Gorilla Glue #4

[Tonygreen]

Its a backcross. bx1.

Male or female it matters not.
Same math as a male female back cross as well.

That is exciting, will you select a female from them gg4 x gg4 s1 to throw back onto gg4 for a second back cross?

I am patiently waiting for another gg4 bx4 line to meet GB bx4 and make a recombinant inbred line.

@Loc up your calcium in veg bro! It might not be showing you in the leaf to your eye but it is showing in your stems.
Don't cal mag either just calcium supplement...

 

[sturgeongeneral]

Loc all my gg4 runs in dro have been weak stemmed and always needing support thru the stretch. Heres the tray im about to flip this week...

 

[Tonygreen]

She is a calcium hog, the explosive growth the first several weeks of flower is demanding.
Load em up on calcium in veg fellas then ease it down when you start pushing K after the stretch.

 

[sturgeongeneral]

All my trays get calmag @ 200ml to 40gal. whether they want it or not just to be safe all through till week 8 9 .

 

[Grizz]

Has anyone had GG4 grow with very hollow stems??? I just switched back to hydro after about 2 years growing GG4 in coco, since I could not get any advice on growing in hydro.

The plants are growing insanely fast, and the stems are like straws. The only downside I have seen so far, is that the rate of success cloning goes way down. I have had 23 out of 25 with woody stems, but hollow stems is about 50%.

Was wondering if the quality of the end product is better or worse with hollow stems. I had heard ages ago, that hollow was better. Some have been saying it is a calcium deficiency, but the leaves show no signs of Calcium or other deficiency.

One other minor problem, was bending tops going into SCROG, some tops broke and died. Only 2 of the tallest tops, in a 4 X 8 tent.

been growing gg4 in coco from the beginning , once God said let there be light. No hollow stems EVER.

 

[morgandecaptain]

Never seen a hollow stem in over 2.5 years of growing GG#4.

 

[sturgeongeneral]

Tray of glue cuts i took tonight.

 

[4207365]

3 Weeks after topping and all going well.

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

…who goes to a concert and buys weed…

Me, the parking lot scene at a dead concert in the late 80s/early 90s was an open air drug bazaar, everything you could ever want was available including stuff you couldn't get anywhere else. I scored some mind-blowing bright green bud in 88 before the Ripple show, the guy said it was indica. For the next decade or so I thought indica was a strain.
Where I grew up, dead shows & Manhattan were the two places I knew I could reliably score high quality material, otherwise you were mostly smoking seedy, low quality stuff.

Here is a link to a video of me smoking indica, I'm off stage left & up about 20 rows hitting a pipe made out of parts from a lamp shop & a screen from my parent's kitchen sink.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvO800FW6Fs

 

[bucketswithsoil]

winter is coming to florida, cooler nights, finally! one day GG4me..
right now.. TG,GB.. like the first cheese seeds (BB), never got a cut of that either... but the GB is fantastic with very interesting phenos..

no gg4 yet for you me fellow FLA homie???
guess were just gonna have to fix that,then...

 

[ZIO GREEN]

I'm not sure what to call these some kind of bx ?..

I think simply S1 Bx

 

[bluntmassa]

if you ever get your hands on either real cut (GSC or GG4 ) you will realize that its not hype that selling these strains & why so many try & sell shit cuts as the real deal . its because they ARE THAT GOOD ! no hype needed !!!

The GG#4 was really good but I have had just as good it seems like you get to a level of dankness it doesn't get much better just different flavors really. I still have not had anything much better than this killer Jack Herrer years ago I don't think weed gets much better around equal but nothing that was way better. But I'm sure it took some selection if it wasn't a clone only Jack Herrer the kid was getting it through the mail from CA and it was always killer but the Jack was my favorite still not much better than the other shit he was getting though.

But maybe not all hype cause from seed it takes a bit of selection for something like that GG#4 I smoked but could have been a fake not like dispensaries don't sell fakes that one guy doing the DNA testing got all the Blue Dream from dispensaries and their was like 8 different. Really hard to know if you have the original that's for sure.

But I have also heard that the real GSC is no better than a good OG so it's definitely possible to find equal quality in seeds just a bit of selection needed. Obviously possible lol GG#4 came from a seed not mighty Thor. LMAO

 

[Tonygreen]

Heres a question, whats the minimum amount of light to keep her vegging, will 15 hours cut it?

 

[MJPassion]

My veg room is kept at 16 on Tony.
Seems t be working well so far but that's also equal to my Summer solstice daylength.

With the Glue beginning flowering mid August I'd guess you could push 14 hrs.

 

[dank.frank]

Hey Hammer - what you are encroaching is called single plant selection, typically used when working with autogamous crops. Here's a generic 10 year outline, if getting two generations a year.

P1 ---> F1 ---> BC1 ---> S1, S2, S3, S4 ---> S4 x P1 ---> BC2 ---> S1, S2, S3 ---> S3 x P1 ---> BC3 ---> S1, S2, S3, S4, S5, S6 ---> Stability?

Good luck!

This is how selfing should be done. The problem with this method and cannabis - is the poly-hybrid aspect of things and using varieties that are not classically stable.

Every time you re-insert P1 you inject all the "undesirable" traits back into the gene pool as well. Somewhat making those multiple generations of selfing, all but pointless. Yes, you reinforce the desired traits as well, but...



dank.Frank

 

[Grizz]

Didn't you get the memo? There is never just one they DNA tested like 8 different real Blue Dreams. Lmao

It's all about the hype nothing truly unique but I'm sure I probably didn't have the real GSC or GG#4 they were both pretty good the GSC has seeds though so that's a complete shit line I want no part of. Unless maybe the real one really tastes like GSC preferably thin mints. Lol

GG#4 was better but still not worth the hype could have been a fake but it was from the west coast from a dispensary. Good not elite to me but I have grown a lot of seeds out so I could just be a pot snob but then again I never been one to ride the hype trains I never bought the new iPhone shit I don't even use a cell phone I do have a very nice cordless house phone though.

But elite cuts are obviously all hype otherwise the original OG Kush would be the only OG Kush and stand out well ahead of the fakes which it does not clearly. But it is fun watching people go crazy for hermie bag seeds throw some story behind it and sell sell sell. Like the OG Kush story who goes to a concert and buys weed? I always brought my own nobody tried to buy from or sell weed to me really all the cops around that's the last place I would go to sell weed. But anything is possible I know one friend tried selling weed at a concert but didn't sell much.

GG strains is getting our strains all geno typed this week, that way there wont be others, if there is, there fake, easy peasy

 

[Hammerhead]

Hey Hammer - what you are encroaching is called single plant selection, typically used when working with autogamous crops. Here's a generic 10 year outline, if getting two generations a year.

P1 ---> F1 ---> BC1 ---> S1, S2, S3, S4 ---> S4 x P1 ---> BC2 ---> S1, S2, S3 ---> S3 x P1 ---> BC3 ---> S1, S2, S3, S4, S5, S6 ---> Stability?

Good luck!

This is how selfing should be done. The problem with this method and cannabis - is the poly-hybrid aspect of things and using varieties that are not classically stable.

Every time you re-insert P1 you inject all the "undesirable" traits back into the gene pool as well. Somewhat making those multiple generations of selfing, all but pointless. Yes, you reinforce the desired traits as well, but...



dank.Frank

Thanks for the info DF. That's good stuff right there. I could try that with the Sdubb line. S3 x P1 ---> BC3 .

Could you expand on the benefits from doing this.

 

[Avinash.miles]

just flippped my gg1 testers:

4x8 ft tent with a 400w HPS on one side and an LED unit (m16 truth lighting led) on the other side

violator go x gg1
darkhorse og x gg1

in 3 gallon pots of recycled home-made organic soil, seeds popped just about 6 weeks ago

seeds made by darkhorse genetics, with permission from gg strains

 

[dank.frank]

It's to intentionally bottleneck plants to reduce variation within each filial generation, so you have some aspect of control what you are reintroducing into the next generation. This breeds towards single phenotype stability.


****edit****

Each generation between backcrosses should be isolating something specific. Each time you self, you are removing gene traits and limiting variation, but also, "locking in" a single individual trait. The purpose of the backcrossing is to restore the variability of the original parent.

Example of something easy to grasp, using a single plant selection, to stabilize towards a single desired phenotype.

Say our goal, is to make a silly frosty OG. So we make -

F1 - OG x Deep Chunk

We want silly resin, but we want an OG type plant, so our F1 selection, is a single lanky, Piney OG pheno from 100 plants. Looks 80% OG with much more resin. Yields less. Poor calyx to leaf ratio - but the most frosty of the 100 plants that still grew like we expect an OG to grow.

We take this female to the same OG mom..

BC1 -OG x (OG x DC)

Now we seek an individual plant that again most fits our desired outcome. We sort 100 seeds - and find our OG has really gotten lost in the Bx1 but our resin is through the roof.

We select from the 100 plants, 5, that best fit our desired outcome - the most OG looking of the batch, with the most resin.

***This is where people mes up. They try and select plants that "have it all" when you should be selecting for individual traits.***

Because we are working with poly-hybrids and we want to maximize our path to stability, we want to take those 5 plants and self them, to see exactly how much diversity each of the 5 contain within themselves.

BC1 - A - 100 s1 seeds
BC1 - B - 100 s1 seeds
BC1 - C - 100 s1 seeds
BC1 -D - 100 s1 seeds
BC1 -E - 100 s1 seeds

Now, all you are looking for in these plants, is out of 100, what percentage have extreme resin output, even if this breeds you away from your OG type box.

Let's say, BC1 - D wins and had 40% plants that showed extreme resin output. (every other factor being irrelevant) You select the 5 best of that 40%, to make your S2 lines with.

BC1-D-A - 100 s2 seeds
BC1-D-B - 100 s2 seeds
BC1-D-C - 100 s2 seeds
BC1-D-D - 100 s2 seeds
BC1-D-E - 100 s2 seeds

BC1-D-A performs best with about 60% of the offspring showing extreme resin production. You select the 5 best from the 60% and self them to make your S3 lines to sort.

You do this until you hit a point of satisfaction in regards to stability for the single isolated trait.

So to follow the previous outline, assume this was achieved by S4. A plant in the S4 generation, when selfed, showed it's offspring (S5) to be 90% high resin content. Let's call this satisfactory.

***This S4 plant is your parent because it passes the desired trait forward. NOT some further random plant from the S5 line, unless of course, you want further stability, pick the best 5, sort 100 s6 each, find one to be 95%...and use the S5 as the parent instead.

The point being, don't use a plant in a backcross from an untested generation even if you believe it is a refined improvement, until you have actually tested it's selfed generation to see if it will actually perform as desired.***

BC2 - OG x S4

The reason you make this backcross is to reintroduce your P1 OG female to restore traits that were lost in the selfing process while isolating a single trait.

You sort 100 BC2 seeds and you KNOW any plant worth selecting should have the high resin content you desire, but now you want to select plants that also have high yield. So now, you select 5 plants that have the high yield, that also maintain high resin content...and you self those 5, again checking only to see which plant is going to pass BOTH traits on to the next filial generation with the greatest consistency....

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

It is very time consuming, but if done right, you can theoretically build a very good, truly stable cannabis strain.

TomHill said once you start hitting F5 and F6 though, lots of latent gene traits begin to resurface, without cause or reason. I can not personally speak to this. I can however say - if you are trying to improve your personal stock via single plant selections, this method will work.


dank.Frank

 

[acridlab]