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Good News! Supreme Court limits warrantless vehicle searches

FreedomFGHTR

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Supreme Court limits warrantless vehicle searches
By MARK SHERMAN – 5 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that police need a warrant to search the vehicle of someone they have arrested if the person is locked up in a patrol cruiser and poses no safety threat to officers.
The court's 5-4 decision in a case from Arizona puts new limits on the ability of police to search a vehicle immediately after the arrest of a suspect, particularly when the alleged offense is nothing more serious than a traffic violation.
Justice John Paul Stevens said in the majority opinion that warrantless searches still may be conducted if a car's passenger compartment is within reach of a suspect who has been removed from the vehicle or there is reason to believe evidence will be found of the crime that led to the arrest.
"When these justifications are absent, a search of an arrestee's vehicle will be unreasonable unless police obtain a warrant," Stevens said.
Justice Samuel Alito, in dissent, complained that the decision upsets police practice that has developed since the court, 28 years ago, first authorized warrantless searches of cars immediately following an arrest.
"There are cases in which it is unclear whether an arrestee could retrieve a weapon or evidence," Alito said.
Even more confusing, he said, is asking police to determine whether the vehicle contains evidence of a crime. "What this rule permits in a variety of situations is entirely unclear," Alito said.
Stevens conceded that police academies teach the more permissive practice and that law enforcement officers have relied on it. Yet, he said, "Countless individuals guilty of nothing more serious than a traffic violation have had their constitutional right to the security of their private effects violated as a result."
Fordham University law professor Dan Capra said the ruling "will have a major impact when the driver is arrested for a traffic offense." When police have probable cause to arrest someone for drug crimes, Capra said, they ordinarily will be able to search a car in pursuit of illegal drugs and drug paraphernalia.
Prosecutors and police instructors were generally disappointed with the decision.
Tom Hammarstrom, executive director of the Arizona Peace Officer Standards and Training Board, said training for law officers would be adjusted to conform to the high court's ruling.
Devallis Rutledge, special counsel to the Los Angeles County district attorney, said he was working on formulating advice for prosecutors on how to apply the court's decision.
"It's not the kind of clear-cut guidance that police officers, lawyers and judges need. It substantially overrules a 28-year-old precedent that we've all relied on," Rutledge said.
Police officers have been "doing the safe thing" by searching vehicles after securing suspects to make sure they aren't a safety threat. "That's been the way they've been taught and the way they've been trained," Rutledge said. "Now, we will lose the evidence they obtained" in some cases.
He said the new rules might even make it harder to catch criminals, noting that evidence found during a vehicle search when someone is arrested for a relatively minor crime can lead to greater charges, such as drug offenses or even murder.
The decision backs an Arizona high court ruling in favor of Rodney Joseph Gant, who was handcuffed, seated in the back of a patrol car and under police supervision when Tucson, Ariz., police officers searched his car. They found cocaine and drug paraphernalia.
The trial court said the evidence could be used against Gant, but Arizona appeals courts overturned the convictions because the officers already had secured the scene and thus faced no threat to their safety or concern about evidence being preserved.
Gant was placed under arrest for driving on a suspended license and he already was at least 8 feet away from his car when he was arrested.
Arizona, backed by the Bush administration and 25 other states, complained that a decision in favor of Gant would impose a "dangerous and unworkable test" that would complicate the daily lives of law enforcement officers.
But civil liberties groups argued that police routinely invade suspects' privacy by conducting warrantless searches when there is no chance suspects could have access to their vehicles. The groups also suggested that police would not increase the danger to themselves by leaving suspects unrestrained and near their cars just to justify a search in the absence of a warrant.
The justices divided in an unusual fashion. Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Antonin Scalia, David Souter and Clarence Thomas joined the majority opinion. Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Stephen Breyer and Anthony Kennedy were in dissent along with Alito.
Scalia said in a separate opinion that he would allow warrantless searches only to look for "evidence of the crime for which the arrest was made, or of another crime that the officer has probable cause to believe occurred." He said he joined Stevens' opinion anyway because there otherwise would not have been a majority for that view and Alito's desire to maintain current police practice "is the greater evil."
The case is Arizona v. Gant, 07-542.
Staff writers Robert Jablon in Los Angeles and Arthur H. Rotstein in Tucson, Ariz., contributed to this report.
Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
 
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TroubleGuy

I'm thinking I'll print that decision out and leave it in my glove box just in case something does happen! It'd sure piss the cop off but if you prove to them that they have no right and they do it anyway, that might be useful in your defense. Or if you try to show them and they ignore you, same thing, use it to defend yourself. :joint:

++rep for this
 
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Blue Dot

Thanks for the post.

I love reading stuff like this.

Take the power back!
 

robbiedublu

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Justice John Paul Stevens said in the majority opinion that warrantless searches still may be conducted if a car's passenger compartment is within reach of a suspect who has been removed from the vehicle


So what part of most passenger cars does this exclude? Doesn't seem like any help in most cases to me.
 
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TroubleGuy

wait wtf...so they can take you out of your vehicle, cuff you, lean you on the passenger side and search that half of the car?

Wow, yay loopholes......
 
"Justice Samuel Alito, in dissent, complained that the decision upsets police practice"

LOL
Because what police are used to doing is more important than things like rights.
 
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nekoloving

this is really good news
the us justice system doesn't usually give privacy or human rights back without a fight; the 60's notwithstanding because our country is full of a high percentage of idiots with money and influence that cannot think long term.

personally i wouldnt say shit to the cop, let him do the illegal search and seizure b/c i KNOW i'm getting away lol - losing product is better than getting locked up AND losing product =[


"It's not the kind of clear-cut guidance that police officers, lawyers and judges need. It substantially overrules a 28-year-old precedent that we've all relied on," Rutledge said.
Police officers have been "doing the safe thing" by searching vehicles after securing suspects to make sure they aren't a safety threat. "That's been the way they've been taught and the way they've been trained," Rutledge said. "Now, we will lose the evidence they obtained" in some cases.
He said the new rules might even make it harder to catch criminals, noting that evidence found during a vehicle search when someone is arrested for a relatively minor crime can lead to greater charges, such as drug offenses or even murder
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i cant emphasize enough that this is really the heart of the issue. he's right it will be tough, and they HAVE been trained like that, it WILL take a while for them to figure it all out, and we DO need some specifics which I'm sure we will get from the next several dozen appeals based on this defense. but the point is LEO is only SUPPOSED to have the power to search or wiretap or anything beyond the usual `lets see what we have on this person` investigation. we are SUPPOSED to have fucking privacy, and quite frankly this is directly impacted by our current interpretation of the 1st amendment - the right to free speech. so this is AWESOME in that its actually going BACK towards where it should be!! big victory, even if there are a few bad branches on the tree
 

TooNormal

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Holy @#$% - Nice to see the pendulum swinging back towards some sanity.

Just keep in mind that _everyone_ in the car is still subject to a "Terry Pat" or frisk for weapons/drugs (Arizona v. Johnson - 07-1122)

In sum, as stated in Brendlin, a traffic stop of a car communicates to a reasonable passenger that he or she is not free to terminate the encounter with the police and move about at will.
...
Officer Trevizo surely was not constitution-ally required to give Johnson an opportunity to depart the scene after he exited the vehicle without first ensuring that, in so doing, she was not permitting a dangerous person to get behind her
 
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nekoloving

Holy @#$% - Nice to see the pendulum swinging back towards some sanity.

Just keep in mind that _everyone_ in the car is still subject to a "Terry Pat" or frisk for weapons/drugs (Arizona v. Johnson - 07-1122)

this is just another reason to keep stuff in the trunk. but um, perhaps try to minimize smell if possible? and definitely don't cross state lines if you can avoid it.
 

Moldy Dreads

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You beat me to the punch!! Don't allow them to search the damn car, and when they do, then fight it in court!!!
 

Moldy Dreads

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The funny part is that this came about because a guy got popped for a warrant issue, yet they found coke and a gun in the car and tried to nail him for that..
 

Moldy Dreads

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Keep it in the trunk and keep your mouth shut.....thats the way i look at it.

Obviously, but do you actually think cops usually follow rules? I had a Sheriff neighbor who used to "stop people all night long and get into their cars.." is what he would tell me his job was...
 

FreedomFGHTR

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Obviously, but do you actually think cops usually follow rules? I had a Sheriff neighbor who used to "stop people all night long and get into their cars.." is what he would tell me his job was...

Looks like he will be losing a job.

Interesting thing is that since it will be harder for cops to search people's cars the crime rate will actually show a decline.
 

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