GMO getting head

[PaullyHighBred]

I was under the impression it was one of the least toxic pesticides, especially in regards to mammals.

And you would be CORRECT. BT is one of the oldest, most studied, CERTIFIED ORGANIC pesticides in agricultural history. If you have bought or consumed any certified organic grown food in the last 50 + yrs guess what?

http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/24d-captan/bt-ext.html

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

And you would be CORRECT. BT is one of the oldest, most studied, CERTIFIED ORGANIC pesticides in agricultural history. If you have bought or consumed any certified organic grown food in the 50 + yrs guess what?

http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/24d-captan/bt-ext.html

Another person only looking at part of the picture. Yes its organically certified to be used as a soil treatment. It is a whole other story when you are splicing DNA together of 2 completely unrelated species to create something that would never and could never be created by nature a franken plant if you will. These franken plants havent been around long enough to even be proved "safe" we are the first generation this experiment has been tried on and our population is dropping like flies from cancer and other assorted illnesses.

Also like I said, I dont believe it is the same species of BT as used in mosquito dunks. Dunks are BT(i).

 

[Mikell]

Then why don't you look it up, instead of working from what appears to be a weak memory?

Ok Mikell, prove me wrong. Otherwise you have nothing here.

Oh great man of science I will sit here in your shadow, now come up with something...hows it fell when someone demands info. You dont have it thats why you have nothing to contribute but asinine commentary.

Burden of proof. Would you like me to define any other entry level aspects of debate/arguement?

You have wasted more time here bickering than it would have taken to google the subject, for the first time I assume, and realized you're speaking out of your ass.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

You started the baseless bickering and will continue long after Im gone Im sure.

 

[PaullyHighBred]

It has nothing to do with the strain, or species of BT. They are not splicing bacteria into plants. They are modifying the plants genetic sequence in order to express a protein that the bt bacteria makes that acts as the insecticide.

 

[Mikell]

Ah nope, I simply asked for a reference you don't have.

I assume having holes poked in your rambling tirades is a sore point with you? Easy fix, state what you know, not baseless conjecture.



Thanks for chiming in Paully, I was starting to think I had woken up in some Bizarro world.

 

[Betterhaff]

So they give them one season seeds to get the farmers back on their feet, farmers get a season of growing in and they're forced to continue using Monsanto seeds?

A lot of farmers are (were) subsistence farmers and use seed (of some crops) for the next season’s crop. That’s a no no with Monsanto. They even go as far as monitoring the harvest yields or the next year’s crop to make sure that’s not happening.

 

[Mikell]

Genetically modified maize

Bt corn is a variant of maize that has been genetically altered to express one or more proteins from the Bacillus thuringiensis bacteria.[8] The protein is poisonous to certain insect pests and is widely used in organic gardening. The European corn borer causes about a billion dollars in damage to corn crops each year.[9]

In recent years, traits have been added to ward off Corn ear worms and root worms, the latter of which annually causes about a billion dollars in damages.[10][11]

The Bt protein is expressed throughout the plant. When a vulnerable insect eats the Bt-containing plant, the protein is activated in its gut, which is alkaline (the human gut is acidic[12]). In the alkaline environment the protein partially unfolds and is cut by other proteins, forming a toxin that paralyzes the insect's digestive system and forms holes in the gut wall. The insect stops eating within a few hours and eventually starves.[13]


Pulled straight from wiki. Literally took me seconds.

*.edu link

Cry toxins have specific activities against insect species of the orders Lepidoptera (moths and butterflies), Diptera (flies and mosquitoes), Coleoptera (beetles), Hymenoptera (wasps, bees, ants and sawflies) and nematodes. Thus, B. thuringiensis serves as an important reservoir of Cry toxins for production of biological insecticides and insect-resistant genetically modified crops.

When insects ingest toxin crystals, the alkaline pH of their digestive tract denatures the insoluble crystals, making them soluble and thus amenable to being cut with proteases found in the insect gut, which liberate the cry toxin from the crystal. The Cry toxin is then inserted into the insect gut cell membrane, forming a pore. The pore results in cell lysis and eventual death of the insect.

There's your work for you HITH. Clearly, your claims to be "too busy" are utter BS. You had nothing, and you didn't even know it. It doesn't matter what strain of Bt is employed, it is non toxic to the human gut.

The second link I provided includes further reading, for anyone interested.

How Does Bacillus thuringiensis Produce So Much Insecticidal Crystal Protein?

Insecticidal Crystal Proteins of Bacilllus thuringiensis

 

[desert fox]

What is going to happen when the bugs win?....oh shit

 

[SativaBreather]

Aside from Monsanto engineering plants and seeds to not be able to reproduce so you're forced to keep buying their product, what are they doing that's evil?

I know very little about GMO or Monsanto.

read Engdahl's book mate

 

[Weird]

the real issue is that they dont have the recall technology to fix problems created by their modifications

 

[Dropped Cat]

the real issue is that they dont have the recall technology to fix problems created by their modifications

Lol, just like science to create something, only to have
the corporate application machine pervert it.

And who gets the blame?

Science.

Who pays the price?

Me and you.

Maybe we should make time for the important stuff
and stop assuming there is nothing we can do.

Its the corporate machine that compels us to be passive,
to just revel in the wonders of pleasure made available
by the corporate machine.

How seductive to believe there is nothing you can do.

 

[EsterEssence]

I remember the monsanto/ dupont/ ge exhibit at disney land. Life of tomorrow or some such shit. Why can they have the power to make people vote on food labeling? Modify seeds so you have to buy from them? This is utter bullshit. Pretty soon it will be ORGANIC gmo...

 

[Skinny Leaf]

No one speaks for the bees. I want bee representation, dammit. Once all the bees die we will all be eating GMO.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Ah nope, I simply asked for a reference you don't have.

I assume having holes poked in your rambling tirades is a sore point with you? Easy fix, state what you know, not baseless conjecture.
.

Nah sorry to disappoint you Mikell, I was out enjoying life not sitting around finger fucking myself on the computer.

I see however in the time I was away you haven't come up with anything to prove me wrong either.

 

[LEF]

I hear that non-gmo foods are more easily absorbed by the body since the body better recognizes them

Would make sense
Buying organic/gmo is not that expensive over here, its expensive in most stores but there is a little store over here they have a lot of nice stuff and at good price, they wholesale

I do eat stuff from general grocery stores, fruit veggies, i do with whats available, i never took a 100 % organic route, i feel decently healthy

In europe, i hear if something is gmo it needs to be labelled as such

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Genetically modified maize

Bt corn is a variant of maize that has been genetically altered to express one or more proteins from the Bacillus thuringiensis bacteria.[8] The protein is poisonous to certain insect pests and is widely used in organic gardening. The European corn borer causes about a billion dollars in damage to corn crops each year.[9]

In recent years, traits have been added to ward off Corn ear worms and root worms, the latter of which annually causes about a billion dollars in damages.[10][11]

The Bt protein is expressed throughout the plant. When a vulnerable insect eats the Bt-containing plant, the protein is activated in its gut, which is alkaline (the human gut is acidic[12]). In the alkaline environment the protein partially unfolds and is cut by other proteins, forming a toxin that paralyzes the insect's digestive system and forms holes in the gut wall. The insect stops eating within a few hours and eventually starves.[13]


Pulled straight from wiki. Literally took me seconds.

*.edu link

Cry toxins have specific activities against insect species of the orders Lepidoptera (moths and butterflies), Diptera (flies and mosquitoes), Coleoptera (beetles), Hymenoptera (wasps, bees, ants and sawflies) and nematodes. Thus, B. thuringiensis serves as an important reservoir of Cry toxins for production of biological insecticides and insect-resistant genetically modified crops.

When insects ingest toxin crystals, the alkaline pH of their digestive tract denatures the insoluble crystals, making them soluble and thus amenable to being cut with proteases found in the insect gut, which liberate the cry toxin from the crystal. The Cry toxin is then inserted into the insect gut cell membrane, forming a pore. The pore results in cell lysis and eventual death of the insect.

There's your work for you HITH. Clearly, your claims to be "too busy" are utter BS. You had nothing, and you didn't even know it. It doesn't matter what strain of Bt is employed, it is non toxic to the human gut.

The second link I provided includes further reading, for anyone interested.

How Does Bacillus thuringiensis Produce So Much Insecticidal Crystal Protein?

Insecticidal Crystal Proteins of Bacilllus thuringiensis

So your source is a wiki page that was probably written by monsanto. You call that proof.

The top 2 sources for that page are Monsanto and Bayer chemical give me a break.

 

[Mikell]

So your source is a wiki page that was probably written by monsanto. You call that proof.

The top 2 sources for that page are Monsanto and Bayer chemical give me a break.

That's why I provided a separate link.. are you serious?

You're obviously not interested in a real arguement or debate, you don't even have an opinion you can substantiate with fact. Done with the bickering.

The thread has moved on, let's try to do likewise

 

[m314]

Genetic modification is the future. The technology in general has almost limitless implications for what we as a species can achieve. Genetic modification through artificial means other than selective breeding will allow us to do things never before possible. Growing crops designed to live in low Earth orbit or on the Mars colonies, for instance. Engineering people who don't grow old. Growing crops with higher yields and more nutritional value is a short term goal.

Monsanto's evil business practices are a different subject.

 

[m314]

I hear that non-gmo foods are more easily absorbed by the body since the body better recognizes them

That would depend on what exactly was modified. Plants can be engineered to be more bioavailable if that's the goal. Having nutrients that aren't absorbed as well would be a mistake.