TastyFrost
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The trick to getting 1 pound a plant is mainly site prep, what site prep do you do? and what is needed to turn plants into trees that produce 1pound+ ?
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Getting 1 Pound per plant outdoors
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Many variables for sure, soil ph, minerals, bacteria. Organic life is a huge part of giant plants in ground. The biggest plant I have ever seen was in a 7x7x5 hole with a pallet of black gold dirt, 50lbs of bone meal, 4cu ft. perlite and three bags of chicken manure. Straight water only plus two bloom treatments, one during & then one after stretch. You can basically make your own smart pot with wire/burlap, or dig a cubic meter of dirt up amend with some earthworm castings, kelp meal, perlite, manure or espoma time release ferts. Go and read Tom Hills seed forum "growing big plants outdoors" it will blow your mind. Also Outdoor plants can take more food but dont get carried away. P.s. Neptunes harvest or seaweed foliar in veg once or twice a week. Get after it, the longer you let your mix settle the more fungi, mycelium and other beneficials will have to multiply and do your work for you. Cheers NS
Last year I had a few half pound plants which I grew in 10-12 gallon holes consisting of 65% native sand, 25% peat moss and 10-15% perlite. I added around a cup and a half of dolimite lime to each hole a few weeks before planting and let it work into the soil. Each hole cost me around $4 to set up, then I planted with a small 7" tall clone around the 10th of june, which was a few weeks late for my area.
IMO, the secrets to getting big plants in the bush are many;
-proper aspect in relation to the sun (south facing will increase your yields as not only will the plants recieve more sun, but the soil will stay warmer and the roots will really flourish, cold roots stunt plants).
-know your strain - feed as heavily as the strain you are growing can handle. Some strains are heavy feeders and to maximise yields, you must know this and know exactly what their threshold for food is. IMO, watch the plant and feed it until it's "full". It takes a while to start seeing the signs of a properly fed plant without overdoing it, but when you do it's easy to maximise.
-Maintain good water throughout the season - I use an irrigation line diverted from a fast flowing stream to provide my water via drip emitters and a hose end timer, this way you can set exactly what amount of water you want to give them.
-I prefer to use chems in the bush, so as not to attract animals. Use organics if you want, I don't really give a damn what fertilizer it is as long as you know how to use it, and when to apply it.
-Use additives like "big bud" and mollasses at the beginning of the flower cycle to initial cola stacking, and at the end of the flowering cycle as a final "hoorah". Again, watch what your plants want, and feed accordingly. I use mollasses nearly right through flowering, no negative effects.
IMO, the secrets to getting big plants in the bush are many;
-proper aspect in relation to the sun (south facing will increase your yields as not only will the plants recieve more sun, but the soil will stay warmer and the roots will really flourish, cold roots stunt plants).
-know your strain - feed as heavily as the strain you are growing can handle. Some strains are heavy feeders and to maximise yields, you must know this and know exactly what their threshold for food is. IMO, watch the plant and feed it until it's "full". It takes a while to start seeing the signs of a properly fed plant without overdoing it, but when you do it's easy to maximise.
-Maintain good water throughout the season - I use an irrigation line diverted from a fast flowing stream to provide my water via drip emitters and a hose end timer, this way you can set exactly what amount of water you want to give them.
-I prefer to use chems in the bush, so as not to attract animals. Use organics if you want, I don't really give a damn what fertilizer it is as long as you know how to use it, and when to apply it.
-Use additives like "big bud" and mollasses at the beginning of the flower cycle to initial cola stacking, and at the end of the flowering cycle as a final "hoorah". Again, watch what your plants want, and feed accordingly. I use mollasses nearly right through flowering, no negative effects.
bugler
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You seen this thread? It's all in there. Although you may need to aim a little higher, after reading this thread, 1 pound plants seem really small!
the growing large plants, outdoors, thread
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=159846
the growing large plants, outdoors, thread
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=159846
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All u gotta kno is big holes make for big plants. Just dig around a 50 gallon hole fill with good soil and u'll hit a p or more easy.
Hey TastyFrost
I hope you dont object to my offering an alternative view, based on my experiences. I would contend that genetics is the first consideration. You see, my sensi stars arent goint to produce a lb no matter where they grow or who grows them. The strain just doesnt get big enough to produce that much weed. The same can be said for my Biddy Earlies. They are moderate sized plants with a moderate yield and neither strain is going to produce more than 8 ozs normally - maybe 12oz's under optimum circumstances.
1. Genetics: Strains that get big/ prefferably an outdoor strain.
2. Sunshine and water:
Sunshine: Big plants with big yields MUST have big sunshine(min 8 full hrs/ preferrably 10 direct sunshine).
Water: 1" of rain per week or without rain 1 gallon of water per day. Mucho water
3. Soil: Ph of 6.8-7 is the optimum ph for big plants. High in nitrogen
4. Hole size: 24W X 14D. "Double dig" General rule; 1.25 gallons of soil per ounce of weed desired.
5. Feeding: heavy chemical feeding after the plant establishes, especially from June 15, to Aug 1 to maximize preflower growth.
I know many will disagree, but for more than 20 years, ive dug holes in tough, rocky slopes with very little natural soil available and grown pounders with the following hole specs;
Hole size: 24" wx 14" D. This size hole holds 15-20 gallons of good soil and that will produce a lb of weed easily if the plant genetics will allow for it and it has enough sun,water and nutes. Very often, i will dig the hole, fill it up with one, 12$ bag of Miracle grow,(3 cu ft/approx.15 gallons) and many many times Ive harvested a pound of weed from that design scenario .
Dig hole
Buy dirt
Fill hole
Plant seedling of big strain in dirt
Fertilize and water
Harvest lb of weed
Ive used this planning approach for years without disapointment. My 2 cents
good luck to you Tasty
I hope you dont object to my offering an alternative view, based on my experiences. I would contend that genetics is the first consideration. You see, my sensi stars arent goint to produce a lb no matter where they grow or who grows them. The strain just doesnt get big enough to produce that much weed. The same can be said for my Biddy Earlies. They are moderate sized plants with a moderate yield and neither strain is going to produce more than 8 ozs normally - maybe 12oz's under optimum circumstances.
1. Genetics: Strains that get big/ prefferably an outdoor strain.
2. Sunshine and water:
Sunshine: Big plants with big yields MUST have big sunshine(min 8 full hrs/ preferrably 10 direct sunshine).
Water: 1" of rain per week or without rain 1 gallon of water per day. Mucho water
3. Soil: Ph of 6.8-7 is the optimum ph for big plants. High in nitrogen
4. Hole size: 24W X 14D. "Double dig" General rule; 1.25 gallons of soil per ounce of weed desired.
5. Feeding: heavy chemical feeding after the plant establishes, especially from June 15, to Aug 1 to maximize preflower growth.
I know many will disagree, but for more than 20 years, ive dug holes in tough, rocky slopes with very little natural soil available and grown pounders with the following hole specs;
Hole size: 24" wx 14" D. This size hole holds 15-20 gallons of good soil and that will produce a lb of weed easily if the plant genetics will allow for it and it has enough sun,water and nutes. Very often, i will dig the hole, fill it up with one, 12$ bag of Miracle grow,(3 cu ft/approx.15 gallons) and many many times Ive harvested a pound of weed from that design scenario .
Dig hole
Buy dirt
Fill hole
Plant seedling of big strain in dirt
Fertilize and water
Harvest lb of weed
Ive used this planning approach for years without disapointment. My 2 cents
good luck to you Tasty
try comb
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ive grown sensi star several times and got well over a pound. from michigan to california.
id suggesting looking elsewhere for information, id be happy to discuss with u in PM thread starter.....
also points 1-5, 3/4/5 are bad advice. will they work? maybe.....optimal results? far from.
I think that growing in the bush, guerilla style is different than growing in a more controlled environment like my backyard for example.
Even though some strains will still produce pounds under ideal conditions, the guerilla plot can rarely provide that environment for a sustained 4-5 month cycle. I count on success by filling my garden with easy to grow, heavy yielding strains designed for my needs and my environment.
IMO it doesn't matter what strain you're growing, as long as you have it dialled and are getting the results you're after it's all good. I sometimes fall victim to weed-snobbery but in the end, a well grown, well flushed product still outsells a poorly grown one as far as I'm concerned.
Even though some strains will still produce pounds under ideal conditions, the guerilla plot can rarely provide that environment for a sustained 4-5 month cycle. I count on success by filling my garden with easy to grow, heavy yielding strains designed for my needs and my environment.
IMO it doesn't matter what strain you're growing, as long as you have it dialled and are getting the results you're after it's all good. I sometimes fall victim to weed-snobbery but in the end, a well grown, well flushed product still outsells a poorly grown one as far as I'm concerned.
When I grow I like outdoors. I prep the soil with Kellogg's Amend then Osmocote and Super Phosphate it's real important that they are put right in the root zone. Then it's all about the LST and Super-cropping the crap out of them, I give them a weak feeding of soluble fertilizer every 3-4 waterings. I water DEEP.I end up with plants that I nick name the VW's they kinda of look like a VW Bug, I average about three and a half pounds of manicured buds a plant. I only grow Klunker Buds... What's a Klunker Bud you ask.. The sound a Big Fat Bud makes when it lands on a Triple Beam Scale...
Training a plant and spreading it to maximise light intake can easily double the yield IMO, less risk from wind, police and thieves too... Plus no main cola that will rot first or snap when it is wet and windy.
But not all strains like training....for example the semi autoflowering ones...
I got a 1pound plant in '06 guerilla outdoor. It was a really sunny spot, much soil exchange, the weather in autum was amazing and at least great luck to get this phenotype.
P.S. another fact was that the plant got pre-grow well and was put outside very early
I got a 1pound plant in '06 guerilla outdoor. It was a really sunny spot, much soil exchange, the weather in autum was amazing and at least great luck to get this phenotype.
P.S. another fact was that the plant got pre-grow well and was put outside very early
I agree with most of your points. IMO
Genetics play some role. Most plants are capable of producing 1 lb per plant. with some plants its a lot easier then others
soil PH: Green crack likes a ph around 7, my blue dream likes a ph around 6.5. 6.8-7 will probably be okay for most strains.
I aim for 1 ounce per gallon of soil. if your get less then 1 ounce per 1.25 gallons of soil your are probably doing something wrong. obviously in a guerilla situation there are a lot of different factors that can stress your plants and hurt your yield.
Trycomb, ive grown out around 30 packs of SS since 2000, and your post would suggest that youve never grown it in your life. Me and paradise seeds disagree with your assertion.
Tasty, if you will email paradise seeds and ask Luke, he willl tell you that SS is a medium sized plant with a moderate yeild and that its unlikely you will harvest a lb of jar ready. Its been my primary strain for years and ive discussed it with him several times. SS has won more cups and prizes than any other indica strain. It is one of the top indica's and extremely potent. Its rare for such high quaility strains to also be heavy yielding strains as Trycomb has suggested. Most top shelfers have diminished yeilds and SS is no exception.
He is just trying to get some info Trycomb, dont BS him and say things that arent true. You mislead growers by pretending to know things that you dont know or by lying about the strains youve grown. .
How many SS pheno's are there? How many pheno's are in the fem packs?
Which pheno is this Trycomb, since you know the strain so well ??? Its my favorite pheno and i can usually pick it out of a group within the first 30 days of veg. It is also the biggest producing SS pheno. This particular one produced more than any other ss Ive ever grown: it produced 14 oz and it was 1 in hundreds. I have Cd's full of SS pics. I'm digging through them now.
Hey Mr. Blue,
I would argue with you that any strain is limited to its genetic capacity . The genetic makeup of a pencil necked geek doesnt alllow him to become Mr. Universe and the same principal is true of cannabis. Fundamental size and yield is genetic. Yes, a grower that's familiar with a strain and has experience can maximize that capacity, but his impact wiill be limited by the genetic capacity of the strain. You can feed and water the average single cola plant until the cows come home and its not going to produce a lb.
1 gallon per oZ work well for indoor growing but ive found guerilla takes a little more. Youre right that the optimum ph can vary from strain to strain, but the closer i can get to nuetral, the faster and bigger the plants get. Im sure there are exceptions but i havent seen them.
"Most plants are capable of producing 1 lb per plant."
A reiveiw of strain characteristics provided by the seedbanks should disprove this statement. I believe the opposite is true. MOst wont produce a lb. Ive grown over 100 store bought hybrids outdoors over the years, and very few of them would produce a lb.
I also disagree that a generational hybrid or poly hybrid which has been weakend genetically from being grown and bred indoors year after year with the parents plants being taken from small speciman populations, will perform well enough or have the hardyness to grow outdoors and produce a lb of jar ready smoke. Many of them are difficult to grow indoors!!
I see grows on here all the time that show poorly, spindly looking plants that produce 2 oz's, and the gardener is now asking what he did wrong during his grow. Growers start suggesting bat guano or to dig bigger holes and the reality of it is that the grower has chosen some indoor, 3-6 way cross that hasnt felt the sunshine in generations and while selecting for potency, hardiness and vigor were lost. The grower can buy expensive soil or add every suppliment available but bugs will still devour it and the 10" of rain is going to drown it. His strain isnt stress tolerant anymore... and the great outdoors is stress city.
Plants that are vigorous and disease resistant enough to get large and yeilld a lb of weed outdoors are usuallly outdoor strains. Many of the indoor strains shrink at 100 degree temps, heavy rain, water deprivation, 50 mph winds and heavy topping from swarms of leafhoppers, borers and cutworms.
TastyFrost
Member
Hi thank all of you for your reply's, I was thinking of doing Frisian dew, Early skunk sensi and White rhino GH. I havn't got much to spend on plant food, will blood fish and bone do the job? and maby chicken shit? how long does it need to be in there before it wont burn the roots? thanks again
Im going to hold my ground on my opinion that almost any strain can produce a pound or more.
I agree that if you want to grow in a place that has a harsh climate or other stress factors you should pick a strain suited to that environment in order to get an optimal yield.
My argument is that in ideal conditions any plant is capable of yielding a pound or more.
im sure that there are a few strains out there with which it would be extremely difficult, but not impossible. in general people dont buy seeds or grow strains that dont yield, so most seed companies dont offer them for sale and instead breed them with something else to increase yield and keep the positive traits of the non yielder. It might not be economical but with enough veg time, proper training, ideal conditions, and lots of dedication. you should be able to get at least a pound per plant. seed companies always lowball realistic yield (or advertise the minimum yield) on there strains because 90% of there business is from amateurs who would be pissed because they only got a OZ from a plant that was advertised as being able to produce a pound. if you look at peoples grow reports you will see that almost every experienced grower yields more then the seed companies advertised. yes there are a lot of people who pick strains that dont suit there growing conditions but that doesn't mean the strain is not capable of producing in ideal conditions. I honestly think most plants are capable of producing 2 to 5 pounds per plant in ideal conditions. This of corse would be very hard in a guerilla situation but not imposible.
here is a rough sketch of how i've seen it done in Northern cali (in people back yards.)
1. Start you plants in January in a 20+ gallon pot and veg indoors under 1000 watt lights
2. Dont ever let the plants get root bound or stressed in any way
3. Properly harden them off when bringing them outside (in may) to avoid stunting your plants
4. transplant into 200 gallon smart pots that are full of quality soil (with shade cloth to protect the soil from heating up)
5. take care of all and any bug problems promptly and efficiently
6. Make sure your plants are in full sun
7. water and fertilize properly (sometimes as much as 20 gallons of water or more per plant per day in the summer heat)
8. top and train as much as possible
9. let your plant finish all the way (until trichs are 1/2 amber) pulling prematurely can hurt your yield significantly
This obviously demands quite a bit of time and resources and is not an option for most growers. it will however show you the potential of a strain. The point im trying to make is that all plants will always continue to get bigger and yield more as long as they are given ideal conditions to do so.
I feel that no strain has a maximum amount that it can yield. you can always veg more and add more space for roots. I bet if you took this recipe and doubled everything (veg time, pot size, ect.) you would be able to increase your yield even more, maybe even double it.
I saw a ssh plant last season that was grown this way that yielded almost 7 pounds. It had buds the size of road cones. I have heard of people growing 10+ pound plants but i have never seen one myself.
On a separate note those same kids with the monster ssh plant just bought an old hot tub and are planing on doing one of their outdoor plant next year deep water culture style in it. they said there plan is to grow a plant so big that they can build a tree house in it! LOL! I'll see if it actually happens, but if it does ill get some pictures of it.
TASTY, dont buy Sensi's Early Skunk fems. Early skunk is a good strain with a good high, but the fems from sensi are bad seeds. I bought a pack and got 4 females and 3 males. Whats worse, it was really skunk 1 and not early skunk at all. I harvested my 4 sk1 females on Nov 2 and they needed another 2 weeks. Beware!
I agree with you Mr. Blue. Under the conditions you describe, it is possible to increase the yeild of any strain, perhaps dramatically. But the methods you suggest are impracticle for anyone growing guerilla . Most of us are hoping to plant , throw a little ferts on and harvest. I look for strains that are vigorous and hardy, produce well and give me the buzz i want. There are mountains of work to be done without having to hand hold my plants, theyre on their own pretty much. Im lazy i guess. I shy away from the tender highbrows. Ive also found that a similar buzz is available from a number of strains and if a strain is weak and succeptable to bugs or disease, then find one that produces a similar buzz that is a little tougher.
I agree with you Mr. Blue. Under the conditions you describe, it is possible to increase the yeild of any strain, perhaps dramatically. But the methods you suggest are impracticle for anyone growing guerilla . Most of us are hoping to plant , throw a little ferts on and harvest. I look for strains that are vigorous and hardy, produce well and give me the buzz i want. There are mountains of work to be done without having to hand hold my plants, theyre on their own pretty much. Im lazy i guess. I shy away from the tender highbrows. Ive also found that a similar buzz is available from a number of strains and if a strain is weak and succeptable to bugs or disease, then find one that produces a similar buzz that is a little tougher.
