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[dansbuds]

& 2per Thought you got 8zips per 3gal tho? That just GG?

thats when i was running 2600 watts in a 4 x 8 room ... 72 WPSF , now i'm running right around 50 i believe , i'd have to the math .

was kickin some ass up in that attic for awhile !!! but the temp changes drove me near fuckin insane


this is why i went with the 2 tents in that 11 x 11 room . if i just hung the 4k watts & ran them open . i'd only have like 23 WPSF .....

i average about .6 to .7 grams per watt , if i can closer to 1 watt per ... i'd be hella happy !

 

[dansbuds]

whats the show workaholics on ??? i gotta check this shit out lol

 

[DoubleTripleOG]

whats the show workaholics on ??? i gotta check this shit out lol

It's on Comedy Central. You can watch it on demand if you have TWC.

 

[whiteberrieS]

Nice Cant wait til I have an actual haul like that haha.

I'm @ 62.5w I guess, had just done the lux calculation @ 9400/sqft, PAR's over 1000 in the 2x2 under the reflector according to the chart. 800PAR around the edges of the tent.

WB's goin to #town finally haha

 

[whiteberrieS]

whats the show workaholics on ??? i gotta check this shit out lol

Ya gotta, ya gotta, ya gotta stay fresh

Awesome man hahaha you'll get a kick out of it at the least, it might be your favorite new show.

New season starts on the 14th, and yeah I'm Karl sotfw

 

[whiteberrieS]

Forgot we're all Karl haha..

 

[Tonygreen]

theories by green: c99

theories by green: c99

Princess was obtained from growing out seeds found in buds of Jack Herer that was purchased in Amsterdam at the "Sensi-Smile" coffee shop, an authorized outlet of Sensi Seed Bank. Thus, it is considered to be an f2 generation Jack Herer. The seeds were found only in the deepest part of the buds indicating that the father was an unusually early-maturing JH that the growers missed at first. - MrSoul
Princess is a female which resulted from a seed found in a Jack Herer bud I bought in Amsterdam near the Sensi Seed Bank at Coffeeshop Sensi Smile". The bud came in a 2 gr. cello-pack with the Sensi logo; I expected sinsemilla, but it had about 10 seeds so I assume she's an F2 JH.

Very good chance this was not an F2 but more likely a s1, had it been pollinated by an early male the bud development would not be dense and on point, pollinated plants start to throw much less pistils after pollination, more likely a later herm could have caused this seeds in the middle of the bud. Cannot assume it was an F2, being such a different plant, shorter faster flowering, leads me to think so as well, a weird pheno is more likely to come out of an s1 than a f2.


Her characteristics were so fine I wanted to create seeds that would "replicate" this plant. She has the KILLER Haze-influenced high with the most DELICIOUS pineapple/evil scent, 50 day maturation in 12/12, and incredible resin production, doesn't stretch - yet clearly Sativa-dominant! Last but not least: Never a hint of hermaphrodism after 2 years of cloning & many different styles of grow.

Here with so much time passing we can look around and see that c99 in fact does intersex at times.In fact plenty of reports of it, could lead bacck to the "hermie" start theory

I wanted to "cube" Princess but add a little beef to her branches because the buds were always too heavy at harvest and branches needed staking to keep from flopping over. I crossed my ShivaSkunk female with one of the males from the same group of seeds that Princess came from.

THIS cross produced a male which was then crossed to Princess, creating "P.50" (using a shorthand notation I developed to indicate the fraction of Princess genes in the cross).

Each generation is the result of crossing a male from the previous generation to Princess herself (incestuous, I know).
Blow-by-blow description of the generations:

P.50 = Heavy, single-cola type plants with mellow high (too much influence from the ShivaSkunk) Sweet fruity scent/flavor. Unstable in most traits - for example, 10 days difference in fastest/slowest maturation period in a group of 20 seedlings.

P.75 = Plants leaning MUCH more in the direction of Princess in floral cluster and bud structure, scent/flavor turned more "tropical" like pineapple. The stability was becoming better - two major phenotypes; short & dense (potent too) or tall/HUGE (Not so potent).

P.88 = Renamed Cinderella 88 when first released on the market. It grows fast and produces excellent yields of FROSTY buds in 7 weeks! Generally uniform seedlings with minor differences in floral formation and some height variance, but the smoke is quite consistent from all plants - Dense, heavy nuggets of fruity scented & flavored (like wild berries) and covered in resin glands, the dried buds have distinctly ORANGE pistils.

And now P.94 = Cinderella 99. This project has been a huge success. The strain has been embraced by the "net"work of growers with rave reviews.


I personally think the plants these Cinderella 99 seeds produce are every bit as good as a cutting from Princess herself (or better). I say better because the flavor of no two plants is "identical"; there's a personality to all living things. Like Princess herself, Cinderella is sweet & fruity to the palette and nose, and when you take a hit you're BLASTED...with the same "racy" high as Princess!
The improvement comes in the yield department; 25% greater yield and a stronger branch structure, which I accomplished by starting with some ShivaSkunk genes in the original father in the cubing process. I knew I'd blend out the majority of the traits from ShivaSkunk in the cubing process, but I was hoping to incorporate the ShivaSkunk's stronger branches because Princess had a tendency to need supports in the final two weeks of flowering. As it turns out, I got lucky and it worked. The name suits the strain IMO - it's a true Cinderella Story. - MrSoul

Jack Herer is an unstable strain bred from an unequal combination of Sk#1, NL#5, and Haze.

Sounds like a line that can intersex to me

Crossing a male and female Jack Herer creates an F2 generation which has a HUGE number of possible recombinations of the genes. I grew out some Jack Herer F2s and discovered a SPECIAL one, "Princess", which has many improvements on the original JH such as a shorter flowering time, denser bud structure and pineapple scent/flavour.

"might have grown some f2s"

Even though the background might be incomplete, I thought the story to be similar to GB hehehehehehehehehe, hopefully we have some good results too- TG

 

[whiteberrieS]

Sounds like a 'tard successfully made bawls again lol

Found bawls on BigBlue...could be from the transplant stress, the mold, or choking them out @ lights out with the closed up vent

oh it's a perfect storm of the 3 ya say haha

 

[Duck_Doi]

Hopefully I'm not coming out of left field but I gotta know some stuff and it seems like ya'll know your shit...

How would you find a "True Breeding Plant"?

And what does F2/F3/F4'ing a plant do?

Do you only F2 a Homozygous plant?

If you're a Breeder wouldn't you only want Homozygous plants?

 

[whiteberrieS]

Bodhi's SnowLotus male is heterozygous; lets the females shine through and adds bulk+frost..I'll let Tony cover the numbers haha I never talked to TomHill b4

 

[Tonygreen]

Hopefully I'm not coming out of left field but I gotta know some stuff and it seems like ya'll know your shit...

How would you find a "True Breeding Plant"?

And what does F2/F3/F4'ing a plant do?

Do you only F2 a Homozygous plant?

If you're a Breeder wouldn't you only want Homozygous plants?

Hey duck, in an ideal world homozygous p-1 parents would be used to make supreme f1 hybrids, however you will find a severe lack of homozygous plants to work with unless you make your own!

When you cross a plant with homozygous gene pairs they are passed in full to the progeny, that is what true breeding means, very few homozygous strains, might get some true breeding traits that appear in lines but mostly not, unless yo make em yourself.

Long story short on the filials when you f1 f2 f3 etc you are making more gene pairs double up to homozygous state every time and making them less heterozygous.

unformity is not true breeding always.
F1 from different plants will seem uniform because they are all 100% heterozyous but they will not breed true for all states if you cross them! in a perfect text book maths anyways :d

I don't know my shit as much as it may seem heh, i just read and study quite a bit, others can come in and blow me out of the water.
Actually I been waiting for someone to come in and trip me about not doin open pollinations on the BX so i could battle em.

There is not a perfect breeding strategy that covers ever goal or situation, focus on working a trait or two at a time and just try to keep the math in your favor is what i try to do mainly.

 

[Tonygreen]

Tom would maybe talk shit for me usin a tomato example but it will help you get the general idea.... lol

http://kdcomm.net/~tomato/gene/genes2.html

Tom if you ever read this, the s1 of gg4 was too variable that I would never be able to get the numbers to test to find what i needed, I figured it would be easier for me with limited numbers to make my own homozygous material and go back in the back door. We'll see how it ends up.

 

[whiteberrieS]

And now you're ready to look up Mendelian Inheritance Duck aflac

 

[whiteberrieS]

Tom would maybe talk shit for me usin a tomato example but it will help you get the general idea.... lol

http://kdcomm.net/~tomato/gene/genes2.html

Tom if you ever read this, the s1 of gg4 was too variable that I would never be able to get the numbers to test to find what i needed, I figured it would be easier for me with limited numbers to make my own homozygous material and go back in the back door. We'll see how it ends up.

beat me to it haha.

 

[Tonygreen]

With the intersex ability of gg4 i have stayed away from the blind open pollinations, by stress testing i can choose the most intersex resistant plants. From super stress I have found 3 herms and 2 were twins in 300+ beans popped of bx1, it is possible to find a intersex plant especially with stress but they have been rare so far. With an open poll i think things would be quite different.

That is another reason for so many divergent lines and testing/evals to pick the best way forward and even go back or sideways if necessary.

The smoke is certainly worth the effort. I have not seen a lackluster smoke report yet

Fire begets fire!

 

[whiteberrieS]

 

[Tonygreen]

"liquidkarma & calmag+ with my lil system I cooked up, they've been chewin on their leaves @ transplant w/ just the PBPG/PBPG'd cocoa."

what kind of cal mag ya usin WB? Nitrates no bueno in flower dude. Really fucks with flower formation.
May be the culprit? No ventilation will fuck you up too, didnt you see what i did earlier ha.

What exactly ya been givin em anyway?? lol

any of this goin on?

Changes in the photoperiod, specially interruptions of the dark period during flowering
Too much heat (>27°C aproximately), wrong environmental conditions
Mechanical stress: broken branches, damaged roots, pruning during flowering,… MY MOST NOTORIOUS STRESS TEST ROOT SHOCK
Irrigation issues (lack or excess)
Over-fertilisation
Insects, mites, diseases…
Thermal stress (irrigating plants with cold water…)
Use of phytotoxic products (pesticides, fungicides…)

 

[whiteberrieS]

Pureblendpro Grow and +size from the V+B folks, lil Bioweed during week 4...Put it all together the shit's Brawndo....it's got electrolytes

 

[Tonygreen]

lookin about there eh bro!

 

[whiteberrieS]

(think Dan doesn't understand half the shit I say because I'm referring to or quoting a movie lol...Another one for ya Dan: Idiocracy, great fuggin movie, kinda scary too)


but yeah could use a lil bit of the calmag+ for the micros, and LiquidKarma to replace the Bioweed. & Gonna see who's danker Hydroplex or +size