GMO cannabis

[PaullyHighBred]

worse they contain bt toxin to kill bugs that feed on em, so yeah pesticide infused food, nice and totally healthy too, that shit would never cause cancer..

Lol.... if you've bought organic Tomatoes, Cabbage, Corn, potatoes ect ect in the last 50 years you've been eating crops sprayed with BT....

You do realize BT is a certified organic insecticide?

Bt proteins has been used in many organic farms for over 50 years as a microbial pest control agent (MCPA). Bt proteins are allowed in organic farming as a insecticide because Bt is a natural, non-pathogenic bacterium that is found naturally in the soil.

http://www.bt.ucsd.edu/organic_farming.html

 

[gaiusmarius]

yeah but do you really want to eat a plant that has a bt factory inside it?

 

[PaullyHighBred]

yeah but do you really want to eat a plant that has a bt factory inside it?

Its not really a "factory," ie its not the plant producing the bacteria itself, its that the plants genetic sequence is modified in order to express a protein that the bt bacteria makes that acts as the insecticide.

Its not question of "want to" its a question facing the reality of maintaining global food production. It takes 40 LBs of grain to produce 1 LB of hamburg... Are you ready to give up meat? What about everyone else in the world?

Gm crops aren't restricted to food crops either

It has been estimated that by using Bt protected cotton, the United States was able to save approximately $92 million.

What do propose wearing for clothing and how much are you willing to pay for it? As well as every other person inhabiting this planet?

http://www.bt.ucsd.edu/bt_crop.html

 

[theJointedOne]

i think most folks are anti gmo anything, including cannabis, bc of the the nature of the subject.

We are a people of the plant, so imo it's only natural many of us feel to defend it's true form, feeling that anything called 'gmo cannabis' would be blasphemy.

That being said, when we speak of gmo, many, including myself, have little to zero first hand knowledge/experience in the field of biology and chemistry ect, let alone genetic engineering in regards to the plant science science field.

This is why we probably come across as uneducated to a few people here, but hopefully they can understand where we are coming from.

Its like the big plants thread, some dudes share info, some keep it and make fun of those who dont have it.

They used to mock/torture and sometimes kill people who said the world wasn't flat. I always think about this anytime I think I 'know' something. All we really know is true is what is true in our our own world, and what we see , read, hear, and feel.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day GF

That is a PT Barnum esque spruik .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

http://bcseeds.com/genetically-modified-c-15.html

Forever Buds
This is great news for those who want to avoid harsh legal penalties for growing multiple plants, when just a single plant will produce 20 lbs each year.



what do you think of this mate? probs bs ?!

then theres this

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Arti...nding-for-Genetically-Modified-Marijuana.aspx

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

What could they possibly hope to achieve by manipulating the genes of cannabis that can't be done by traditional means?

I can think of a few applications.

They have now found the genes that code for the production of THC. They could in theory create a plant that is true breeding for more than one cannabinoid. They could fix both THC and CBD for example, something that is to my understanding impossible by traditional means.

I can do that without GMO it is just classical breeding.

Now that they know which genes code for THC they don't even have to rely on cannabis to produce it. How about a eucalyptus tree full of THC? All they need is a motive, the technology is already there.

I thought this was done years ago???
THC tomatoes and THC oranges?
Oh that is right, they were just Hoaxes....
Like Monsanto GMO Cannabis.....

-SamS

 

[harry74]

¿ What you can expect from one of the companies behind the production of Agent Orange and another defoliants used during the Vietnam War? Somenthing good ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

And of course, they have paid compensation to everyone affected, great people, working for human development.

Lovely

 

[wingdings]

Why would Monsanto come out and show everyone their gmo cannabis? I think it would kept alive in a secret facility until time for the unveiling.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Why would Monsanto come out and show everyone their gmo cannabis? I think it would kept alive in a secret facility until time for the unveiling.

Well no one has seen it that is for sure, does that mean it is alive in a secret facility???? Pretty much for sure......
-SamS

 

[SativaBreather]

Lol.... if you've bought organic Tomatoes, Cabbage, Corn, potatoes ect ect in the last 50 years you've been eating crops sprayed with BT....

You do realize BT is a certified organic insecticide?



http://www.bt.ucsd.edu/organic_farming.html

oh thats ok then, I'll go swig a few pints of it - are you broken?

 

[harry74]

¿ Why you worry about GMO cannabis, when many of you are allready somehow, altering the genetic make up of cannabis plants trough the use of a chemical( STS )????

 

[SativaBreather]

cos its different, its the very act of inserting genes where they dont belong that causes the development of tumors

its not that they are inserting cancer into the genetic makeup of the plant, its just the fuckery in the first place

seriously, if you aint read FW Engdahl's Seeds of Destruction, then you are ill informed and ill equipped to debate the subject of GMO

 

[harry74]

You are right; I have just ordered it....

I´ll be back when I understand the basics and I´m able to post somenthing that adds to the cake instead of my usual crap

I beg your pardon my fellow icmagers and oldtimers/conoisseurs alikeLOL

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

cos its different, its the very act of inserting genes where they dont belong that causes the development of tumors

its not that they are inserting cancer into the genetic makeup of the plant, its just the fuckery in the first place

seriously, if you aint read FW Engdahl's Seeds of Destruction, then you are ill informed and ill equipped to debate the subject of GMO

I have read it, what a waste of trees to make the paper for the books. Anyone that reads the book and believes it, is ill equipped to debate anything that requires understanding of a little science.
As for FW Engdahl, he is a real gem.

Engdahl stated in 2007 that he had come to believe that petroleum is not biological in origin, produced from remains of prehistoric zooplankton and algae, which had settled to a sea or lake bottom in large quantities under anoxic conditions, which is a theory supported by the majority of petroleum geologists and engineers. Instead he now believes the hypothesis that petroleum is geological in origin, produced deep underground from carbon, by conditions and forces of heat and pressure deeper down than the Earth's biosphere. Engdahl calls himself an "ex peak oil believer", stating that peak oil is actually a political phenomenon.

He has also been a long-time associate of the LaRouche movement and has written many articles for their publications.
Engdahl also argued that the problem with global warming is much exaggerated.

William is also a Research Associate of Michel Chossudovsky's Centre for Research on Globalization in Montreal, Canada. You can read about it/them here:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca

These people are fricking nuts, they only use science when it fits into their preconceived screwball ideas of the New World Order, and their political agendas.
As for no global warming, even the science hacks that first denied it was not happening have now all backtracked and said what they really meant is the global weather changes are real but only caused by fluctuations in normal weather patterns. First they deny, then they make fun of you, then they fight, then you win. As said:

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

But I do agree that more people should read all of FW Engdahl's books, that is the only way people can understand how far outside of mainstream science and political thinking this guys ideas are. I only read one, maybe I should read the other four I know about?
Read them your self and decide for your self, is this the kind of guy I would want running things? Or not? I know how I felt, after reading his book Seeds Of Distruction, I thought, there is a sucker born every minute, and this is a book for them.
Sad really,
-SamS

 

[guy fawkes]

It is BS plain and simple, both of them.
-SamS

how can you prove this article and links within are bs mate, not being funny just like to know how you came to this conclusion.
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Arti...nding-for-Genetically-Modified-Marijuana.aspx

 

[guy fawkes]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22211569

J Forensic Sci. 2012 May;57(3):718-21. doi: 10.1111/j.1556-4029.2011.02021.x. Epub 2011 Dec 28.
Investigations into the hypothesis of transgenic cannabis.
Cascini F.

all this says is that the lab had not tested any gmo cannabis in 2011,very little detail tbf mate.

edit,forget it i guess we'll find out of certain soon enough, im not wanting to fuel the drama mate.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

how can you prove this article and links within are bs mate, not being funny just like to know how you came to this conclusion.
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Arti...nding-for-Genetically-Modified-Marijuana.aspx

First of all it is by Andrew Walden this guy is not a reporter, he is a hack. I have read many of his "articles".
Second the University of Central Florida pending US Patent for a cannabis sativa genetic modification technique, is a patent not GMO Cannabis being grown anyplace.
third, Medical Genomics is not a british company, I know the owners, Americans. They do not make GMO Cannabis, they sequenced the Cannabis genome.
Fourth, the AFP, June 24, 2011 story, it was proven to be false, no GMO.
Fifth, Superintendent François Thierry quoted in An August 16, 2011 UK Guardian article titled: “New improved cannabis, now with genetic modifications”: Except he never found any that was GMO.
Then the author Andrew Walden says that polyploid plants are GMO, something no scientist would agree on. 80% of all flowering plants found in the world have some polyploid, genes in them. By his definition Hawaii can not grow, taro, potatoes, bananas, as they are all "GMO" as they are all polyploid, what a joke.
He accused Rob Clarke of writing the book on GMO Cannabis, I know RCC well, he has never worked with GMO Cannabis never.
Need more reasons? Find them your self, this is not GMO Cannabis, this is a joke....
-SamS

 

[SeedsOfFreedom]

Sorry to be slightly of topic, but since I would agree there is quite likely no genetically modified Cannabis to this point in time, I thought it would be okay.
Sam (or anyone else?) There is talk of our Chemo cutting in Canada being a polyploid. I don't really believe it, but I have much to learn yet. This cutting is from before 1993, and is still on par with any knockout Indica. I think she came from BC. What are the chances of polyploid cuttings going around? My understanding is that they would go back to being diploid after being crossed? And if you were to self a polyploid cutting, will the seeds be polyploid?

 

[guy fawkes]

First of all it is by Andrew Walden this guy is not a reporter, he is a hack. I have read many of his "articles".
Second the University of Central Florida pending US Patent for a cannabis sativa genetic modification technique, is a patent not GMO Cannabis being grown anyplace.
third, Medical Genomics is not a british company, I know the owners, Americans. They do not make GMO Cannabis, they sequenced the Cannabis genome.
Fourth, the AFP, June 24, 2011 story, it was proven to be false, no GMO.
Fifth, Superintendent François Thierry quoted in An August 16, 2011 UK Guardian article titled: “New improved cannabis, now with genetic modifications”: Except he never found any that was GMO.
Then the author Andrew Walden says that polyploid plants are GMO, something no scientist would agree on. 80% of all flowering plants found in the world have some polyploid, genes in them. By his definition Hawaii can not grow, taro, potatoes, bananas, as they are all "GMO" as they are all polyploid, what a joke.
He accused Rob Clarke of writing the book on GMO Cannabis, I know RCC well, he has never worked with GMO Cannabis never.
Need more reasons? Find them your self, this is not GMO, this is a joke....
-SamS

why didnt you put this with you first answer rather than just saying its bs and why are you being so narky about it, some serious attitude in these posts mate, im only asking a few questions.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Sorry to be slightly of topic, but since I would agree there is quite likely no genetically modified Cannabis to this point in time, I thought it would be okay.
Sam (or anyone else?) There is talk of our Chemo cutting in Canada being a polyploid. I don't really believe it, but I have much to learn yet. This cutting is from before 1993, and is still on par with any knockout Indica. I think she came from BC. What are the chances of polyploid cuttings going around? My understanding is that they would go back to being diploid after being crossed? And if you were to self a polyploid cutting, will the seeds be polyploid?

I have no idea if it is polyploid or not, a test only costs $10-$50.
Polyploids are not so stable, the only way to know is to test it. And yes a Tetraploid or Triploid can revert to Diploid. If you self a diploid it the progeny is a diploid, if you self a Tetraploid it will be a Tetraploid, if you self a Triploid it remains a triploid. If you transform a Tetraploid from a girl to a male for a pollen source, and use the pollen on a diploid female the resulting seeds will be Triploid, but not all the plants will be 100% Triploid, some plants will have mixes of polyploid and diploid, they need to be tested for confirmation.
-SamS