Fungus Gnats

[Crusader Rabbit]

Whoa, the thread is taking a nasty turn for the worse. No good reason to do this over gnats.

The Bacillus thuringiensis in mosquito/gnat control products has a limited shelf life. I've purchased a case of Mosquito Dunks and experienced their loss of potency over time. The Bt based Gnatrol I purchased a month ago was on recommendations from this website but it had no apparent effect on a heavy infestation when used at the maximum dosage several times as a soil drench. I assume it was stored improperly or was past its shelf life.

In "alternative" news sites, I have read of concerns regarding Bacillus thuringiensis products. The bacteria somehow causes perforations in the gut lining of insect larvae when ingested. Evidently this can also occur with humans according to the articles I've read. This concern was regarding GMO Bt corn which contains the bacterial genes that code for creating whatever it is (seems it must be a protein) that causes a leaky gut. So I myself wouldn't drink the stuff. But it would seem safe as a soil drench from what little I know about it. Bt products are sprayed on plants to kill caterpillars. Is this OK for foodstuffs? I don't know and I'm too lazy to spend the remaining coolness of this morning researching the subject. I'll definitely read whatever comes with my bottle of Microbe Lift BMC when it arrives.

 

[G.O. Joe]

It was obvious when my big jar of Gnatrol started to go bad because the smell went bad. It never smells great but it can smell bad and then worse. Maybe being opened over and over made it go bad. Maybe the Bti don't do anything but produce toxins, and Gnatrol is the freeze-dried broth they're grown in? It still had some effectiveness but I don't remember the dose because I said fuck this and went all rockwool. At least a heaping tsp/gallon.

 

[LyryC]

A.) been a master for a while now.

I love bong hits, please man your killing me hahahaha.

We are all on this journey of life together, lets keep it real, too many posers and wanna be's out there.

you clearly love cannabis, but you haven't yet taken the time to truly understand the plant and how to utilize it to your and its potential.

you have a lot to learn and practice as do eye, but eye do not claim to be a master grower, just a professional, and with the evolution of my knowledge, skills and experience this year alone, thats being modest.

heres a tip : don't leave leaf litter in your pots, the time it takes for the leaves to break down into soluble nutrients for uptake takes half a year and some worms. itd be healthier to keep the pots clean, and instead amend with EWC once a month or make compost tea's they'll give you immediate results. Leaf litter is a bad habbit and dirty practice that isn't associated with high standards of horticulture in all plant industries. In apple orchards they have to remove all dead leaves due to a fungus that lives on the leaves and overwinters and then causes cankers on the apples. Keep it clean brotha, thats about 50% of this game.

 

[PoweredByLove]

I love bong hits, please man your killing me hahahaha.

We are all on this journey of life together, lets keep it real, too many posers and wanna be's out there.

you clearly love cannabis, but you haven't yet taken the time to truly understand the plant and how to utilize it to your and its potential.

you have a lot to learn and practice as do eye, but eye do not claim to be a master grower, just a professional, and with the evolution of my knowledge, skills and experience this year alone, thats being modest.

heres a tip : don't leave leaf litter in your pots, the time it takes for the leaves to break down into soluble nutrients for uptake takes half a year and some worms. itd be healthier to keep the pots clean, and instead amend with EWC once a month or make compost tea's they'll give you immediate results. Leaf litter is a bad habbit and dirty practice that isn't associated with high standards of horticulture in all plant industries. In apple orchards they have to remove all dead leaves due to a fungus that lives on the leaves and overwinters and then causes cankers on the apples. Keep it clean brotha, thats about 50% of this game.

lo fucking l. please stop. you obviously do not know what you are talking about.

this is 1 week after i put these down here...not 6 months...omfg the stupidity that comes out of these forums #facepalm

the difference between us is you think you know shit and i KNOW i know shit. so plz. miss me with that bullshit. i know what i'm talking about from experience not because someone else told me something and i just swallowed it down whole.

also my name is powered by love now. or PBL for short, you don't have to keep calling me stihgnobevoli. everyone knows man. stop being a fucking rat. this is why i don't trust people on weed forums. always with the ego. will be the first ones to name names.

lol always trying to talk shit, when you're scared of your own shadow. you guys nuke everything in the soil then add back a bunch of chemicals and spout off misguided nonsense...fucking idiot doesn't even know soil mites and bacteria and molds and shit all naturally live in the soil and break down dead matter. lol thinks the ground is made of worms all the way down "its gonna take you 6 months and some worms to break down all those leaves" omfg lol go read a goddamn biology book and find out about the food web/food chain.

i mean goddamn. blowing hard as fuck don't know shit about what you're trying to spout off about.

#masteringthecraft

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Think mine gnats survive cause they use cavities inside fabric pots...

they hide inside and survive flush with Bti somehow,that is what i was encounter.

If pots are plastic ones that will be more effective for total eradication..

That's interesting. I'd think the larvae are quite mobile and would encounter the Bti in their search for food. But I don't question your experiences with this. I find that plastic pots with their drain holes give the flyers better access to the soil. But I haven't used fabric containers and so can't make a personal comparison. Thanks for your input.

As for the rest of this thread... I'm outa here.

 

[CannaBruh]

The Mfr states on the label for anyone to read "hazardous to humans and domestic animals"

I've never seen a warning label on a bottle of Avid, what's hard to understand here?

Clearly we have an industry that is profit driven, in the case of unmarked Avid bottles, while in parallel we are being recommended to use a product that is clearly marked as hazardous.

So when a member asks about protocol for handling such materials, we are chastised... noted.

 

[sc1]

Hello I just saw your post. I did not read any of the replies so I don't know if you have solved your problem. But if you are still fighting the gnats, get a bag of vermiculite. Cover the top of your growing medium with a layer of the vermiculite. The gnats hate it. They'll leave.

 

[kwikness]

bacillus thuringiensis works wonders, especially in liquid form when mixed in with your nutrient solution

 

[Sativan]

I think I'm going with the Microbelift BMC. The increased level of BTI seems to make sense to me. Does BTI really go bad? That sucks. I could use the mosquito dunks with the Microbelift BMC for redundancy.

The Fungus gnats seem to be in the plumbing in my apartment building. They come out of nowhere even when my media is fine/ie no fungus. Or am I just crazy?

I've been on several forums for various subjects and arguments don't help. But they always happen when someone has different ideas on how to accomplish the same goal.

Thanks everyone for all your input. The fucking fungus gnats piss me off so bad I love crushing them by hand and then talking shit to their dead carcasses. Yeah that's sick.

 

[Sativan]

"people just walk into your home, at random? do you have locks?"

Indeed I do have locks but they have keys! Their assholes since I got busted. They seem to think they're paying the rent in my apartment and enter without my permission.

There was a fire down the hall and the firemen came in my apartment. I wasn't here so I really don't know how it happened. Where I live the police often volunteer at the fire dept. and cops are always nosey as shit. Anyways they claimed they were checking the ceiling to see if the fire was spreading. Bullshit, I have a concrete ceiling so they're were obviously lying through their pig teeth.

 

[Sativan]

Hello I just saw your post. I did not read any of the replies so I don't know if you have solved your problem. But if you are still fighting the gnats, get a bag of vermiculite. Cover the top of your growing medium with a layer of the vermiculite. The gnats hate it. They'll leave.

I restarted new plants and of course there are some fucking gnats flying around again.

 

[Sativan]

I can't find the report, but oregon, the state did a test on MYCO products.

Off shelf shit like OGTEA and OBGIOWAR, and stuff from lines, like piranha.

The test was for spore counts. For instance if you look at Great White from plant success they claim so many spores per gram.

Oregon tested that and found quite alarming results.

Most off the shelf products contained no spores or 1/32nd the amount advertised.

I recommend you don't take the lazy, expensive, uneducated route.

People don't realize that so many companies are taking advantage of them, selling snake oils, and bullshit products... Because theres no standards or professionalism in this industry... so these fools got smart and took lead with marketing and fake promises.

So many nutrient companies are posers. IF they really had ur best interest in mind, they would stop selling fucking water.

Same goes for Bennies. You need to make COMPOST TEA.

AACT Air Activated Compost Tea.

If you don't specifically use compost in your tea, its vermitea.

Anyways, if you need help with compost tea thats a whole new world, but thats the way to go about having benneficial populations in your medium.

go to the organic subforum and look up the sticky threads, amazing knowledge and its old, but still holds down.



now if you are a lazy asss smuck and really won't do the work and invest into compost tea, because lets face it, that shit is the best there is period, you have another choice.

EM-1 Known as Effective Microorganisms is a product eye highly recommend and make all my clients use.

ITs so fucking good, they make an edible version you drink.

ITS so fucking good you can spray where your stupid cat or dog pissed and the microbes will literally eat the odor causing shit away.

I don't recommend OGTEA anymore, and if you want the BEST COMPOST TEA.

Dr Earth products. Look no further. SuperActive™ Soil & Seed Inoculant This product tested higher than anythign else from oregon, infact the product exceeded by a ridiculous amount the claimed spore count.

All my dr earth experiences have been nothing but excellent.

i can't find the report but heres an article from it
ODA finds big problems with little organisms

I totally agree with Dr. Earth. Their products are great. Thanks.

 

[PoweredByLove]

just do what you did last time. if you don't give them a breeding ground they won't be there reproducing. your media stays too wet. either top it with some shit that doesn't stay wet or some mulch leaf litter, anything. or use BTI and chemicals or whatever. but the gnats are there becuase you give them a home.

 

[chronosync]

Gnats are always a nuisance especially if organic and in coir.
I use neem oil to spray the flyers.
I try and not spray the soil or plants with the oil.
I use neem cake (meal) as a top dressing.
I use BTI in my water.
This regime tends to beat them back.
Another trick is they love coffee.
Leave a cup of coffee and soon it will be covered in dead gnats if your having a population explosion.
Ratz

With or without milk and sugar?

 

[who dat is]

Nice trick about the coffee. Is it just that they like the smell if it's room temperature coffee or are they attracted to it only when it's hot/warm?

 

[chronosync]

I'm skeptical, last night I placed a small saucer of organic molasses in my tent. No real reaction. I have sm-90 on the way.

Who dat
If I happen to see that stuff while I'm out should I get it until my juice comes in? I gotta at least get some more stickies should a could a killed them before they got going and my plants are in flower.

 

[who dat is]

I'm skeptical, last night I placed a small saucer of organic molasses in my tent. No real reaction. I have sm-90 on the way.

Who dat
If I happen to see that stuff while I'm out should I get it until my juice comes in? I gotta at least get some more stickies should a could a killed them before they got going and my plants are in flower.

What stuff?

 

[chronosync]

Sorry

I meant the dunks or microbelift

 

[Dog Star]

Milk killing a fungus that gnats are feeding,its better than Cynamon cause
will not kill your worms if you have them...

3% Hydrogen Peroxide mixed 1:4 with water and then drenched will kill gnat larvae
directly if you have hard infestation.

Bti offcourse is a good product,yellow straps are good for flyers..

 

[Sativan]

just do what you did last time. if you don't give them a breeding ground they won't be there reproducing. your media stays too wet. either top it with some shit that doesn't stay wet or some mulch leaf litter, anything. or use BTI and chemicals or whatever. but the gnats are there becuase you give them a home.

I'd have to diagree with you characterization. I didn't give them a home. I went out of town and came to back them flyin around my apartment.