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willyweed
well the cat likes it ,must be good
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So if anyone has time head over and check the Ultimate Sativa Thread. On page 499 Bushweed posted pictures of this thai plant. Based on the look of the leaf and petiole color, I feel like I can pretty solidly go ahead and say that the GD London 1972 is of southeast asian origin. Thoughts?
JazzMatazz
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well it has thin leaves, so most certainly SA or Indochina.
But Doobie's Panama look similar, so I doubt you can say whether SA or IC.
And even then: there may well be a hybrid in there, which doesn't affect the leaves. You cannot know. But you will know more from smell, taste and flowering duration.
Apart from all ifs, buts and maybes: Nice plant, well fed!!
P.S: Maybe GD means "Guang Dong" province in China? Or simply "Good dope".
But Doobie's Panama look similar, so I doubt you can say whether SA or IC.
And even then: there may well be a hybrid in there, which doesn't affect the leaves. You cannot know. But you will know more from smell, taste and flowering duration.
Apart from all ifs, buts and maybes: Nice plant, well fed!!
P.S: Maybe GD means "Guang Dong" province in China? Or simply "Good dope".
Great thread. I thought the same about SE Asian genes when I first saw your pics about a month ago Bear_Riot, but I didn't want to speculate too noisily. What I also thought was, if it came from London in 72, I'd bet on Thai or Malawi, because those were the cultivars most available in the UK in the 70s...but then I thought - what if he means London Ontario?
Is that the '72 in the shot above with the cat yawning, or is that CBG's Destroyer? Because that shot looks almost exactly like the local Thai I grow...
And here's a different Thai (x Brazilian) that also looks similar...
Is that the '72 in the shot above with the cat yawning, or is that CBG's Destroyer? Because that shot looks almost exactly like the local Thai I grow...
And here's a different Thai (x Brazilian) that also looks similar...
I've read somewhere that DJ Short thinks Central and South American genetics have a basis in Thai genetics. I don't believe I read about how DJ backed this up. From what little I know about history of the Americas, I'd say it is likely that East Indians brought it. "East" as in Asian, not native Americans. I have seen pictures of feral plants next to some cows lying around from the north east side of India that looked very much Thai like to me.
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Thanks for posting those pics. Yeah its all the GD in this thread. They look like long lost siblings, or at least really good pals who used to toke up together way back when
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well it has thin leaves, so most certainly SA or Indochina.
But Doobie's Panama look similar, so I doubt you can say whether SA or IC.
And even then: there may well be a hybrid in there, which doesn't affect the leaves. You cannot know. But you will know more from smell, taste and flowering duration.
Apart from all ifs, buts and maybes: Nice plant, well fed!!
P.S: Maybe GD means "Guang Dong" province in China? Or simply "Good dope".
One of the problems that we are running into with ID is that...ganja looks like ganja, generally speaking.
Bud was not that common in london or Birmingham at that time , light green compressed Jamaican was around but most people smoked the assorted solids which were still of high quality then.
Seed from the Jamaican grew huge plants with similarly thin leaves , up to 13 blades , but would not finish outdoors UK or indoors when tried in 1980 , and many were intersex to some extent.
I read a post here (unsourced) where it was stated that in the mid nineteen twenties the big American pharmaceutical companies imported a bunch of seed from Indonesia/Borneo and started plantations in Central America. This provided the start for our Central American and Colombian strains.
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Thats very interesting Id like to source that somehow. Good luck finding much concrete evidence of the former activities of big pharma though...those sneaky track-covering ferret furriers...
"Heroin" is a brand name, originally owned by the Bayer corporation. Heroin was synthesized and its original purpose was to combat...wait for it...opium addiction. Das funny, das very funny. We must do EVERYTHING we can to keep corporations away from psychoactive cannabis and psychoactive cannabis away from corporations. If the indica-hybrid/cash crop crisis was bad to begin with, it will be ten million times worse if Philip Morris and Monsanto start controlling the genetic pool of cannabis. LONG LIVE HEIRLOOM GENETICS!!!!!!!!!!
LilMan72003
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I tend to agree with Paco (a master of landrace strains) that the plant you are showing us is a Haze. Can't wait to watch her take off in the spring. Even with your seemingly nutrient rich soil mix, I might consider supplementing in whichever way you choose to help her maximize growth potential considering the extended growth span.
germinating a 40 year old seed in less than 48h its a miracle. Maybe the seeds aren't from 1972, but much more recent, who knows... Good luck.
Bear posted somewhere early on in the thread that he doubted that they could be 40 year old seeds. I believe he was thinking that these are F-umpteenth from GD London 72 parentals... which seems more likely to me.
Too bad we couldnt see them all popped at once. Perhaps its stabilized.
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This is much more likely the case. Theres no reason that the seeds I found couldn't be much more recently produced and then gifted from a friend. I think we can tell conclusively when I try to germinate the others...If they go, then, well, I doubt they're more than a couple years old.
The oldest canna seeds i have managed to pop took a week to show a root and all were feeble plants that soon died.
Found in the crease of a gatefold LP from Hawkwind , a proper UK stoner band , LSD , shrooms and Jamaican to come down on , some amazeing gigs and festivals before it all got sanitised and commercialised.
These were 26 years old and not stored well , the fact that 3 from 13 seeds germinated suggests that at 40 odd years a few could still germinate , but the speed of germination of the GD and obvious vigour since then would lead me to favour the idea that they are more recent.
Problem with the really old ones is that you rarely have enougth seeds to experiment with , am sure that GA3 would save many and have been playing with it on a variety of old stock and species in various dilutions and times of exposure.
50 ppm for 24 hours at 75 f seems a reasonable start point but much variation even within canna , online suggestions useing much higher ppm,s are as likely to kill as help in practice , unless you have a bagfull to test on.
Have used up over 2000 seeds in batches of 50 of old F2,s that turned out to be shite for hermy or other issues , some crosses like 50 ppm , some 300 ppm for any effect , 500 ppm seems to kill everything canna.
Viability of one batch is a natural 15% at 12 years badly stored and few survive to break soil , GA3 raised it to 25% and most survive , worth experimenting i feel.
Have a small collection of old seeds that are important to me , but too few to get it wrong , so frozen untill i have more confidence in useing hormones.
It might not be a viable process now , but i can envisage tec getting to the point where DNA can be recovered and used from plain leaf material , and have well preserved pressed leaves from almost every decent plant have grown includeing several old/lost strains from 1978 onwards
Found in the crease of a gatefold LP from Hawkwind , a proper UK stoner band , LSD , shrooms and Jamaican to come down on , some amazeing gigs and festivals before it all got sanitised and commercialised.
These were 26 years old and not stored well , the fact that 3 from 13 seeds germinated suggests that at 40 odd years a few could still germinate , but the speed of germination of the GD and obvious vigour since then would lead me to favour the idea that they are more recent.
Problem with the really old ones is that you rarely have enougth seeds to experiment with , am sure that GA3 would save many and have been playing with it on a variety of old stock and species in various dilutions and times of exposure.
50 ppm for 24 hours at 75 f seems a reasonable start point but much variation even within canna , online suggestions useing much higher ppm,s are as likely to kill as help in practice , unless you have a bagfull to test on.
Have used up over 2000 seeds in batches of 50 of old F2,s that turned out to be shite for hermy or other issues , some crosses like 50 ppm , some 300 ppm for any effect , 500 ppm seems to kill everything canna.
Viability of one batch is a natural 15% at 12 years badly stored and few survive to break soil , GA3 raised it to 25% and most survive , worth experimenting i feel.
Have a small collection of old seeds that are important to me , but too few to get it wrong , so frozen untill i have more confidence in useing hormones.
It might not be a viable process now , but i can envisage tec getting to the point where DNA can be recovered and used from plain leaf material , and have well preserved pressed leaves from almost every decent plant have grown includeing several old/lost strains from 1978 onwards
R
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Good post Foomar thanks. Yeah this plant is behaving like a champ. There's really no way in my mind that the seeds are as old as we originally thought. She is so strong and so vigorous and can take anything thrown at her, it seems. If you read back in the thread there is a mention of an incident a couple weeks ago when my greenhouse lost heat. Basically she was subjected to 40F and below temperatures for at least one night, maybe two nights. There was a bit of shock induced leaf curling and some drooping sadness in all the plants, but out of five plants, four of which were top notch genetics grown from seed that was less than a year old, the GD London bounced back the quickest and was exhibiting new growth in the meristems a full two days before the rest of the group. That says to me that A, regardless of her history, she is a stout sexy biatch, and B, no plant that would be described as 'feeble' would have been able to do that, and if old seeds uniformly produce feeble plants, this seed was not that old.
jahrastafarii
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let there be pixxxxx
Bear
whateva she may be she is a sexy bitch ,Soo i for one look forward to what she will produce in her final product
The idea about old stock being feeble im not sure but about Sativa or Haze being feeble in anyway EFFFMMHP Haze is a beast hard to Kill
1luvbigherb
whateva she may be she is a sexy bitch ,Soo i for one look forward to what she will produce in her final product
The idea about old stock being feeble im not sure but about Sativa or Haze being feeble in anyway EFFFMMHP Haze is a beast hard to Kill
1luvbigherb
mdclone
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Great thread! I will admit I haven't read through in its entirety, but this is great reading as I have a old relative who has been growing and doing a bit of selection over 30 years of growing who has had to retire from smoking/growing. He has been keeping seeds in the freezer for all these years and I hope to have them bestowed upon me in hopes to find some sick old school/unique genetics. Very hopeful!
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