Getting 1 Pound per plant outdoors

[Leroy Brown]

If you are lucky you can find a spot that has the most awesome soil ever.

I got 22 ounces of top notch outdoors off this trunk, and I brought in ZERO soil. All I added was soil-moist & put down way to much plant-tone (Available anywhere, love the stuff), I nute burned the crap out of them as babies, but as soon as they recovered I kept top dressing with more plant-tone (Actually I think I used the Bio-tone during prep) throughout the year, constantly keeping them showing minor burn, then towards the end I also used some miracle grow & molasses. Genetics plays a big part as well, she had two sisters, one got eaten around the trunk by snails at the end of the year but would have put out a pound, the other one was just junk larf that was very good for hash but that's about it. They were all bagseeds, this girl was done very early, not my earliest but definitly earlier than a lot.

 

[Leroy Brown]

5. take care of all and any bug problems promptly and efficiently

I have to disagree with that, I've never done anything for bugs outdoors, even when they are getting ravaged nature seems to run it's course and take care of it every time. That pic I posted above, showed up one day and there were giant grasshoppers EVERYWHERE, 20 per plant easy & holes everywhere. Came back a week later & they were gone

Slugs & snails on the other hand, arrrgh what a nightmare, those are the only pests I take measures against.

 

[oldhaole]

Why would I want to limit myself to just one pound?

Why would I want to limit myself to just one pound?

Here we do things a bit differently. We start in pots. Seeds in by Jan 21st.The short days trigger bud development, then out of the pots and in the ground. We take the top, in May, and leave the bottom branches. They grow until Sept, then bud.
The plant shown below yielded over 5 lbs, It is a home made cross. Maui bloodweed/WWfemale crossed with a Black Thai male.

The hole was 2 ft around by a foot deep. Soil was a mix of Sunshine #3, FF OF and potash and bonemeal. We have great dirt here. Put in the deep natural soil in my gulch, The plants need to be framed out, because the stem can not support the weight. If you take the time to stage harvest, you can boost your yield by at least 10%.

 

[dasher65]

I agree with Mrblue2, If soil prep is spot on, nutes kept up, lots of sunshine & lots of water then ANY seed strain - given time- will yield 1lb p/plant easily. Given they don't flower until the days become shorter means that the earlier the babies are started the larger they will be when they start flowering...IMO

 

[Leroy Brown]

Interesting thing about staggering the harvest, my 22oz plant was taken down in square roots within a couple grams each time. 16 then 4 then 2, fucking weird as hell.

 

[try comb]

Trycomb, ive grown out around 30 packs of SS since 2000, and your post would suggest that youve never grown it in your life. Me and paradise seeds disagree with your assertion.

Tasty, if you will email paradise seeds and ask Luke, he willl tell you that SS is a medium sized plant with a moderate yeild and that its unlikely you will harvest a lb of jar ready. Its been my primary strain for years and ive discussed it with him several times. SS has won more cups and prizes than any other indica strain. It is one of the top indica's and extremely potent. Its rare for such high quaility strains to also be heavy yielding strains as Trycomb has suggested. Most top shelfers have diminished yeilds and SS is no exception.

He is just trying to get some info Trycomb, dont BS him and say things that arent true. You mislead growers by pretending to know things that you dont know or by lying about the strains youve grown. .

How many SS pheno's are there? How many pheno's are in the fem packs?
Which pheno is this Trycomb, since you know the strain so well ??? Its my favorite pheno and i can usually pick it out of a group within the first 30 days of veg. It is also the biggest producing SS pheno. This particular one produced more than any other ss Ive ever grown: it produced 14 oz and it was 1 in hundreds. I have Cd's full of SS pics. I'm digging through them now.

i dont post any pics so im a liar? lol.....

using the methods that you posted, im not surprised you never have gotten over a pound......

all phenos ive grown are more than capable of achieving multiple pounds a plant grown in the PROPER conditions......sorry you dont have or provide those conditions.

putting words in my mouth like "i know this strain so well" just shows your weakness......continue on.

anyone on this forum with true knowledge and skills at growing large plants has already concluded your posts are a joke. nice show.

conclusion: sensi star is a great strain that you can easily get over a pound of high quality from. if you live in a place with lower sun levels and dont prep properly dont expect it though.

dont get so mad when you are incorrect dsmdtoker......im not debating whether you know the plant better or have grown several more of them than me.......the way you go about it is flawed and this is why you see the results you do.....id suggest changing your ways instead of getting upset with someone who has gotten more outta a plant......

 

[try comb]

Its rare for such high quaility strains to also be heavy yielding strains as Trycomb has suggested. Most top shelfers have diminished yeilds and SS is no exception.

might as well point out more bullshit........i need not say more.

 

[THC123]

3.d.
5. Feeding: heavy chemical feeding after the plant establishes, especially from June 15, to Aug 1 to maximize preflower growth.

i especially disagree with this point


WTF has chemical nutes to do with getting mulitple pounds? i got 5 pounds using dried shit and good soil + training and topping in 65 liters

 

[hamstring]

I hope this comes across like it’s meant to as the voice of reason.

Did anyone ask how the thread starter was growing or where he was growing??

Sure maybe an lb/plant is possible in back yard growing or sunny CA no arguments there. I will believe a lb/plant of many different strains is possible and yes grown in good ole shit too.

Are you growing in a back yard or a situation where you have limitless access to your plants staking them up, topping them starting them in January (fuck I wish)???
If so then grow any strain you want and get 5 lbs I see it on hear all the time.

No on the other hand if you are starting May15th- June1st and hiking 2 hrs into the bush and putting in plants. Then you will see many experienced guerillas are throwing down some time release ferts, only spraying for mold or insects when absolutely necessary. I then side with DS genetics make the difference. I sure in the hell don’t want some spindly ass plant that can produce a lb when conditions are perfect. That’s an oxymoron perfect conditions and guerrilla growing.
That’s bad advice in that situation. Shit half the branches are laying on the ground covered in mold. Come on guy’s one growing method doesn’t hold water.

My advice is to listen to all and filter out the shit that doesn’t pertain to your type of growing including my shit.

 

[Manitoid]

Its rare for such high quaility strains to also be heavy yielding strains as Trycomb has suggested. Most top shelfers have diminished yeilds and SS is no exception.

can you explain how "top shelf" and "diminished yield" share space in the same sentence.

Have to disagree. To me it can only be rated as a "such high quality strain," if it is amazing smoke AND weighty.

I only grow top shelf and do not experience diminished yields.

It is mostly what is put into the plant. At my spot, 300 gallon holes half filled with horse shit made every plant, even the SUPER HEADY yet inferior sized ones were over a lb.

composted horse shit. big holes. compost tea. foliar feed as well with compost tea. no fail.


It was impossible for me to get under a pound even with the dispensary purchased clones (meaning unreliable source).


composted horse shit. big holes. compost tea. foliar feed as well with compost tea. no fail.

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Hamstring is right, the answer to the question depends on where and how one grows. The act of growing in the back yard where plants can be tended is very very different than guerilla growing.


While pregrowing plants is fine for the small grower, suggesting that its a practicle approach to real guerilla growing demonstrates inexperience. It reveals that the grower has no idea of the problems that can and do arise from the attempt to get a plant that is naturally designed to produce a small yeild , to produce and support a lb of smoke. The branches didnt evolve to hold that kind of wieght ; the stem cant hold the weight, they break with the first breeze, let alone a thunderstorm. The plant is constantly stressed which increase succeptabilty to disease and bugs. Experience growers abandoned such efforts soon after experiencing these adverse effects. Further, it is impossible to pregrow 60-80-100 plants and then try to transport them through perhaps miles of bush on foot to plant. These suggestion come from folks that dont know that. Pregowing can work for the small scale novice, of for a guy with 10 plants in the back yard but experienced guerillas growers know better

ANY STRAIN CAN PRODUCE A LB? I know of probably 20 strains that cant be grown at all outdoors. They've been grown and bred indoors for so long that the plants are acclimated to 12/12. and a dozen more with at least one pheno like that. Ive grown probably 15 strains that cant be grown outdoors because of branch weakness, disease and pest susseptabitly or other weaknesses that occurr with the strain. Even the breeder designates the strain as "indoor only". Ive grown a a bunch of strains such as Sensi's Early girl or HGF's Afghani or Eclipse- and a host of single cola plants that dont grow more than-3 4' tall with a few ouces of weed on them. They are small, compact plants. To suggest that you can take these strains and produce a lb of weed on them outdoors is just incorrect

Guerilla growers are out to get the most weed, for the least amount of work, cost and risk. Its risky to pregrow plants and try to move them: . Its easier and ALWAYS more productive to plant 3 plants than try to feed 1 into becoming something it isnt. Regaurding potency and yield, ive never grown 70%+ indica out that had premium potentcy and was also a huge yielder. Perhaps others have and can share the strain with us.


Finally, ive been through this before, but here goes again. The belief that a grower can produce as much weed with organics as they can with chemical fertilizer is contrary to every fact that agricultural science has discovered and provided. Crop yeilds across the world quadrupled immediately with the intoduction of of chemical fertilizers and plant borne disease was reduced by 90%. This is not my opinion, it is substantiated scientific fact that is only disputed by some cannabis growers. The world is not flat, it is round; and chemical fertilizers revolutionized plant growing because they increased plant yeilds dramatically over organic approaches.
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[THC123]

Ive grown a a bunch of strains such as Sensi's Early girl or HGF's Afghani or Eclipse- and a host of single cola plants that dont grow more than-3 4'

never heard of training?

all it takes is al elastic and a stick of wood found in the surroundings , more big equal sized buds

The belief that a grower can produce as much weed with organics as they can with chemical fertilizer is contrary to every fact

thats not the point the question was getting one pound per plant

and to get one pound you certainly dont need chemicals

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Its back to that experience thing Thc. You see, Early girl is a single stem plant that wont top. If topped, its just that tall now but it wont branch out. "flo" is another such plant with phenos that wont branch if the plant is topped. There are others. Did you read the part about problems that arise when plants that are forced to carry much more vegetation than they were designed for?

As for the organics, if one has the capacity to use them, then lb can be achieved, but for more than a few plants, or when you cant tend to the plants more than ever couple of weeks, organics cant really compete. Plus, many animals eat soil to get the nutrients that arent available from eating plants. They hunt for such soil and to put it in a planting hole is disasterous around here.

When Tasty asked the question, my answer was based on the simplest, easiest way to get 1lb of weed from 1 grow hole. Yes, there are other ways it can be achieved, but NO, there are not easier or more effective methods of getting a lb than the way i told Tasty to do it. .

 

[Aeroguerilla]

go get some big smartpots or make your own... make a nice mix... get 4 8ft stakes and wrap the plant in hortitrellis like this...

and if you want them to get real fucking big drop them in a wetland 3-6lbs all day per plant

this is that same plant a few months later...


and a few more...

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Most guerillas cant build such a contraption in the wild Aeroguerilla. LOL, you clearly dont have any bear around your neck of the woods! I do

Where are your smart pots after a thunderstorm hits them with a 60 mph wind and some hail? I cant imagine a large plant with enough weed growing on it to produce a lb not being so top heavy as to upturn any pot during that storm. Large plants planted in-ground often get blown over in the wind. I use 5' rebar stakes and sometimes they get bent.
Dont animals dig out the dirt and eat it for the nutrients?

Those plants dont/wont have a lb of weed on them.

 

[Aeroguerilla]

Most guerillas cant build such a contraption in the wild Aeroguerilla. LOL, you clearly dont have any bear around your neck of the woods! I do

Where are your smart pots after a thunderstorm hits them with a 60 mph wind and some hail? Dont animals dig out the dirt and eat it for the nutrients?

Those plants dont/wont have a lb of weed on them.

lol hey retard i had plants a 1/3 the size of the ones i posted and got a lb off of them... you have no idea what your talking about. read thru these forums and check out the cali growers pulling 10lbs per plant im up here at 44degrees north and still able to produce plants anywhere from 1lb on the hills to 3-5 in the bogs

 

[THC123]

here are others. Did you read the part about problems that arise when plants that are forced to carry much more vegetation than they were designed for?

again elastics and stick lying around in nature will help you support the branches

or when you cant tend to the plants more than ever couple of weeks, organics cant really compete.

lol i feed once per month and plantsnumbers dont matter just topdress with the right npk pellets

you make things more difficult then they are

 

[DaPurps]

Those plants dont/wont have a lb of weed on them.

Those bushes are easily big enough to pull a bow... They dwarf his K-9

 

[.clunk]

I think alot of you legal backyard growers are missing the point that hamstring and D.S. Toker and myself are trying to make here - guerilla growing is a different ball-game where you need everything (even some luck) on your side to pull successful consistent yields...growing a really hardy outdoor strain that can withstand a little abuse is imperative to success.

Any plant can produce over a lb, but some require more footwork to get there. Why make unnecessary work for yourself? Work smart, not hard is my motto in life.

I can't get out to my patch every time it rains to knock the water off, stake a plant up or apply foliar spray's at the right time..I damn well try, but between the 1hr drive, the 30 minute hike straight up a mountain, the worry of law enforcement or rippers it's hard to get everything nailed. When you stop to think on the fact that I can't have 300 gallon holes dug with a small excavator, and that I can't just call a nursery and have a few loads of dirt driven and delivered to my grow spot, that I have to wake up at 4-4:30AM every time I want to visit my patch to avoid law enforcement do some work it all becomes more clear IMO;

Do what you have to do, to get the yields you need, to get the cash in your pocket that you're looking for. Fuck weed snobbery, grower snobbery and the rest of it - growing one strain vs. another doesn't make you a better or worse grower - it just makes you good at what you do.

 

[try comb]

go get some big smartpots or make your own... make a nice mix... get 4 8ft stakes and wrap the plant in hortitrellis like this...

and if you want them to get real fucking big drop them in a wetland 3-6lbs all day per plant

this is that same plant a few months later...


and a few more...

exactly. a perfect example of how wrong dstoker often is.......just because he cant, no one can? lol......