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FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SUDDENLY COULDENT HANDLE SMOKING ONE DAY

skullznroses

that aint nothing but 10 cent lovin
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Smoking is def related to how many dumb ass strangers I have to deal with everyday slowing my life down to a stand still. I like to smoke so much more after days around people. Too bad I don't have a farm and a tractor. When I got serious work to do, smoking can sometimes be too much of a pain to deal with, sometimes.
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
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Well I too have thyroid problems, I'm not sure whether it's "hypo" or "hyper" in my case. I think it's hyper because basically my thyroid is releasing more of the enzymes it releases then it's supposed to. Which when un treated causes me to be intolerant to heat in that I'm hot all the time, at it's worse I remember riding around in my car during the coldest part of winter (and no I don't live some place warm year round) not only without the heat on and without a coat but with the window cracked so I wouldn't get too sweaty. It also caused my heart rate to go from a relatively normal resting rate of 78 beats per minute to a resting rate of nearly 120 beats per minute. It also caused me to shake, not all over but if I held my hand out in front of me I couldn't keep it still and steady no matter how hard I tried. The doctors finally diagnosed it as Graves disease and started treating it with a pill that essentially eats up the excess enzymes the thyroid is producing which is what causes the symptoms. I've been taking that medicine for about 15 years now and the problem seems like it's gone although it's not, if I stop the medication the symptoms gradually come back.

In having gone thru all of that though and having been a heavy smoker thru most of that, I've never noticed any correlation between my thyroid problems and marijuana use. In fact at the time my symptoms became the worst and was first diagnosed I was smoking very infrequently like maybe a half dozen times a month at most and even then fairly small amounts because it was weed bought off the streets and I couldn't afford more and growing wasn't an option at the time
 

RadiationSnow

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Well I too have thyroid problems, I'm not sure whether it's "hypo" or "hyper" in my case. I think it's hyper because basically my thyroid is releasing more of the enzymes it releases then it's supposed to. Which when un treated causes me to be intolerant to heat in that I'm hot all the time, at it's worse I remember riding around in my car during the coldest part of winter (and no I don't live some place warm year round) not only without the heat on and without a coat but with the window cracked so I wouldn't get too sweaty. It also caused my heart rate to go from a relatively normal resting rate of 78 beats per minute to a resting rate of nearly 120 beats per minute. It also caused me to shake, not all over but if I held my hand out in front of me I couldn't keep it still and steady no matter how hard I tried. The doctors finally diagnosed it as Graves disease and started treating it with a pill that essentially eats up the excess enzymes the thyroid is producing which is what causes the symptoms. I've been taking that medicine for about 15 years now and the problem seems like it's gone although it's not, if I stop the medication the symptoms gradually come back.

In having gone thru all of that though and having been a heavy smoker thru most of that, I've never noticed any correlation between my thyroid problems and marijuana use. In fact at the time my symptoms became the worst and was first diagnosed I was smoking very infrequently like maybe a half dozen times a month at most and even then fairly small amounts because it was weed bought off the streets and I couldn't afford more and growing wasn't an option at the time


Selenium slows down thyroid production.

Also I heard that graves disease (And hashimoto's) is caused by a virus.

Could be lyme, and gluten idk.

However I remember hearing that George senior bush, his wife, and dog all came down with graves and then after awhile it passed.

So if I was you I would look into taking Selenium, Small amounts of iodine, and salt loading to remove fluoride from your thyroid and bromine.

I would seriously go slow though because you are going to detox hard.

High basal temperature in the morning is hyperthyroid/infection.

Diet and check into those minerals (Selenium, Iodine)

"This result is made worse by another phenomenon which hasn't been thoroughly studied: a selenium deficiency causes an iodine deficiency to get worse. This may be a protective adaptation by the body to limit the damage caused to the thyroid when selenium is deficient and iodine is adequate. Let's examine this part of the interaction.

We've all heard that many doctors tell hypo patients, especially those with Hashimoto's thyroiditis, not to take iodine because it can aggravate their condition. The reason seems to be that selenium protects the thyroid gland from oxidative damage and this damage can increase significantly if iodine is supplemented. Taking iodine will increase thyroid hormone production and the production of H2O2 which damages the thyroidal cells. The lack of selenium prevents GPX from being able to protect the cells from this oxidative damage. While I doubt if most doctors realize why iodine should be restricted (it certainly seemed counter-intuitive to me at first), they have learned through experience that iodine can increase the thyroid damage in Hashimoto's. The information that selenium should be supplemented along with iodine is so new that most of them are unaware of it.

Here's what we have: Studies have shown that if iodine is low, selenium must also be kept low to prevent the hypothyroidism from becoming worse (from increased DI-I and T4 depletion, as explained above.) So if both minerals are low, then the person is hypo and gets a goiter, but the damage to the thyroid is kept to a minimum. More severe problems happen when either selenium or iodine is high and the other is low. If selenium is high and iodine low, then T4 to T3 to T2 conversion is accelerated without T4 being replenished, leading to a worsening of the hypoT. If iodine is high and selenium is low, then H2O2 is not degraded by GPX. Since H2O2 drives the thyroid hormone production, then the thyroid over-produces thyroid hormone (Grave's hyperthyroidism), the thyroid is damaged from the oxidation by the H2O2, and the end result is that the damaged thyroid ultimately decreases activity and hypothyroidism results (Hashimoto's thyroiditis). This could explain the observed progression of Grave's to Hashimoto's.

If a selenium deficiency causes an iodine deficiency, leaving you both selenium and iodine deficient, and supplementing with either selenium or iodine causes severe problems, then the only solution is to supplement both selenium and iodine simultaneously and gradually. Even then you could experience an immediate boost (from increased conversion of T4 to T3) with a subsequent letdown (lack of T4 production because of insufficient iodine or other necessary nutrient). You have to be prepared to ride out the tough times and continue increasing the selenium and iodine until those two deficiencies are corrected and the respective metabolic pathways are back working properly.

Everything that I've read about selenium indicates that it is absolutely essential for proper functioning of the thyroid. A deficiency of selenium may lead to either hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism. I've always wondered if high intake of selenium can lead to hyperthyroidism and finally found someone who did the experiment. They found that a high intake of selenium will not increase T4 production and lead to hyperthyroidism.

If a person has hyperT, then it looks like taking selenium without iodine will result in a decrease in production of T4 (although there may be an initial transient increase in T4 to T3 conversion and hence higher T3). I would suggest to start with a small amount of selenium methionine (about 50 mcg) and gradually increase it. I cannot see any way that thyroid function can be normalized without selenium.

For hypos the important message is that a selenium deficiency may cause an iodine deficiency, so that even though you are taking iodine you may not be assimilating it unless selenium is also being taken. This would explain how people can have iodine deficiencies even though salt and many foods have iodine added. Supplement with both iodine and selenium. I would recommend starting with 100 mcg of selenium and one kelp tablet and gradually work up to 400-600 mcg of selenium and 2-4 tablets of kelp.

While I've found research on the interactions of iodine and selenium, there are two other minerals which need to be studied for their interactions with these two: zinc and copper. I found one study which examined the complex interactions of selenium, iodine, and zinc (there are interactions), but none which have looked at all four minerals in a 4 X 4 factorial design. Now that would be an interesting study! Hopefully someone will do that soon.

I think one lesson from studying the interactions of selenium and iodine is that the interrelationships between minerals are very complicated. Supplementing with one or two can cause further problems. You have to make sure that you correct every deficiency. Health is built from a chain of nutrients and, like a chain, health cannot be accomplished if one nutrient is missing. Sometimes it's complicated putting the chain back together without running into problems (like supplementing with either selenium or iodine, but not both), but every deficiency has to be corrected"
 

Siomha

Member
My friend has thyroid problems. She has the same side effects like HempKat describes.

She has what is called Hashi Motto and it makes life very bad.

As I personally know she eats very very healthy doing a lot of exercise, has an homeopathic doctor as well who treats her with all natural medicine but nothing helps her much.

Her hairs is thinning out too it is very frustating not in every case the medicine works.
On some people the medicin helps out a lot in other cases they have to live with it.
 

RadiationSnow

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My friend has thyroid problems. She has the same side effects like HempKat describes.

She has what is called Hashi Motto and it makes life very bad.

As I personally know she eats very very healthy doing a lot of exercise, has an homeopathic doctor as well who treats her with all natural medicine but nothing helps her much.

Her hairs is thinning out too it is very frustating not in every case the medicine works.
On some people the medicin helps out a lot in other cases they have to live with it.

No one has to live with a disease.

Hashimoto described his disease in Germany. He explained it was due to poor population lacking Iodine.

Although the diet may be correct I am very positive that if one completely excludes halides that do not belong in their body.

Such as Fluoride - You get it from any tap water or foods that are created with tap water, or fluoride in the water.

Bromide - Which is in soda, Breads, and many other things.

And many other halides that do not belong.

And actually remove these halides through salt loading (Salt loading removes the halides out of the thyroid receptor) then give the thyroid what it needs to function such as Iodine and Selenium.

This will fix the thyroid problem the person is having.

You also need a free radical chaser! The best one is also the best anti-oxidant.

Vitamin C - However when you take vitamin c it gets digested quickly in your stomach. So you need to encapsulate it to past through the stomach, which is liposomal vitamin C.

Liposomal Vitamin C, Plus flushing your thyroid with Salt loading, giving it Iodine and Selenium (Boron helps too), and excluding the halides that take over those receptors will repair the thyroid.

If the liver can regenerate then I can say you can get your thyroid working again.

Unless you're like 80 years old and it's already goiter to all hell and completely gone.

But with the lipo you have virus' covered too so if something is attacking the thyroid in virus form you should be good.

It is also explained that gluten causes auto immune.

Hashi is auto immune.

So why is the body creating anti bodies to attack it?

Which the reason being is probably your small intestine creating antibodies to fight against the gluten.

I've spoken to many people who have cured their thyroid, hashi, and graves with diet and detox.
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
Veteran
My friend has thyroid problems. She has the same side effects like HempKat describes.

She has what is called Hashi Motto and it makes life very bad.

As I personally know she eats very very healthy doing a lot of exercise, has an homeopathic doctor as well who treats her with all natural medicine but nothing helps her much.

Her hairs is thinning out too it is very frustating not in every case the medicine works.
On some people the medicin helps out a lot in other cases they have to live with it.

Keep in mind the side effects I describe only exist without treatment. When I take the medicine that handles the excess production of enzymes from the thyroid those side effects or symptoms disappear.
 

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