gathering supplies northern ny gorrila

[Buddah Watcha]

also consider getting some red wiggler worms and starting your own worm composting farm, all you need is a 15 gal rubbermaid with a bunch of holes in the sides and a lb of worms and you are ready to start making your own worm castings. you homemade stuff will be much higher quality than the store bought stuff and will give you unlimited castings forever pretty much, as long as your keep the worms healthy, there are threads around here about worm composting, look up on the organic section if you wish to give it a go!

a lb should be able to make a few gallons of tea for your plants. You can use from a cup to a few cups per 5 gallons of water, probably between 5-10 cups in a lb

 

[pothead6]

4lb from 13 plants

do you think i would be able to make enough castings if i went out lets say tomorrow got some worms and a tote / would regular canadian night crawlers from a fishing supplier work? being i plan to go out in early may?

 

[Team Microbe]

awesome man thanks for actually taking the time to go and find and link all that stuff. ive read alot about making the tea. do you use it to folar feed or just soil. being were still in winter i cant really go to any location just yet so my exact spot is still up for debate. i wana try and find a place that is nice and open thats why in a swap would work well but the underlining issues make me wana go else where.


my goals 4lb with the 8 fems i have from nirvana and the 5 freebie autos i got from attitude. i was planning to go with buckets for the autos. so these ill be able to move around a bit and try and keep them in full sun through out there entire life the 8 fems from nirvana i planned to do 4 plots of 2. may take a trip around town later and get some prices on some peat moss the other stuff u listed aside from lowes ill have to order online. planned to top all of my plants at a young age and then as they flower do the lolly pop tek do u have any expiernce doing that outdoors or would i be better lst

how far will that 1lb of castings go?

I foliar feed from the get-go with compost tea as a pest-preventative and also feed with it. If you read the book Teaming with Microbes it'll let you understand how important compost tea is in organic growing, it can be the difference between your crop being eaten by caterpillars and mold or it thriving in 100% health with twice as much weight.

Location is everything in this game though. Some tips would be to check out land that nobody owns or land that's up for sale (and has been for some time). Finding a parcel that is 100+ acres and up for sale by an owner out of state is gold, these aren't too hard to come by if you do your homework and can secure a spot for you for years since these big parcels seldom sell in the first few years. State land is the next best bet, but I believe you can get in more trouble if found on State land.. not positive though so someone can chime in here.

Swamps are good if you can't water/don't want to risk compromising your grow every week by having to visit with heavy 5 gal buckets full of fertilizer solution. If your rainfall in the area is sufficient then you'll only need to go out during mid summer a few times (unless you rig up a simple reservoir or rain catching system, some even connect this to an automated drip system with a battery-powered timer that opens a valve a certain amount of times a week). With 8 plants you may not need something that sophisticated though...

And if you want 4 pounds this season put out 2x as many plants, because you won't come back with all of them (pests/conditions/ect). I usually grab between 50%-75% of my crop for example.

Buckets are good for the auto's because they won't have much time to out grow those... and the 4 plots of 2 is great for keeping prying eyes at bay. If you can't get those bales unseen then don't bother, I compromised a perfect spot because I did a drop during the day when I got lazy one year. Ended up putting a plant out there for shits to see how it liked the swamp and I grabbed 6 zips off of her, she out grew every other plot. Fuck!! Watch Moonshiners on tv and mimic their tactics, it's exactly like ours and they do some sneaky shit I would've never thought of. Remember, they were here before us sneaking around in the woods!

Don't top your girls until they hit 5-6 nodes or it'll affect your final yields greatly. There are so many ways you can go about training outside, and it all depends on your genetics (whether they respond well to topping) and your intentions really. I know some guys that grow the plant out then just bend it over and tie it down horizontally perpendicular to the ground. They cut off the branches facing the ground and it produces all of these little plants that stick up from her main stem because she buries this as well, producing a HUGE root system that forms soon there after. This is good for keeping plants hidden and not identifiable because they really don't look like cannabis plants like this. Topping every 3-4 nodes should do just fine though, my only advice would be to clean up the inside of the plant come flowering to prevent mold and increase air flow when they begin to bush out.

 

[Team Microbe]

Now is the time to start studying and reading a book or two, it'll give you a few years experience in a few weeks and might save you some time and effort come spring! Wanna know where I got all of my guerrilla inspiration/knowledge?

This book: http://tradesecretspublishing.com/

that book + Teaming with Microbes will make you one scary ass guerrilla in the bush (from a LEO's POV)

 

[5th]

I use Vaseline. Kinky eh?

For when I'm topping outdoors I mean. Lob of a top then stick a gob onto the newly exposed stalk. Works for me to prevent infection.

 

[pothead6]

i have like 5k bag seed. my only issue there is there gonna be refular so ill have to sex them wich adds more work. theres streams through out the woods back here i could take and just plant a bunch along the stream then go back threw later and yank the males.

 

[Team Microbe]

i have like 5k bag seed. my only issue there is there gonna be refular so ill have to sex them wich adds more work. theres streams through out the woods back here i could take and just plant a bunch along the stream then go back threw later and yank the males.

Do that, plant them far enough a part and scatter them to blend them in with your surroundings


These are the best places to plant too, because the side of these streams are usually raised up and has excellent drainage, as well as water underneath even if the top of the soil is dry. It sends a tap root down til it hits water and drinks like we do from a straw. Cull the males in time if you do this, gotta be out there every other day because if one pollen sack opens it can pollinate 90% of your crop alone. You got this.

 

[wannabeebreeder]

Team microbe. Is killing this thread. Great info. Thanks man. + 1.
I would add, plant 2x or 3x more. Becuz shit happens in the woods. Animals, ppl, pests and weather. I had big expectations like you bro. I put in a good amount of time but yielded 4 nice females out of 16 plants Got a half but I was looking for 5#. This year I got a lot more diversity genetic wise. 80+ beans. And I am digging holes and mixing right when the weather breaks. Also hope to get em in the ground earlier. Last yr didn't plant til late may. Still had a 6.5 ft gal but she prolly coulda been 8.
As far as camouflage I am at 43n Great Lakes area. Golden rod is a great cover come fall. Good luck team microbe has shared a vast wealth of knowledge with us. In the hills of ny there's Alotta plant diversity in the woods for coverage.

Good luck with lugging man. The extra effort n time will pay off

 

[Buddah Watcha]

For sure! only one thing I would like to reinforce, try to put plants out after they are at least a foot tall to avoid slug damage, and remember to load up on slug bait the first few weeks.

try to put them out on a shaddy weather so they dont get shocked too badly! if thats not possible try to create some type of cover to shade it a bit... if you are able to expose the plants to sunlight, start with an hour, then 2, and slowly increase it...

my 0.02 cents, wish everyone the best of luck this season!

 

[frankenstein2]

What's up man? I like your goals. I guerilla grow as well, and in just about the same climate. Bring your own dirt, seriously though bring your own dirt!!! I have been constantly upping my game the last three years and it always comes from bringing my own soil with me. yes it's a pain in the ass and a lot of work, oh well. It's so..... worth it. Check out my thread from last year "guerilla in the swamp '13". I pulled 25 pounds from that spot. However don't put anything in containers that you can't visit at least every other day. The more "imported" soil you have per plant, the more they can possibly yield. I had one plant come in at 2 lbs. and lots of others that were between a 1/2- 1 pound a piece. Forget using that foxfarms trio. Jacks classic 20-20-20 for veg, and jacks bloom booster 10-30-20 for flower. My shit turned out so good, lots of locals thought it was indoor hydro. Now back to the dirt- I use happy frog and pro-mix, and I mix at the site. I dig a hole put in equal parts of happy frog and pro-mix, then mix it real good and transplant. Another thing I do is start them in 7 gal grow bags outside. When I think they are big enough I cut the bottom off the grow bag and set it a few inches inside a pre-filled hole of at least 2 cu. ft. of soil (a big bag of dirt from the store for comparison). By doing this I can water the plant through the top of the grow bag and all of the food in the water goes to that plant and nothing else. Just trying to help here mang!! I love outdoor growing and love sharing how I get success!!! Good luck, and oh yeah put your bitches in full sunlight all day if you can. I scout my patches at different times of the day to see where the sun comes up, how it travels across the sky and where it goes down. the plants in my thread got sunlight from 8 a.m. until the sun went down, all year.

 

[Team Microbe]

Team microbe. Is killing this thread. Great info. Thanks man. + 1.
I would add, plant 2x or 3x more. Becuz shit happens in the woods. Animals, ppl, pests and weather. I had big expectations like you bro. I put in a good amount of time but yielded 4 nice females out of 16 plants Got a half but I was looking for 5#. This year I got a lot more diversity genetic wise. 80+ beans. And I am digging holes and mixing right when the weather breaks. Also hope to get em in the ground earlier. Last yr didn't plant til late may. Still had a 6.5 ft gal but she prolly coulda been 8.
As far as camouflage I am at 43n Great Lakes area. Golden rod is a great cover come fall. Good luck team microbe has shared a vast wealth of knowledge with us. In the hills of ny there's Alotta plant diversity in the woods for coverage.

Good luck with lugging man. The extra effort n time will pay off

Thanks man, great points made as well ^

For sure! only one thing I would like to reinforce, try to put plants out after they are at least a foot tall to avoid slug damage, and remember to load up on slug bait the first few weeks.

try to put them out on a shaddy weather so they dont get shocked too badly! if thats not possible try to create some type of cover to shade it a bit... if you are able to expose the plants to sunlight, start with an hour, then 2, and slowly increase it...

my 0.02 cents, wish everyone the best of luck this season!

maybe some shade cloth would do well? I know some growers that use that to ease transplant shock...

What's up man? I like your goals. I guerilla grow as well, and in just about the same climate. Bring your own dirt, seriously though bring your own dirt!!! I have been constantly upping my game the last three years and it always comes from bringing my own soil with me. yes it's a pain in the ass and a lot of work, oh well. It's so..... worth it. Check out my thread from last year "guerilla in the swamp '13". I pulled 25 pounds from that spot. However don't put anything in containers that you can't visit at least every other day. The more "imported" soil you have per plant, the more they can possibly yield. I had one plant come in at 2 lbs. and lots of others that were between a 1/2- 1 pound a piece. Forget using that foxfarms trio. Jacks classic 20-20-20 for veg, and jacks bloom booster 10-30-20 for flower. My shit turned out so good, lots of locals thought it was indoor hydro. Now back to the dirt- I use happy frog and pro-mix, and I mix at the site. I dig a hole put in equal parts of happy frog and pro-mix, then mix it real good and transplant. Another thing I do is start them in 7 gal grow bags outside. When I think they are big enough I cut the bottom off the grow bag and set it a few inches inside a pre-filled hole of at least 2 cu. ft. of soil (a big bag of dirt from the store for comparison). By doing this I can water the plant through the top of the grow bag and all of the food in the water goes to that plant and nothing else. Just trying to help here mang!! I love outdoor growing and love sharing how I get success!!! Good luck, and oh yeah put your bitches in full sunlight all day if you can. I scout my patches at different times of the day to see where the sun comes up, how it travels across the sky and where it goes down. the plants in my thread got sunlight from 8 a.m. until the sun went down, all year.

Damn buddy, 25... congratulations! That's impressive. I gotta pick your brain now (if you don't mind of course) ...

How do you like to transport all that HF and promix bales to your swamp? Drop sites? Or do you have the blessing of being able to drive in near your site? This is always my MAIN obstacle when prepping for outdoor grows. It's hard to find spots to drop soil at without being seen unless I drive an hour out to the more country-like settings. Which brings me to my next question...

How do you like searching/where do you like searching for you spots? Remote as possible or under people's noses in spots that aren't really explored by people? Swamps are great, I had mine in some swamps under peoples noses and some of those noses smelt and found one of my patches. That was a good lesson learned... not to leave trails to your site lol

(p.s. I've found that when hauling bales... making duct tape shoulder straps and wrapping them around the bales like a backpack makes it easier to transport these suckers long distances to remote sites)

I like the simplicity of your mix, is that Jack's Classic organic by any chance? If so I'm using it this year I think. I used osmocote last year (before I went organic) and it made my flowers taste a little weird. I like the 7 gal prep pots too, this is to avoid over-watering at the beginning stages I'm assuming? nice


Thanks for any insight you share brother, appreciate it!

 

[frankenstein2]

I'm really lucky when it comes to my main spot. My friend lives about 2-3 miles out of town. His house sits about 1/4 mile back from the road. He only has 2 neighbors across the road and they both leave for work by 8 a.m.. So when I go there I am comepletely alone. It's about a football field away from where I park my car to the hedge row where I dump the dirt. I have a spot to back my car up to, where I can unload my dirt and it's hidden behind the house where nobody can see. I usually carry all my dirt on my shoulders and dump it into the hedge line. This last year, he had a wheelbarrow sitting around, so I used that. It usually takes me a week to get all the dirt back there. I do recycle dirt, so each year there is a little more already there to use.
The jack's isn't organic as far as I know. It just works the best out of anything I have ever tried. I did the whole organic thing with the farm farm nutrient line two years ago. It was too much of a pain in the ass. As long as you don't over-do it and flush really well chemical ferts work just as good. And really chemical ferts are just concentrated natural elements(never really understood dudes going full retard bout organics, lol). I use my ferts at 3/5's strength all year long and the plants seem to love it.
I start in 7 gal bags or 5 gal pails so I can move the plants around early in the season if I have to, some strains grow faster than others. It also gives me an idea early on which plants have the most potential and deserve a big hole with one or two bags of dirt. It's also just part of how I do things anyway. I always start in small dishes and transplant my way up. This year I bought a sewing machine, so I'm shooting for all 20-30 gallon homemade grow bags. Prolly make a couple 50 gals, and a 100 gal, just to see what happens.
I also just got done making about 1000 feminized autoflower seeds, so I guess I will have some late season plants in 5 gal pails. When I grow auto's outside, I re-use the dirt and plant a late season clone. Last year I got 2 lbs. of NL x BB from reusing my auto dirt and containers.
A little side note- if you check the thread I mentioned earlier in this thread, and see my little swamp garden. Know that 90 % of those plants were under 6" tall when they went out. They made it thru two 25f degree nights and still turned into what you see. cannabis is an amazingly resilient plant.

 

[wannabeebreeder]

A little side note- if you check the thread I mentioned earlier in this thread, and see my little swamp garden. Know that 90 % of those plants were under 6" tall when they went out. They made it thru two 25f degree nights and still turned into what you see. cannabis is an amazingly resilient plant.

Got that right. I harvested a gal October 31. It had survived a few frosty mornings without any issues. Hardy plant species for sure

 

[Team Microbe]

I'm really lucky when it comes to my main spot. My friend lives about 2-3 miles out of town. His house sits about 1/4 mile back from the road. He only has 2 neighbors across the road and they both leave for work by 8 a.m.. So when I go there I am comepletely alone. It's about a football field away from where I park my car to the hedge row where I dump the dirt. I have a spot to back my car up to, where I can unload my dirt and it's hidden behind the house where nobody can see. I usually carry all my dirt on my shoulders and dump it into the hedge line. This last year, he had a wheelbarrow sitting around, so I used that. It usually takes me a week to get all the dirt back there. I do recycle dirt, so each year there is a little more already there to use.
The jack's isn't organic as far as I know. It just works the best out of anything I have ever tried. I did the whole organic thing with the farm farm nutrient line two years ago. It was too much of a pain in the ass. As long as you don't over-do it and flush really well chemical ferts work just as good. And really chemical ferts are just concentrated natural elements(never really understood dudes going full retard bout organics, lol). I use my ferts at 3/5's strength all year long and the plants seem to love it.
I start in 7 gal bags or 5 gal pails so I can move the plants around early in the season if I have to, some strains grow faster than others. It also gives me an idea early on which plants have the most potential and deserve a big hole with one or two bags of dirt. It's also just part of how I do things anyway. I always start in small dishes and transplant my way up. This year I bought a sewing machine, so I'm shooting for all 20-30 gallon homemade grow bags. Prolly make a couple 50 gals, and a 100 gal, just to see what happens.
I also just got done making about 1000 feminized autoflower seeds, so I guess I will have some late season plants in 5 gal pails. When I grow auto's outside, I re-use the dirt and plant a late season clone. Last year I got 2 lbs. of NL x BB from reusing my auto dirt and containers.
A little side note- if you check the thread I mentioned earlier in this thread, and see my little swamp garden. Know that 90 % of those plants were under 6" tall when they went out. They made it thru two 25f degree nights and still turned into what you see. cannabis is an amazingly resilient plant.

Oh damn, yeah you have a legit spot then. I can't find anyone I trust enough to put thousands of dollars worth of plants out in their backyard... maybe some day.

The whole organic movement was kindof nonsense in my eyes as well man... I know exactly what youre saying! I thought "if synthetics produce bigger yield and you can flush at the end, why go organic?" and I just typed out a long answer but deleted it because Dr. Elaine Ingham explains it so much better than I could... It's an organic agricultural Q & A seminar about why inorganic fertilizers are so unhealthy for consumption compared to organic.

I HIGHLY recommend anyone and everyone to listen to this, it's literally gold:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNup_n7i7nw

^it's one of those take it if you need it but leave it if you dare gems^

 

[Team Microbe]

Don't get me wrong for a second though man, you have my OUT-right respect for pulling off a harvest like that. I don't want the above post to come off the wrong way, that's all. I think if you can pull off 25 p's with chems you can honestly pull 30-40 with organic soil that is cooked. I'm seeing results ten-fold in my indoor show and I'm about to try it outside for the first time... I'm told results are twice as good outside (obviously)


I like your style with sewing up your own grow bags, they cost an arm and a leg as it is. I did something similar last year with chicken wire and landscape cloth wrapped on each side (protecting the reflectivity of the wire). They worked pretty well, I made a bunch of 45 gals but my back didn't thank me that's for sure lol.

One question, how do you flush outdoors with synthetics with pots that big?

I'm about to check your swamp oasis out... cheers mate!