glue that isn't performing out of the blue amongst many that do perform. it is all related to the plant. this is random ive grown maybe thousands of plants overt the years and here is an example of some weird shit that popped up on two glues at one time. there are 34 other plants in the plot that are perfect. I exoected this when I put them in they were weird the entire time for no real apparent reason just is what it is.

that is six weeks in. looks like maybe 4 weeks in and with the frost of 2.5 weeks. I lean toward the drowning thing but im am not in any way certain
deez did yours resemble this appearance? these absolutely suck
I just chopped a 1k plot that was bad ass these cuts were from those plants. strange shit but I def think I can spot the difference in veg. none in my veg appear to be similar to this. and that's why they are still in veg and didn't get flipped. I was gonna toss these in the trash can but decided to see what theyd give me. not pleased obviously

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

]\. strange shit but I def think I can spot the difference in veg. obviously

do tell.id love to hear what observations youve seen in veg that help you spot it.
thanks!!.

 

[SirSmokalot]

The fan leaves appear to stay small-medium sized Theentire time . U can kinda tell In the pic but amongst the other glues u can see a major difference. By week 3 I was certain they would suck. I just wanna see what develops to be honest.
These were 2 weeks from rooted and planted in a solo cup when I flipped them. They already stood out

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

simply for good practice and on the good advice of folks on this thread, i cull anything that looks remotely out of the ordinary in regards to vigor health shape etc. i dont think ive seen it in the glue although i have experienced it really blown out bad to the pointy of really lowering yield/density. but never the little leaf long red hair never finish tiny bud lower frost thing.

does yours have the crazy hyper breaky branches?

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

ss has mentioned this recently as have others ive talked to over the years for a whole host of reasons. always take way more cuts than you need and cull the bottom 25% on principle. make enough to where you always have enough to never compromise on wether you would run a certain level of lack of vigor in your keeper cuts because youre running short. the laggers all go. and the bottom 10% of the really nice ones too just because. bad asses only. duds wont pass that test too often. i think it would be enough to keep at bay and out of your stock if combined with chitosan and/or aspirin treatments along with kontos.....if youre nasty.

i dunno
its weird but i dont think its in the gg4 more than maybe a vulnerability to what causes it. .....maybe ....lol idont fucking know. stem nematodes could fit. there are pics videos and mention by josey of a person who got a test at ucdavis maybe. i forget.
other than that no known tests which is very weird considering colorado must have plant pathologists hard at work testing cannabis plants. it would have shown up by now i would think unless its secret (yeah right).

as far as this being off topic, apparently others feel it isnt. some think its inherent. i just dont think so because most folks i know of whove dealt with this had it on ogs and sours. i think i saw it on a vortex plus some other tga gear on a c.l. vendors plants who had it too. never followed up on any of those cuts at the time. the people all got rid of them and reported some spread that eased up over time as they got rid of stuff showing it. they eventually stopped seeing it. but they also lost cuts along the way. but then theres others who have been plagued by it spreading to other strains once it entered their room.

or so they perceived it. who knows its all pretty anecdotal at this point and i dont think anyone can make any solid claim of proof of really anything.

retro is right in that without lab tests its not really even worth beating a dead horse over.

its like nailing smoke to a wall.

blue smoke.

 

[Loc Dog]

ss has mentioned this recently as have others ive talked to over the years for a whole host of reasons. always take way more cuts than you need and cull the bottom 25% on principle. make enough to where you always have enough to never compromise on wether you would run a certian level of lesser vigor cuts. the laggers all go. and the bottom 10% of the really nice ones too just because. bad asses only. duds wont pass that test too often.

That is my thoughts, exactly. There is nature and nurture. Some will not do well, should probably not be grown, and not cloned.

Relates to my new quote, from Conan the Barbarian. That which does not kill us, makes us stronger. Conan was the extreme result. That is why they gave him beautiful women to breed with.

Thank you to all that have made GG4 possible, for all, and for me.

I am indebted, and would gladly do all I can to repay.

 

[jw23ck11]

I haven't seen trolling like this since my days dealing the wsop. Yes, I really do care u got 2 outed. Tell me another!

 

[catalyte]

quite the thread in here...only getting around to it now that i'm on vacation.

getting really interested in this GG4 superplant!

thnx to the GG4 gang for the pics and info

 

[marrdogg]

You know sometimes(really a lot) I like to think outside the box. Everybody's looking for there to be something afflicting these plants. What we have to realize is that in a sense we are playing god. No living creature on this planet is designed to live forever and we are essentially doing this by repeated clones. Have you people ever thouhgt that the plant is finally mutating to better suit it's needs to better deal with it's growing conditions. The plant is alive you people dont think that after years of cloning that the plant is finally realizing it doesn't need seeds to reproduce because now it knows reproduction is in the care takers hands and now why should I spend energy on parts that will not get used. We are playing with nature and this is the consequence, every action commands a re-action and we are now seeing signs of those reactions. So my thoughts are as long as we clone we have to deal with that fact. The only thing we can do is cull the ones that are adapting to this change to try and prolong the inevitable. Things evolve thats the only way to ensure survival we are creating a new breed. So with that being said start looking at maybe what gene maybe starting to come up short versus what disease the plant has cause quite frankly I don't think there is one why cant be properly diagnosed.

Crazy I know but my thoughts anyway. PEACE!

 

[IGROWMYOWN]

he is talking shit, he has seen the sour dub dud in the same grow area he ran the first glue, he dident see the duds from sunset though, those were duds, no grower error on those cuts.

oh my bad JW how you been? you coming back out for the LA cup? The glue was everything you said she was prep underway for full season so cal in the largest pots I can get my hands on Thanks JW

 

[dansbuds]

its gotta be some type of bug or pathogen & it seems to be only in the western part of the country sorta like broad mites . cuz over here on the east coast , none of that shit is happening that i've heard of . no signs of broad mites here ... as well as duds ! this thread is the first place i've even heard of duds . mine came directly from a good known source & have never experienced anything like you guys talk about & my garden is FAR from being optimal conditions !!!! i grow in a freakin attic with wild temps changes & have never had a dud !!! plenty of heat stressed plants .... or so cold they practically halt in growth , so yeah like i said in the begining ..... bug or pathogen seems to be the cause more than grower error or room conditions .
i've also passed it onto many many great growers & they're all having fantastic harvests with it !!!! not a single dud or sick plant from anyone thats gotten it from me .

Marrdogg & JW .... i owe you both big time for letting me in on the glue craze !!!! she is the best my little garden & many other gardens around here have ever seen !!!

 

[Marlo]

Marrdogg & JW .... i owe you both big time for letting me in on the glue craze !!!! she is the best my little garden & many other gardens around here have ever seen !!!

Facts!

 

[SirSmokalot]

Lol
where u think i got my cut bro
it's not bugs.
And no straight I mention ed I Dont have brittle stems. It's just random runt

I'veflowered out dozens of runt clones that were a Iil slower growing n besides lower yield the rest was always there. This is different.
I just wanted to share a bit of what going on
time for me to drop it. Cats keep going around n around d with what n why we already k ow it's not bugs n most of us can grow just fine .
N plants don't adapt to the room by turning in into a piece of shit lol
they usually get better.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

apologies to all for yesterdays nonsense. i was a little over the line.

i started feeling like i had taken crazy pills.

no need for that level of intensity.

there are folks that have had and hold this cut not experiencing it. that tends to make me question it being the strain itself. its obviously a strain more talked about than others. it happens on alot of strains. i think socal growers are prolly laughing about this being a gg4 thing. its on a lot of cuts floating around.

i just repacked a super full room of gg4 clones.

why?

because i cant find a reason why i would grow anything else at the moment.

its the bomb and its almost gone before its trimmed. its adequately nice to grow. only draw back is the terpine volume gives me nose bleads, vertigo and nystagmus. other than that its a pleasure. my go to for dominating my canopy space.

great strain.

 

[teemu shalanie]

I have also experienced the runts that will dud, have just started to play sheriff
N kill em b4 they grow,....I could post up dried bud pics of both ]if anyone interested?,
this round of glue , wuz dope in coco, also running er in hydro atm seems to really like the h20 system.....

TS

 

[Storm Shadow]

How are you so confident its not nematodes... Have you ever scoped the base of your stems with a powerful microscope?

That plant you think is a runt ... is infected with Pectinase... Ive also grown THOUSANDS of plants out for years and never saw this until the last couple of years...

Shit I used to collect every single Clone APE would get this hands on...never had the DUD issue....but what did you say? Nematode break out in Cali have anything to do with this

http://ucanr.edu/News/News_Releases/?uid=1184&ds=191

Sudden outbreak of alfalfa stem nematode tackled by UC Cooperative Extension

2009 Cali had an all of a sudden breakout of these Evil fuckers... exactly around the same time I got cuts from P.O and brought this problem into my life...

Dude Ive done 8 different warehouse grows and too many plants to count outdoors... not a rookie by any means... and when some of you act like your such good growers...how come you have such a hard time understand the Data about the stem nematodes...this isn't your grandpas pest

Too much Bro science about Genetics and Runts... good lord...learn how Stem Nematodes function and do damage...you'll realize sooner than later what your going up against....

These guys can lay dormant for years before deciding to let you have it.... brittle stems and short internodes are just close to full blown DUD ...but those aren't the only signs...

The people on here claiming its not a pest...aren't exactly people Id consider the Best Growers of the Site... they still have to get over the ignorance of knowing PLANTS and learn some real world information

Magic Johnson has AIDS..can you tell? Same goes for all your cuts

 

[Storm Shadow]

Stem Nematode shut down the jasmonate pathway when they inject Pectinase...

That right there is the main reason DUDs wont frost up

 

[DoubleTripleOG]

its gotta be some type of bug or pathogen & it seems to be only in the western part of the country sorta like broad mites . cuz over here on the east coast , none of that shit is happening that i've heard of . no signs of broad mites here ... as well as duds ! this thread is the first place i've even heard of duds . mine came directly from a good known source & have never experienced anything like you guys talk about & my garden is FAR from being optimal conditions !!!! i grow in a freakin attic with wild temps changes & have never had a dud !!! plenty of heat stressed plants .... or so cold they practically halt in growth , so yeah like i said in the begining ..... bug or pathogen seems to be the cause more than grower error or room conditions .
i've also passed it onto many many great growers & they're all having fantastic harvests with it !!!! not a single dud or sick plant from anyone thats gotten it from me .

Marrdogg & JW .... i owe you both big time for letting me in on the glue craze !!!! she is the best my little garden & many other gardens around here have ever seen !!!

True That!!!!! I'm on the east coast and the glue is the best weed anyone that knows me has ever smoked. I'm doing my part to spread her to every grower I know that will do her right!!!! Never seen duding on her either, has to be west coast phenom.

 

[teemu shalanie]

I perxsonally will say without a doubt I don't know shiit bout nematodes,....will have to look into that, how /what u use to kil em?
TS