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Typical.
dank.Frank
dank.Frank
Damn DF, I dont know what it is you have against Jaws or the others. We do not have to offer seeds to seedbay to be members here. To suggests JAWS is using the site for something shady was just wrong. You must be the only person that has an issue with a breeder starting here and moving on. What JAWS does or doesn't do is none of anyone business. You dont get to decide where he lists his seeds. What I just read from you was way out in left field. I know of no one that would require JAWS to buy advertising here from what I read from him. I have no clue what it was you where trying to accomplish with that tirade. With the laws ever changing its too much of a risk to send seeds over the pond anymore. Losing shipments of seeds happens you should know this. Getting paid doesn't go very smooth either. You are my friend I'm telling you that was uncalled for. Weather you want to take that to hart is up to you. In no way does JAWS treat others unkind. My dealings with JAWS has been nothing but positive. To suggest otherwise for no reason WTF??. I have never seen a post from JAWS about him advertising anything. Its all talk about his and others crosses. There is no reason to buy advertising for chit chat. Sorry buddy I dont agree with anything you posted here. JAWS is a good guy in my opinion.
Jaws, I hope what DF said doesn't make you decide to leave. You do have a lot of friends here. What DF said is not what the majority of the members think believe me. Your sold in my book. Any that buy your gear will lov what they find. There is Ignore for a reason. When members post crap directed at me. I recommend you use it. You dont have to leave because of 1 person flawed thought process..
Jaws, I hope what DF said doesn't make you decide to leave. You do have a lot of friends here. What DF said is not what the majority of the members think believe me. Your sold in my book. Any that buy your gear will lov what they find. There is Ignore for a reason. When members post crap directed at me. I recommend you use it. You dont have to leave because of 1 person flawed thought process..
After knowing what Tony green went through here trying to get advertisement & status ...... skip wouldn't allow him to vend here anyways because he's based in the states . they'll only deal with breeders outside the states because its illegal here to vend seeds .
this is what was told to Tony anyways .......
this is what was told to Tony anyways .......
frank, this actually made me think of where I would be w/o these forums......still buying mexican swag weed. All I have learned and all my genetics came about from being a member here.
And I am still not a supporter
That will change shortly.....going to subscribe...I get $50 worth of info a year on here for sure
i dont see him promoting his stuff but thats just me.
peace
peace
I never called names or cussed at or was abusive in any way with my post.
My thoughts on the matter are 100% valid. Find a way to contribute to this community, directly, if you intend to use it as a platform to generate income. It's really just a matter of respect in my opinion.
There is nothing that stops all these guys from sending in free gear to be auctioned off for the server fund but even that is too much to ask. There are alternatives available to those who are really here for the community rather than self promotion. (Which in and of itself is not a bad thing either - again, it's a matter of principle. You support those that supported you. You stand by those that gave you your start. It's called character.)
As I said in my post, this is not an isolated comment aimed at just him - I've said the very same thing to many breeders, many of whom I'm friends with. Those who are level headed took a step back and heard where I was coming from with my criticism.
Nothing I said was an attack on his breeding or his seeds. I never said in any of these statements to any breeders that they were bad people. My statement was far from a "tirade". At the very worst, this is just breeders behaving in an opportunistic manner. I don't really view that as a negative quality either.
I just have a serious issue with those that have used this site to build their identity and then give it the cold shoulder once they achieve a degree of success.
dank.Frank
My thoughts on the matter are 100% valid. Find a way to contribute to this community, directly, if you intend to use it as a platform to generate income. It's really just a matter of respect in my opinion.
There is nothing that stops all these guys from sending in free gear to be auctioned off for the server fund but even that is too much to ask. There are alternatives available to those who are really here for the community rather than self promotion. (Which in and of itself is not a bad thing either - again, it's a matter of principle. You support those that supported you. You stand by those that gave you your start. It's called character.)
As I said in my post, this is not an isolated comment aimed at just him - I've said the very same thing to many breeders, many of whom I'm friends with. Those who are level headed took a step back and heard where I was coming from with my criticism.
Nothing I said was an attack on his breeding or his seeds. I never said in any of these statements to any breeders that they were bad people. My statement was far from a "tirade". At the very worst, this is just breeders behaving in an opportunistic manner. I don't really view that as a negative quality either.
I just have a serious issue with those that have used this site to build their identity and then give it the cold shoulder once they achieve a degree of success.
dank.Frank
I never said you called him names. You did make it personal go read it again buddy. Most of us just dont agree with your thoughts on this. Your entitled to your opinion. Rarely are they even here so not sure what there doing that's so wrong. There are other ways to support the site. Sending in seeds is not something I will ever do again. Even if those guys dont support the site its not required to be a member in good standing. I think they are contributing to the community. I have gave my opinion and stand by it. No need for me to respond about it again. I dont think any of it was warranted.
Peace
HH
Peace
HH
Zapadra
Well-known member
I don't really have a stake in this, but for my penny, contribution is not only $. Bills need to be covered and all, no one denies this. But in my world the best I can do is send more traffic this way by sharing what this community shares with me. Who would want to visit another site if you can post here and speak directly to the breeder... The internet is less and less about content and more and more about users, more users = more money. And I'm no business major.
JAWS
Well-known member
ok so it looks like we can continue here until or unless i'm told other wise..
got some new things going and i'll drop in some pic's here-n-there as things get interesting..
one of my main things in being here is to answer Question seeing i am not active at very many sites these day's..
please do not ask where to buy JAWS GEAR i can not answer that Question...
just want to grow some plant's and talk and answer Question if i'm able..
not at all sure if it's ok for me to talk about new stuff that i'm working on that may seem like peddling...
but i think it should be ok to talk and show pic's of whats already been made and what i'm growing at this time.
peace.
got some new things going and i'll drop in some pic's here-n-there as things get interesting..
one of my main things in being here is to answer Question seeing i am not active at very many sites these day's..
please do not ask where to buy JAWS GEAR i can not answer that Question...
just want to grow some plant's and talk and answer Question if i'm able..
not at all sure if it's ok for me to talk about new stuff that i'm working on that may seem like peddling...
but i think it should be ok to talk and show pic's of whats already been made and what i'm growing at this time.
peace.
The rules on IC changed forever ago. It's perfectly within the rules for any breeder to be here and to post without contributing.
Jaws, Hammer - both you guys were here when things were much stricter. It used to be if you didn't vend at Boo/Bay then you couldn't post - not only that but your name was likely to be ****** out of any message typed.
I was 100% for the change to allow any and all breeders. I felt if ICmag was going to continue to grow and truly be the best place on the web for cannabis, then it needed to open the doors to ALL breeders. In doing so, it would bring more people to the site.
I think the best thing about ICmag, is the ability to talk 1 on 1 with a breeder about their work. I've always found that to be the coolest aspect of forums. I think that aspect of the site is paramount to the success of the site.
However, I never expected breeders would behave as they have. I never anticipated people would come and make threads that were hundreds of pages long - and never actually make any of the lines discussed or pictured available to the community. I never thought people would make use of the site and not contribute to it.
As much as the information is necessary - with the information comes the need to expand server space. That costs money. It's really simple.
If people like the site. If they enjoy the ability to interact with their favorite breeders. Then do something...anything...find a way...to ensure it's survival.
Breeders are in a unique position to do this...at a very minimal expense or cost to themselves, ultimately. At the same time, breeders are the ones with the most to gain from social media exposure - which at it's core, ICmag is a cannabis social media platform.
Posting here and gaining the ability to interact with a specific consumer base, is by default, engaging in marketing. It doesn't matter if it is intentional or not. It is unavoidable. Posting and saying don't ask me where to buy my seeds - does not mitigate that. All it does, is indirectly state, search the internet for my gear if you want it. It effectively serves the same purpose of redirecting site traffic to another platform.
If all this was about is posting and sharing - why not create a handle that is completely unrelated to your brand? Then you avoid the entire debacle. Instead, you chose to be tied and directly associated to your brand. That makes it marketing. You have not separated your personal identity from your brand - therefore, you are not posting as yourself, you are posting as your brand. As such, this account exists for the purpose of marketing.
It's just my opinion. I'm honestly shocked more people don't share it or agree. My only purpose for these posts, is to get the breeders to take a step back and re-evaluate their commitment to the cannabis community as a whole. This site is obviously important / valuable enough to leave and come back to. To cancel personal accounts and come back under branded accounts. If it is that valuable a resource, then why not contribute to it in a way that ensures it's survival???
Just milk it until it runs dry seems to be the current accepted practice though. Guess I stand alone in thinking ICmag is important and deserves to be funded.
dank.Frank
Jaws, Hammer - both you guys were here when things were much stricter. It used to be if you didn't vend at Boo/Bay then you couldn't post - not only that but your name was likely to be ****** out of any message typed.
I was 100% for the change to allow any and all breeders. I felt if ICmag was going to continue to grow and truly be the best place on the web for cannabis, then it needed to open the doors to ALL breeders. In doing so, it would bring more people to the site.
I think the best thing about ICmag, is the ability to talk 1 on 1 with a breeder about their work. I've always found that to be the coolest aspect of forums. I think that aspect of the site is paramount to the success of the site.
However, I never expected breeders would behave as they have. I never anticipated people would come and make threads that were hundreds of pages long - and never actually make any of the lines discussed or pictured available to the community. I never thought people would make use of the site and not contribute to it.
As much as the information is necessary - with the information comes the need to expand server space. That costs money. It's really simple.
If people like the site. If they enjoy the ability to interact with their favorite breeders. Then do something...anything...find a way...to ensure it's survival.
Breeders are in a unique position to do this...at a very minimal expense or cost to themselves, ultimately. At the same time, breeders are the ones with the most to gain from social media exposure - which at it's core, ICmag is a cannabis social media platform.
Posting here and gaining the ability to interact with a specific consumer base, is by default, engaging in marketing. It doesn't matter if it is intentional or not. It is unavoidable. Posting and saying don't ask me where to buy my seeds - does not mitigate that. All it does, is indirectly state, search the internet for my gear if you want it. It effectively serves the same purpose of redirecting site traffic to another platform.
If all this was about is posting and sharing - why not create a handle that is completely unrelated to your brand? Then you avoid the entire debacle. Instead, you chose to be tied and directly associated to your brand. That makes it marketing. You have not separated your personal identity from your brand - therefore, you are not posting as yourself, you are posting as your brand. As such, this account exists for the purpose of marketing.
It's just my opinion. I'm honestly shocked more people don't share it or agree. My only purpose for these posts, is to get the breeders to take a step back and re-evaluate their commitment to the cannabis community as a whole. This site is obviously important / valuable enough to leave and come back to. To cancel personal accounts and come back under branded accounts. If it is that valuable a resource, then why not contribute to it in a way that ensures it's survival???
Just milk it until it runs dry seems to be the current accepted practice though. Guess I stand alone in thinking ICmag is important and deserves to be funded.
dank.Frank
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I started here as Hammerhead. All know me by that name. No I dont ever remember having to vend at bay/boo. I nerve have vended at either. I sent the bay server fund seeds many years ago. It was never required to be a member here that I know of. I was never told it was mandatory. I wouldn't force my rhetoric onto anyone because they have not done as you have or I have. Its up to ea person to decide if they want to help. When you start forcing people it never ends well. If you start doing that your just pushing great breeders from participation. If all of that was directed at me I would have had the same reaction JAWS had. This site has tools for such things. Having jaws here is much better the not. If others dont think as you do that is in no way a reason to put them on blast. Anyway I can see this is an issue for you. it is what it is.
Peace
HH
This is so far off topic I hope the mods clean all this up.
Peace
HH
This is so far off topic I hope the mods clean all this up.
Hammer - you know I'm not an aggressive person nor am I unreasonable. You know the heart I hold for this community as a whole. I would not be growing cannabis if not for Overgrow and ICmag. I'd know absolutely nothing. I was able to teach myself this industry via the willingness of others to contribute.
I'll never forget what it felt like the first couple of times I logged onto Overgrow - and worse - how I felt when the site went down. It was, to me, tragic. In every sense of the word. It was a tragedy.
I never want to attempt to log on to IC and find it gone. I have more friends on this site than I do "in real life". I trust people here more than I do those I actually see and interact with daily.
You are right HH. I do have an issue with this. I make these statements openly instead of in PM so others can see the mentality of those they are giving their money to. So others can see clearly the core nature of a commercial enterprise. So others can be presented with a thought process that forces them to decision.
Community vs Capitalism - I think it's a valid and purposeful discussion. One that, until recent years would have been completely unnecessary to have. However, as the industry has grown and more "regular" people find themselves involved, the "hippie" mentality (for a lack of better terminology) has been lost. The care for one another aspect of things has been lost to the thumping of egos and the elevation of self over the plant itself. I think there exists a happy marriage of the two though. I only want people to embrace that middle ground rather than functioning solely as a money making enterprise.
I'm realizing more and more my way of thought belongs to the mind of a dinosaur and is becoming extinct.
dank.Frank
Yes I know you well. You are my friend. that's why I spoke up most wont. You are entitled to have those feelings. It's not something you should require anyone else to have. If others dont have the same feelings you do it doesn't make them less of a contribution to this site. I don't hold any ill feelings because of the way you feel. Neither should jaws. Instead of leaving he should just ignore those kinds of post he has the right to do that. I enjoy having the site I choose to help with a lifetime subscription. I dont hold any other member that has not done the same less of a member. It's a great discussion to have but not in his thread. I just dont think any should be put into a group because of it.
Sounds/reads like you overindulged on Acid in a past life, maybe i am wrong and its just me lol you do like to stand your ground and stick by your guns.... Hope you enjoyed the journey i like to read your posts.
The community as a whole will survive longer than you...(many moons)
I do hope you overcome your indifference, first stance....
Hopefully light at the end of the tunnel, its only a plant at the end of the day....
The community as a whole will survive longer than you...(many moons)
I do hope you overcome your indifference, first stance....
Hopefully light at the end of the tunnel, its only a plant at the end of the day....
Well said Hammer
& i agree completely . i consider all involved here friends , some better than others , only because i've known them longer . but i truely hope this is the end of it all before more is said , or things are said in anger , we really don't need that !!! opinions have been stated & points have been made ! now its time to move on & let folks deal with it as they see fit . hopefully it goes no further than civil discussion . but let it be done in PM if it does need to keep going .... Please !
peace & puffs guys huh ???
B4URTIME
Member
If you post up a bitching thread that has valuable information in it, then your a contributor to this site, Who is to say some random member who was just browsing as a guest don't sign up and register just to view your logs and maybe drop a line to say nice grow log. End up purchasing a subscription to support the site too.
The biggest contribution one can make to this website isn't supporting the server fund its supporting the content. Because its the content that will bring the readers and viewers and the money will follow them it's really that simple. No content to view no eyes viewing, no eyes no one to market to.
The biggest contribution one can make to this website isn't supporting the server fund its supporting the content. Because its the content that will bring the readers and viewers and the money will follow them it's really that simple. No content to view no eyes viewing, no eyes no one to market to.
And I agree with that notion except there is a limitation to that. In any given instance, if population grows faster than the infrastructure necessary to sustain the growth, then the civilization goes into a decline. We can not grow this site without creating a platform for gathering the resources necessary to maintain it. That is only further exacerbated by content creation that redirects the end financial expenditure towards other institutions that do not fund this sites survival.
I agree with Dan. Enough has been said about the topic. I've had my say. If it falls on deaf ears, that is fine as well. I'm not going to beat a dead horse. And sincerely, Jaws. Welcome back to IC. I'm sorry to put a damper on your thread, but I do hope you'll do some soul searching and consider answering a deeper calling to this community.
On with the thread.
dank.Frank
I agree with Dan. Enough has been said about the topic. I've had my say. If it falls on deaf ears, that is fine as well. I'm not going to beat a dead horse. And sincerely, Jaws. Welcome back to IC. I'm sorry to put a damper on your thread, but I do hope you'll do some soul searching and consider answering a deeper calling to this community.
On with the thread.
dank.Frank
pANicModE
Active member
well this thread went to shit real fast.. why not contact threw private message instead of putting someone on blast and wrecking a whole thread filled with good pictures info etc. now that the thread is wrecked and you talked all this stuff you say "on with the thread" SMH
