Genetically Modified Crops Are Safe, Report Says

[FireIn.TheSky]

You don't need any of it to survive, for thousands of years people survived without all of the shit we have today. You are a mammal all you need is a cave, a spear, fire, water and some animal skins to survive.

You have gotten used to a life filled with luxury items.

Hell even our poor people have big screen tvsand air conditioning, by today's standards our poor live like the aristocrats of 100 years ago.

 

[GoatCheese]

You don't need any of it to survive, for thousands of years people survived without all of the shit we have today. You are a mammal all you need is a cave, a spear, fire, water and some animal skins to survive.

You have gotten used to a life filled with luxury items.

Hell even our poor people have big screen tvsand air conditioning, by today's standards our poor live like the aristocrats of 100 years ago.

Your poor maybe have TV's but "my" poor live of the waste dumps. You're maybe surrounded with "luxury", but most of the people aren't. As you can see, our "we"-concept is quite different.
..you live in a la-la-land. American?


Did some mankind-hating-anarchist brainwash you, o where did you get this crap? the "we humans are a disease" is pretty much stolen from Bill Hicks and other show men you prolly heard on YouTube, but who came up with the rest of it. Cause i've pretty much heard it before, like i have most of Bill Hicks' material.




If you think corporations are poluting with the same ratio (if that makes sense) compared to a normal consumer, then you really are a stupid person.
If you don't believe this, then why write such nonsense

 

[trichrider]

gmos will straighten out the overpopulation problem.
the genetic engineering itself will become history. no worries about them continuing after the population's gone...they die also.

there are still untouched natural seed stored to recover after the 'diminishing'.
humanity will recover, but it will be costly.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=world+seed+vaults&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-002

GMOs are looking down the barrel of a gun... and we're on the wrong end...metaphorically speaking of course. don't get all bent on my speculation.

 

[FireIn.TheSky]

Goatcheese I'll reserve you a cave next to mine.

Do you think as the earth is concerned, do you think the earth is healthier now than it was 10000 years ago?

Sinice the industrial revolution the earth's health has been on a downward spiral.

Humans in general have a very narrow out look, most think only of right now and do not care one iota about tomorrow.

What is the purpose of life? If the purpose of life is to reproduce and evolve do you think that is what's happening? Most people are devolving at a rapid pace. At the rate we are going generations one or two generations out are going to have a hard time. Even kids right now are all but doomed. We have an autism rate that climbs every year what are the people in the future going to do with the damage we create today?

There is only one way to survive, you have to have children, and you have to raise them to be health, very smart and very earth concious. I believe we are currently living on the edge. This is it the make it or break it moment. The next generation has to be fully prepared to reinvent our reality. The reality we are currently living is flawed, doomed and destructive.

We should be creating methods, technology and techniques that pay homage to our humble beginnings.

 

[Mate Dave]

The more you spray the more you need GMO. They have you chem guys by the balls it's so darn funny....

 

[GoatCheese]

More evidence against Monsanto's "it's healthy" claims. The article is Huffington post's but you can find the original study paper(s) by google-searching the scientists.

Genetically Modified Soy Linked to Sterility, Infant Mortality in Hamsters
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/genetically-modified-soy_b_544575.html

 

[Dropped Cat]

More evidence against Monsanto's "it's healthy" claims. The article is Huffington post's but you can find the original study paper(s) by google-searching the scientists.

Genetically Modified Soy Linked to Sterility, Infant Mortality in Hamsters
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/genetically-modified-soy_b_544575.html

That study has never been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

His methods and numbers are laughable, here is the
critique of his work:

http://trv-science.ru/2010/06/22/gmo-i-xomyachki-kaplya-vody-na-raskalennyj-kamen/

It's in Russian, so you will probably need to have it
translated.

Here's a Reader's Digest version explaining the flaws of
the folks involved:

http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2013/11/russian-scientists-create-bad-biotech.html

 

[Shmavis]

That study has never been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

His methods and numbers are laughable, here is the
critique of his work:

http://trv-science.ru/2010/06/22/gmo-i-xomyachki-kaplya-vody-na-raskalennyj-kamen/

It's in Russian, so you will probably need to have it
translated.

Here's a Reader's Digest version explaining the flaws of
the folks involved:

http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2013/11/russian-scientists-create-bad-biotech.html

We should never be so ready to appeal to ‘peer-review’ as an indicator of soundness.

I mean to say: gibberish is published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

This isn’t isolated, new or unique:

http://phys.org/news/2014-02-science-publisher-gibberish-papers.html

Go ahead, look around. There’s plenty of examples. Across many scientific fields and sub-fields. And even in those so-called ‘soft’ sciences.

I agree, though. Peer-reviewed should be looked to first, but one must know enough of the subject to begin with, so as to recognize gibberish when it’s seen. (Just like the astute author of your Reader’s Digest version did!)

To that point, I’m afraid most don’t (recognize gibberish, that is). Just lots of speculation, conjecture and acceptance.

Ho-hum.

 

[GoatCheese]

You don't need any of it to survive, for thousands of years people survived without all of the shit we have today. You are a mammal all you need is a cave, a spear, fire, water and some animal skins to survive.

I can find you a cave to live in up here.


In the winter we will prolly get -25 degrees Celsius + winds and a meter of snow on the ground, so you definitely have to kill some game for food an wear. People spot wolves and bears around here from time to time. Bears of course are sleeping during winter, so no worries.
Are you gonna use flint-stones to kill and clean your game? Hard to find those, i'm sure, with that snow on the frozen-solid ground.


After the autumn rains and the winter snow, most wood on the ground will be wet and frozen, so you're fuct there too.
.. So most likely, you'll be dead before the next spring, while i'll be warm and cosy at home the whole winter, with the clear understanding in my mind, that it is not my fault if energy-companies are concealing free-energy technology and i have to keep warm during winter.


I'll be high and stoned too, all winter long!! .. using my vaporizer with the electricity i get from the wall, produced by corrupt greedy fucks, concealing the Free-energy techno. You prolly won't be smoking too many joints in your cave, cause you most likely won't be able to make fire.
So eat well this summer, friend, otherwise you wont make it, but it's just my opinion.





Keep sounding like angry, green-anarchist full of angst, which in reality is mostly caused by your own ignorance***, which is the result of spending hours in front of a TV or a computer screen, sucking up a synthetic view of human life, DELIVERD AND DEVELLOPPEDFOR YOU BY THE PEOPLE YOU PROTEST AGAINST, the filthy-rich. Nazi and KGB propagandists would have been proud of their work if they'd manage to manipulate a person to sound like you.
It's divide&conquer tactics and you fell for that play! ..get it? Think about your behavior for a while, and you'll get it. Do you know what divide and conquer means? Look it up from wikipedia.


(***ignorance= ignoring to take in consideration the most important facts before speking your mind)




I used to talk alot of shit too, still do, but atleast i don't sound so childish and ignorant anymore.


Let's end this bs, cave man. At least we are both anti-GMO foods, i guess. And you're not the worst guy in the world, i'm sure
Peace ..it was entertaining for a while

 

[Genghis Kush]

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[GoatCheese]

" but at least i don't sound so childish and ignorant anymore."

Should have been there when i was 15-20 yo

 

[GoatCheese]

That study has never been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

His methods and numbers are laughable, here is the
critique of his work:

http://trv-science.ru/2010/06/22/gmo-i-xomyachki-kaplya-vody-na-raskalennyj-kamen/

It's in Russian, so you will probably need to have it
translated.

Here's a Reader's Digest version explaining the flaws of
the folks involved:

http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2013/11/russian-scientists-create-bad-biotech.html

Well, the links you posted are quite rubbish and very similar to the BS they used against the Seralini et al-study. Arguments against the validity of the studies are very, very similar. These are cleary hit-pieces loaded with naive arguments by people who only try to debunk a study, without any lab-tests of their own.



This US-article is too funny, yet gives me a head ache at the same time cause i have to read through this shit, and then put it into writing, unlike you who only posted stuff someone else wrote. Thanks alot for the head ache, buddy.


Her blog uses "Sceptoid" as one source, yet they demand peer-reviewed study from the other guy. One link goes to N-Carolina Soy Bean Producers Association inc's site, maybe Soy producers have few dogs in the fight, whadda you think? What load of bull.


..they also use your Russian link as a source. BTW, in this Russian article, they only criticize the study, and basically say more studies are need to determine the safety of GMO-food. So it doesn't prove the hamster-test wasn't valid, but raises questions.



Well, i'm not gonna use the whole day to counter their every BS argument, but here are few things.


Here's your US pro-gm soy bean blog arguing:

The better study, which isn’t even a conducted study, is being accomplished in US livestock across the country. Our chickens and pigs, and our pets too, are eating GMO soybeans and not having a single problem with reproduction. After 25 years of GMOs, and certainly more than 2 generations into our GMO-fed livestock, we’re still having baby chicks and baby piglets.


Too bad I’m just a farmer’s daughter and not a super model (though some days I like to pretend I am). Maybe Fox News would consider hiring me to deliver the news. At least I wouldn’t be living in make-believe land.."
http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2013/11/russian-scientists-create-bad-biotech.html

..basically implying, that US farm animals eat nothing but GM-soy, and there is no worries, and her argument is valid without lab-tests. Amazing!


But what is ironic, is that your Russian article is actually telling that this argument isn't very valid!


The Russian article you linked states that chicken feed usually has alot of other ingredients also:

According to this description, it is difficult to repeat the experiment. For example, the composition of the standard vivarnogo feed is given in accompanying documents, but it is not clear how much of this took a standard feed. With soybean meal containing transgenes adventures begin. It turns out that it is not only meal, and animal feed for laying hens, according to dates, overdue. In addition to soybean meal contains one and both fish meal - various additives microelements, corn gluten, preservatives, enzymes, and vitamins. That is, the compositions, to put it mildly, are highly variable. How many of the soybean meal - it is not clear how it worked-too clear.

So if you personally believe both of these articles you linked are VALID ARGUMENTS against the Russian hamster-study, you kinda hold two contradicting arguments true at the same time.


1. One implies US farm animals have eaten shit loads of GM-soy for 25 years, so no worries


2. Argument that the hamster-study isn't valid cause the hamster ate NOTHING BUT GM-food.


..LOL!!! But hey, nice links! Did you even read the articles yourself?


You didn't think the US Farm Girl's article would be a bit biased, cause her family have farm products to sell?


And the Farm Girl ends her blog:

(Thanks to Steve Savage for looking into some of this info for me! Check out his blog — he’s a real scientist!)

http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2013/11/russian-scientists-create-bad-biotech.html

LOL, sure she's a source you can trust, cause scientist-Stevie looked into the topic for her!


Looked him up. Dr. Steve Savage is pro-gmo, and he isn't too worried by pesticides either, when he links to a report named "10 Thousand New Reasons Not To Worry About Pesticide Residues" and he's posting up other such links as well.


http://www.drstevesavage.com/writing



HAIR IN MOUTH


Another blog this US farm girl uses as a source argues that cause the Russian hamster study couldn't conclude GMO-food caused the hair grow into mouths of some animals, in then supposedly means the blog-writer can label the hairs- in-mouth-finding just a "chance observation". LOL, how does this person know that with no lab-studies? Even the Russian werent this bold with their claims!

"..In fact, this is just a chance observation, while the article also did not have reason to inspect such defects, it can not come to genetically modified foods led to the conclusion of this deformity."

http://rumorskiller.blog.com/2011/09/30/genetically-modified-foods-cause-infertility-hamster/

And i think the Russians said in an interview (can't be bothered to find it now, i've spent too much time with this rubbish already) that GMO may not be the original cause for the strange hairs, but gm-food may amplify this deformity.


So alot of speculative, pseudo-scientific bull, demanding peer-review opinions from the other camp.


Enough of this critique for the articles behind those links..


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Few Q's ..you don't have to reply and i hope you do not, so i don't have to spend any more time with this bull..

-How long have US farm animals eaten REALLY nothing but GM-food, as your pro-soy article imply? ..since the start 1994?

" In 1994 the first genetically modified soybean was introduced to the U.S. market, by Monsanto. In 2014, 90.7 million hectares of GM soy were planted worldwide, 82% of the total soy cultivation area."


: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_soybean

- What is the true % of GM-grain in animal feeds used in US, and how long has that GM-% in the feed been maintained constant? ..since 1994?


There is also wheat, oats, and what not in animal feeds in Europe according to this article:

Soy is extremely important as a relatively inexpensive source of protein and oil. Soy meal is the single most important animal feed in the EU, accounting for 55 percent of protein-rich animal feed.
Other important animal feeds imported into Europe include maize, rapeseed, cottonseed, wheat, rye, and oats.
http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/groc...oods/153.animal_feed_genetic_engineering.html

-How do food-animal farmers keeping up their animal-stock? Have they maintained the same genetic lineage since 1994 or do they get new genetics/breeding stock form outside source every once in a while?


..if the lineage isn't the same since the introduction of GM-soy in 1994, how valid would the claim be that "GM-foods do not harm the next generations", especially if the GM-% of the animal feed isn't 100% like in the lab-tests with hamsters and rats.


About gmo-animal tests.


One thing you have to understand, is that some rat-strains (used by Monsanto and Seralini) are cancer-prone like humans are, are pigs, cows and chicken as cancer prone as the lab-rats and humans?


Also in the animal-rat tests, usually the rats get NOTHING BUT GMO-food, while animal feed may contein other ingredients too, that may not be GM-food.


This could also means, that the non-gmo ingredients in animal-feed may down-tune the negative effects of GMO-soy/corn. Nutritious food is big part of human and animal health.


- Imo, it is also absolutely ridiculous to claim, as your US-article does, that you could normally breed hamsters to sterility after few generations. Not an expert, but i think this sounds too stupid. But it must be true cause some American cut&pasted it into her a pro gmo-soy blog-article.



Hope you don't take my ranting too personally, i'm just frustrated by people who only post arguments they found in the www without giving the articles much thought them selves. Your links, in no way, debunk the Russian hamster-tests. Sure they pose few valid questions about the study, but some of their own conclusions are much worse than the Russian-study's claims.





Peace.

 

[corky1968]

They are unleashing Chimeras on us.

Like what could go wrong with this?

American scientists create chimeras: half-human, half-animal embryos

 

[Dropped Cat]

I like the study where they added spider dna to sheep to
harvest the silk protein from the goats’ milk.

Spider goats, lol

And lets all take a look at the recent study that finds cannabis
alters a users DNA and causes cancer in your offspring.

Yet another non peer reviewed study.

gasp

 

[Genghis Kush]

“The time has come
The walrus said
To talk of many things:
Of shoes- and ships-
And sealing wax-
Of cabbages and kings-
And why the sea is boiling hot-
And whether pigs have wings.”

 

[Shmavis]

“The time has come
The walrus said
To talk of many things:
Of shoes- and ships-
And sealing wax-
Of cabbages and kings-
And why the sea is boiling hot-
And whether pigs have wings.”

Nice!

When I read this thread I can't get these lyrics out of my head:

I'm gettin' sick of this universe
Ain't gonna get better; it's gonna get worse
And the world's gonna sink with the weight of the human race

Hate and fear in every face
I'm gettin' ready and I've packed my case
If you find somewhere better, can you save my place?

 

[LostTribe]

“The time has come
The walrus said
To talk of many things:
Of shoes- and ships-
And sealing wax-
Of cabbages and kings-
And why the sea is boiling hot-
And whether pigs have wings.”

If Monsanto had their way Pigs would already have wings!

Its time for a revolution or sort of frontier justice. Back in the old days if folks had caught wind that some snake oil sellin banker types were rollin around selling their wares they would send in an army of REGULATORS to hand them over to the hang man.

Seems Americans are turning into Americant's at a quicker rate these days other wise someone would stand up and make sure this Atrocity was taken care of and the imbeciles at the top HANGED. They are out to kill americans and should be hanged for treason!

 

[corky1968]

Neil Young came face-to-face with his arch nemesis – a living, breathing ear
of GMO corn – on Thursday's Late Show With Stephen Colbert, with the rocker
engaging in a conversation about why he's so against agrochemical company Monsanto.

Watch Neil Young Face Off Against GMO Corn on 'Colbert'

 

[Highlighter]

What's wrong with flying pigs?

 

[corky1968]

I wonder how this plant fits in with GMO? I saw it before on the Internet and it does look cool.
But I know nobody who has grown it. I suspect the price is the biggest deterrent to trying these.

TomTato plant grows both tomatoes and potatoes