From seed Vs clone

[MadR1]

Been wanting to ask this for a while.

I get that humans have made cannabis stronger through selective mating.

However, might the typical style of growing from clone actually slow down the progression of these species?

Putting a small amount of pollen on a few flowers really makes the whole yield that much weaker?

I have gotten plenty medicated from pregnant plants.

Also, I notice the aroma declines a bit when they get pregnant? Sorry, I have a very limited sense of smell.

Just seems unfair they don't get to have sex much. I have been beekeeping though, and it seems only a few of those males ever get to have sex and when they do they get their genitals removed and die. Not that insects and plants have much in common...

 

[corky1968]

I bet 40 years ago. Most if not all the cannabis sold was seeded.

Unseeded plants just make for easier smoking that's all.

 

[igrowone]

40 years ago most weed was seeded
if it wasn't seeded not many would even look twice at it
and seeded weed can be very good, though it was a chore to remove the seeds
DJ Short has a post out there that he personally prefers seeded weed, nicer feel to it
i'd grow seeded myself if it wasn't such a hit to yields, but it is

 

[MadR1]

On a totally subjective level I feel that women are more into me when I smoke seeded.

Aside from the plants perspective, seems we would all benefit from more growers creating their own IBL's.

I have only been growing for 10 years. My most advanced line is some Blue Chem Haze. I will post pictures and a smoke report when my latest pregnant female of such finishes in 6 weeks or so.

Peace!

 

[corky1968]

On a totally subjective level I feel that women are more into me when I smoke seeded.

I know why this is.

Women generally like seedy guys because they have all the fun.

 

[MadR1]

In LA I used to find seeds in clinic bud. 3 years in NorCal, haven't found 1 plantable seed!

 

[mr.brunch]

Back in the early 90s me and a mate grew a lovely crop of seedless bud , but when we went to sell a few o's we were asked " where's the seeds? Did you remove them?"
How times change.

 

[Dirt Life]

Ha! I remember cleaning brick on old LPs with a card. Put crumbled herb/shake @ top of lp, and lightly "sift", letting seeds fall, herb stays on top. Scrape back up to top and repeat process until clean. Last time I ever did that was early 90's, and I'm not even that old (36).

Man, there was like a whole routine with that, sort of like pre ritual to smoke. Wouldnt say I miss it so much, but, it does remind me of back in the days and being a kid and stuff...

 

[igrowone]

Ha! I remember cleaning brick on old LPs with a card. Put crumbled herb/shake @ top of lp, and lightly "sift", letting seeds fall, herb stays on top. Scrape back up to top and repeat process until clean. Last time I ever did that was early 90's, and I'm not even that old (36).

Man, there was like a whole routine with that, sort of like pre ritual to smoke. Wouldnt say I miss it so much, but, it does remind me of back in the days and being a kid and stuff...

you nailed that pretty nice
it was the ritual, just a natural part of smoking weed for years

 

[Easy7]

Unpollinated plants are more potent/oily because

The resin glands swell to attract pollen
More energy goes towards producing flowers with oils

 

[mr.brunch]

Oh. Now there's a can of worms right there......

 

[igrowone]

one idle thought on the seedless/seeded 'debate'
outdoor seeded weed much cleaner than seedless?
an unpollinated bud is basically flypaper, seen many a picture with tiny insect parts stuck in there
i recall outdoor seeded as being nice and clean, though back in the day not many were putting magnification on them

 

[MadR1]

I love how there is always way more to learn than I thought. Finding this very interesting. Wanting to do a side by side grow comparison with two clones maybe.

Finding this a good excuse to learn how to use my DSLR as well. Breeding is something I am passionate about.

After last nights mating, 3 weeks in from seed here is my latest couple of Blue Chem Dream.



She will frost up if she's like the last 6 gens. Her leaves are very shinny, which doesn't show so good in my pics maybe.

I read DJ Shorts book. I know my male here looks kinda lanky. Was very late to bust a nut though, has crystals, smells strong.

When I rubbed the trunk of the male it was very Chem smell dominant, with a hint of blueberry. The Female smells like cool mentholated blueberry.

I crossed an unknown diesel cross to a new gen, then I crossed a male to Blueberry. I did two generations, then did a BX to my original Blue Chem. I did 4 more generations then crossed a male to Blue Dream. These looked surprisingly more uniform to me than usual, though there was only the two. I think my other two are guys and not very aromatic, fatter leaves, but I doubt I'll keep them long.

Not the simplest breeding project for a beginner. After years of research I think the unknown Diesel cross I started with was (Dutch Treat Early Pheno X Headband) X (Dutch Treat Late Pheno X Headband). My first cross! The breeder who made those beans didn't leave notes, but supposedly talked about Headband in his late years.

Peace!

 

[MadR1]

I bent the female over. When both stood straight, the structure was very similar.

 

[OranguTrump]

Ha! I remember cleaning brick on old LPs with a card. Put crumbled herb/shake @ top of lp, and lightly "sift", letting seeds fall, herb stays on top. Scrape back up to top and repeat process until clean. Last time I ever did that was early 90's, and I'm not even that old (36).

Man, there was like a whole routine with that, sort of like pre ritual to smoke. Wouldnt say I miss it so much, but, it does remind me of back in the days and being a kid and stuff...

I've got 20 years on ya & that is one of MY fave memories from my youth.

Double album, fat bag of seeded buds, some incense & about a 1/2 hour usually yielded a film canister full of seeds. I used to eat them, long before the hemp seed craze. I still find the occasional seed & keep them, hoping to find something interesting.

 

[Dirt Life]

I remember finding some pretty funky stuff in a few of those shakey bottoms of brick sacks we used to get (really cheap, lots o' smoke). Dirt, pebbles, rocks, amd small to big insect casings were just a few things I can recall. But, some of the best times of my youth came during & from those sessions, days and days of smoke.

 

[mr.brunch]

Used to love finding seeds in import weed- that's how i cut my teeth in growing , as it were. All those free seeds , didn't matter if you fucked it up , learned a lot that way.
I remember at age 12 poppin some Thai seeds on my bedroom window ledge, telling my parents that they were chilli peppers for a science project.... A more learned uncle came to see them (they were a foot tall and damn healthy looking) and said "you can't have these at your parents house!" Then took them to his growroom for me.

Ahh, great days.

 

[MJPassion]

Fuggin awesome uncle!

 

[Shmavis]

... 1/2 hour usually yielded a film canister full of seeds..

I have great memories of film canisters full of seeds myself!

From Clarke's "Marijuana Botany":

"What actually happens when a pistillate plant remains unfertilized for its entire life and how this ultimately affects the cannabinoid (class of molecules found only in Cannabis) and terpene (a class of aromatic organic compounds) levels remains a mystery. It is assumed, however, that seeding cuts the life of the plant short and THC (tetrahydrocannabinol — the major psychoactive compound in Cannabis) does not have enough time to accumulate. Hormonal changes associated with seeding definitely affect all metabolic processes within the plant including cannabinoid biosynthesis. The exact nature of these changes is unknown but probably involves imbalance in the enzymatic systems controlling cannabinoid production. Upon fertilization the plant's energies are channeled into seed production instead of increased resin production. Sinsemilla plants continue to produce new floral clusters until late fall, while seeded plants cease floral production. It is also suspected that capitate-stalked trichome production might cease when the calyx is fertilized. If this is the case, then sinsemilla may be higher in THC because of uninterrupted floral growth, trichome formation and cannabinoid production. This is important with respect to propagation is that once again the farmer has interfered with the life cycle and no fertilized seeds have been produced."

I've wondered too about potency and terpene levels between seeded and non-seeded. I'm also positive that I read somewhere else (some years ago) that seeded cannabis has a higher potency... can't remember where I read it, but it was basically the same reasoning that Killing time put forth.

Have current research efforts shown Clarke to be correct or incorrect? Or is there yet nothing conclusive?

 

[igrowone]

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I've wondered too about potency and terpene levels between seeded and non-seeded. I'm also positive that I read somewhere else (some years ago) that seeded cannabis has a higher potency... can't remember where I read it, but it was basically the same reasoning that Killing time put forth.

Have current research efforts shown Clarke to be correct or incorrect? Or is there yet nothing conclusive?

i'm not aware of any strong studies on this
but i have noticed personally that potency is not well correlated with quantity of resin
the super sticky isn't always the most potent
i have seen a few posts where it was mentioned some terpenes don't enhance the cannabinoids, rather they inhibit them
it seems to vary from plant to plant, with the rare one being the keeper
which is kind of what we know already