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Gender dysphoria and the trans movement.

nepalnt21

FRRRRRResh!
Veteran
What rates ? I already asked you to show us this data that shows correlation but we both know you can’t. That’s why you don’t.

Why are we bringing up surgery for minors ? You just brought up life saving surgery. We’ve been talking about this topic as it relates to minors for how long now ? 3 months ? It’s baffling to me that you’re this dense
there you go lying again, there's a reason i don't even check alerts with your name on them all the time. it's frustrating cause i want to think you're here in good faith (i want to think that about anyone), but you constantly lie.

it's not my fault you ignore the studies etc. i've posted, but sure if it makes you feel better to talk shit instead of learn shit...

but just in case:

suicidal tendencies/ ideation/ attempts is pretty well known, although afaik the exact numbers are kinda elusive so far (it's still not as well studied as it should be)...

even crowder and POSs like him use these kinda numbers to spread their anti- trans hate.


it only includes the abstract, and the sample size is not impressive, but here's a decent breakdown:


even the lgbtq community is aware of the prevalence:


BUT

i know you were probably referring to whether the rate improves after transition treatments/ affirmation surgery... and i am sure you know that there isn't a ton of good data on the matter.

but there is data.

and it generally points to better outcomes.


"... A narrative review was undertaken evaluating suicide-related outcomes following gender-affirming surgery, hormones, and/or puberty blockers. Of the 23 studies that met the inclusion criteria, the majority indicated a reduction in suicidality following gender-affirming treatment; however, the literature to date suffers from a lack of methodological rigor that increases the risk of type I error. There is a need for continued research in suicidality outcomes following gender-affirming treatment that adequately controls for the presence of psychiatric comorbidity and treatment, substance use, and other suicide risk-enhancing and reducing factors. There is also a need for future systematic reviews given the inherent limitations of a narrative review. There may be implications on the informed consent process of gender-affirming treatment given the current lack of methodological robustness of the literature reviewed."
(i highlighted that last part cause i know you like to point it out as though the medical professionals aren't already aware of the nuances)...

obviously this next one also shows we need more data points. but again, the trend generally seems to follow that suicidality seems to improve with gender affirmation surgery.


Conclusions:

Suicidal ideation was generally found to decrease post-GAS; results regarding suicide attempts were inconsistent, and there was insufficient data to draw any conclusion about the effects of GAS on death by suicide.

 

nepalnt21

FRRRRRResh!
Veteran
parents rights for genital mutilation
you keep saying this as though it's some gotcha... but you have yet to demonstrate that it's even a thing.

i know of exactly once case (and ppls medical info doesn't tend to be public) where a trans kid that was like 17 and 7/8ths or some shit years old got surgery after years and years of other therapies... and i remember stories of 16 year olds getting boob jobs to fit in, in their preparatory school in malibu california or whatever... but afaik, it ain't like you're tryna make it seem where the george- soros- bankrolled, boogeyman doctors are coercing small children into having their genitals removed.

no man, that's the hospital staff trying to mutilate baby penis
 

eastcoastjoe

Well-known member
Veteran
there you go lying again, there's a reason i don't even check alerts with your name on them all the time. it's frustrating cause i want to think you're here in good faith (i want to think that about anyone), but you constantly lie.

it's not my fault you ignore the studies etc. i've posted, but sure if it makes you feel better to talk shit instead of learn shit...

but just in case:

suicidal tendencies/ ideation/ attempts is pretty well known, although afaik the exact numbers are kinda elusive so far (it's still not as well studied as it should be)...

even crowder and POSs like him use these kinda numbers to spread their anti- trans hate.


it only includes the abstract, and the sample size is not impressive, but here's a decent breakdown:


even the lgbtq community is aware of the prevalence:


BUT

i know you were probably referring to whether the rate improves after transition treatments/ affirmation surgery... and i am sure you know that there isn't a ton of good data on the matter.

but there is data.

and it generally points to better outcomes.



(i highlighted that last part cause i know you like to point it out as though the medical professionals aren't already aware of the nuances)...

obviously this next one also shows we need more data points. but again, the trend generally seems to follow that suicidality seems to improve with gender affirmation surgery.




Why are you posting new links ? What happened to Cornell ?
 

Captain Red Eye

Well-known member
It’s your argument, why are you asking me ?
All I know is consent is the only argument you can try to make. But even that is a hollow argument.
Just say you support parents rights for genital mutilation and move on. Why keep repeating the same shit ?
Why'd I ask you?
Circumcision is related, since it's a reply to your stating removal of genitalia is something you oppose etc.
Circumcision involves removing parts of genitalia, it's legit to ask about it in the context of the discussion.

Consent
Consent is very relevant. You're only now giving it lesser status, because I made a point most people don't consider when they want to hand more power to government. Why would anyone do that since they are the worst violator of consent the world has ever known. That's actually verifiable if you consider genocide, democide and world police totals. I'll spare you the numbers. Consent is a very legit concern in this discussion.

Also, there is the issue of what is the extent parents can or should offer their consent to do X with their kids. You have deep concerns there and raise good points. It's an area we are close to agreement on too.

What I support
I support the prima facie right of parents having the default say over their children who are unable to consent, i.e. the kid doesn't have the wherewithal to consent. (too young to comprehend, mentally incompotent etc) I think parent's rights trump anyone else rights, until otherwise proven harmful, hence the "prima facie right".

I don't support genital mutilation, or even genital altering, circumcision, it's not something I'd do. By my saying I don't support it, that doesn't mean I think government should intervene or I should intervene especially without having further details and context. I know government has the power to and they will, but since I don't think it wise to delegate anything concerning consent to an entity (government) which is at it's core, a violator of consent, they are not on my list who's next in line if parents are failing.

Also, I'm not really an alien. I'm a Lizard person.
 

eastcoastjoe

Well-known member
Veteran
Why'd I ask you?
Circumcision is related, since it's a reply to your stating removal of genitalia is something you oppose etc.
Circumcision involves removing parts of genitalia, it's legit to ask about it in the context of the discussion.

Consent
Consent is very relevant. You're only now giving it lesser status, because I made a point most people don't consider when they want to hand more power to government. Why would anyone do that since they are the worst violator of consent the world has ever known. That's actually verifiable if you consider genocide, democide and world police totals. I'll spare you the numbers. Consent is a very legit concern in this discussion.

Also, there is the issue of what is the extent parents can or should offer their consent to do X with their kids. You have deep concerns there and raise good points. It's an area we are close to agreement on too.

What I support
I support the prima facie right of parents having the default say over their children who are unable to consent, i.e. the kid doesn't have the wherewithal to consent. (too young to comprehend, mentally incompotent etc) I think parent's rights trump anyone else rights, until otherwise proven harmful, hence the "prima facie right".

I don't support genital mutilation, or even genital altering, circumcision, it's not something I'd do. By my saying I don't support it, that doesn't mean I think government should intervene or I should intervene especially without having further details and context. I know government has the power to and they will, but since I don't think it wise to delegate anything concerning consent to an entity (government) which is at it's core, a violator of consent, they are not on my list who's next in line if parents are failing.

Also, I'm not really an alien. I'm a Lizard person.

Right on !!!
 

nepalnt21

FRRRRRResh!
Veteran
Hormone blockers and reassignment surgery for minors. If you want to act like you know something about me, at least get it right
but if we accept that g.a. surgery isn't really a thing for minors, and i think most ppl here probably agree that it should wait until adulthood, why are we spending so much time on it?
 

Hiddenjems

Well-known member
Children should not be allowed to take part in transhuman body modifications. If your mind is telling you a perfectly good body needs changed out, you have to wait for age of consent to start the process. Or they have full control of their bodies and the child adult line is a made up thing.
 

pop_rocks

In my empire of dirt
Premium user
420club
Children should not be allowed to take part in transhuman body modifications. If your mind is telling you a perfectly good body needs changed out, you have to wait for age of consent to start the process. Or they have full control of their bodies and the child adult line is a made up thing.
nor should the parents according to some
 
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