for the love of god, stop talking about John kerry on the news!

[NserUame]

I still wish McCain had won the election. I really think that guy would do whats best for the soldiers in Iraq. The man has been through hell and back, you know he doesn't want others going through what he did.

Either way, I hope the republicans keep bashing Kerry on the news. Not every person in this country is ignorant, some will see their bad mouthing for what it really is. A diversionary tactic to take the public eyes off their fuck up for just one minute. Sometimes negative publicity is good publicity.

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

I still wish McCain had won the election. I really think that guy would do whats best for the soldiers in Iraq. The man has been through hell and back, you know he doesn't want others going through what he did.

Either way, I hope the republicans keep bashing Kerry on the news. Not every person in this country is ignorant, some will see their bad mouthing for what it really is. A diversionary tactic to take the public eyes off their fuck up for just one minute. Sometimes negative publicity is good publicity.

Mcain is an ass and doenst stand up for what he beleives in , just backing the GOP no matter what. I dont see how a guy who was a POW and tortured could be behind a president who tortures people. I used to respect him but he lost all respect after that. So what he is saying by endorsing torturing prisoners is that is is ok for him to be tortued in the past. what a shame. You would think he would stand up and say " i was tortured and it is wrong" instead sits by and lets it happen. What a joke!


Nevermind

 

[southpaw]

Look, the sad thing is that nothing Kerry said was incorrect, just as usual, his timing was godawful. He lost us one presidential election by letting himself get railroaded by Republican politics, now under the Howard Dean "say what you feel" policy, he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

That being said, do socioeconomics play into who ends up on the front lines of wars? Yes. Does education correlate with income? Yes. Therefore, if you are poor already, and don't work hard in school from a young age, you have better odds of dying on a foreign battlefield (or these days, in a foreign neighborhood) than the kid who applies himself. Pointing this out to families who have lost sons in Iraq borders on insensitive, and given the current state of affairs, boosting troop morale is critical. What Kerry with his Ivy League sensibilities doesn't get apparently, is that people have to come to these conclusions on their own.

When your son is dead or thousands of miles away from home, and you start feeling guilty about the fact that you pushed him into service under an administration with no strategy whatsoever, the last thing you need is some Washington nitwit to rub your nose in shit. I fault Kerry's timing, but there is nothing wrong about what he said.

 

[Duppy]

The fact that this utterly trivial issue has gotten the play it has tells you just how truly fucked we are.

I had a little optimism about this election... I had one last hope that maybe this still was a democratic society. It wasn't a big hope, but it was real.

At this point, that hope is circling the bowl, and on its way down.

 

[southpaw]

Mcain is an ass and doenst stand up for what he beleives in , just backing the GOP no matter what. I dont see how a guy who was a POW and tortured could be behind a president who tortures people. I used to respect him but he lost all respect after that. So what he is saying by endorsing torturing prisoners is that is is ok for him to be tortued in the past. what a shame. You would think he would stand up and say " i was tortured and it is wrong" instead sits by and lets it happen. What a joke!


Nevermind

Word. This summer I actually toyed with the idea of voting for McCain if it came down to a race with him and Hillary. No fucking way after how he backed down on torture. What the fuck is vague about outlawing "attacks on human dignity?" Of all things for McCain to cave on.

The way the Republican party painted McCain into a corner on this one tells me they want another archconservative idiot to run for them in '08. So either McCain puts his fundamentalist hat on, or his party cuts his candidential balls off.

 

[trem0lo]

Both parties are equally as guilty, and this argument will never be won.

Have fun making each other mad!

 

[sunnyday]

i'm sorry for bringing this fuck up again.

wouldn't it be wiser for him to say he was raised a catholic and is non practicing?

he can't because he enulled a catholic marriage with money in 1995, now that is a practicing catholic. put your money where your mouth is. buncha catholic bullshit horseface on my tv screen, not as bad as bush's monkeyhead, but bad

 

[resinryder]

You want to make a difference? Vote for the independant candidates. It's a shame that a man running for office can't even join in a live debate for govenor because his party didn't have enough votes in the previous election to qualify to be in the debates. What a fucking joke. If we as a country don't stand up, vote for something different than a republican or democrat we will never have anyone to mix up our crazy ass 2 party system. Vote independant, green party, hell vote for me(jk). Do something to hold their feet to the fire and let them know we are tired of their good old boy system of screwing us, feeding us bullshit, and expecting us to like it. Bush is an idiot, and Kerry with his botched joke has done more for the republicans in the up coming elections than even the republicans could do. He(Kerry) talks about how dumb Bush is, they went to the same school, were in the exclusive Skull and Bones Society, and Bush graduated with a higher gpa than Kerry. Kerry has a history of putting down the troops verbally. Check it out. Nothing new, His mouth is as bad as Ted Kennedy's driving. Bush can't admitt to any mistakes, look at Cheney and you can see that. Need I say more? Ain't none of them worth their salt.
Ok, back on topic. They always say voting for a 3rd party is just throwing your vote away. I see it as helping to change our political landscape 1 vote at a time. Think about it.

 

[sunnyday]

great post resinryder

i voted third party in 2000, unfortunately i lived in palm beach county and the 573 independant votes really did throw things off. did they? was is engineered that perfectly? less than a thousand votes got the president elected

back to 2006, we really are fucked, i'm usually an optimist, them pulling kerry out of their ass has shocked me some

total mercury retrograde

 

[resinryder]

we really are fucked, i'm usually an optimist

Damn good observation sunnyday. BTW, like the Deano avatar.
With all the problems we have facing us in America, I can sleep better at night knowing they passed the Internet Gambling Bill. What a bunch of self indulged idiots.

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

You want to make a difference? Vote for the independant candidates. It's a shame that a man running for office can't even join in a live debate for govenor because his party didn't have enough votes in the previous election to qualify to be in the debates. What a fucking joke. If we as a country don't stand up, vote for something different than a republican or democrat we will never have anyone to mix up our crazy ass 2 party system. Vote independant, green party, hell vote for me(jk). Do something to hold their feet to the fire and let them know we are tired of their good old boy system of screwing us, feeding us bullshit, and expecting us to like it. Bush is an idiot, and Kerry with his botched joke has done more for the republicans in the up coming elections than even the republicans could do. He(Kerry) talks about how dumb Bush is, they went to the same school, were in the exclusive Skull and Bones Society, and Bush graduated with a higher gpa than Kerry. Kerry has a history of putting down the troops verbally. Check it out. Nothing new, His mouth is as bad as Ted Kennedy's driving. Bush can't admitt to any mistakes, look at Cheney and you can see that. Need I say more? Ain't none of them worth their salt.
Ok, back on topic. They always say voting for a 3rd party is just throwing your vote away. I see it as helping to change our political landscape 1 vote at a time. Think about it.

Kerry doesnt have a history of bashing troops.What he does have is a history of speaking out against some of the abuse's that troops have done in war and any person who has worn the uniform has the right and better do that. I wore the uniform and saw many things in the military i am not proud of at all. When you are a member of the armed forces you are proud to wear the uniform and dont want to see that uniform or position disgraced. You are supposed to be functioning at a higher standard and are to be held to those standards. If you see someone disgracing the uniform or conducting themselves in a manner no fitting of a military man or as a represntative of this country it is your duty to stand up and say something.

Our troops in Vietnam did kill civilians , cut ears off and burned villages. That happenened due to having kids go over to a war zone for many tours and the stress takes hold of them and they lashed out and broke the code of conduct. Kerry spoke on that. It would bother me to see someone in uniform disrespecting it and their country by their actions. What Kerry did by speaking out about it is wht any true proud american should do. In Iraq there are many cases ( whom have already went to trial and been found guilty) of servicemen killing iraqi civilians and covering it up. That is wrong no matter how you slice it and to speak up against it may be unpopular but it is the right thing to do. we are not over there to kill civilians . Our men and women in the service are becoming murderers due to too many tours over there and stress and thats the fault of the commander in chief . Kerry is talking about it and he should . If we are to go over to another country and try to bring them democracy then we need to be held to a higher standard of conduct, if not then we are just as bad as those we are fighting. If you cant understand that then you have never known what it means to wear the uniform.







Nevermind

 

[NserUame]

The way the Republican party painted McCain into a corner on this one tells me they want another archconservative idiot to run for them in '08. So either McCain puts his fundamentalist hat on, or his party cuts his candidential balls off.

It's how politics works man. Don't get me wrong, I'm against torture however regardless of McCains vote it would have been passed. Bush has full control, and the smart business move is to go with the flow the next couple years and garner favor with the party. Once in office he could easily have that law removed.

Everyone admires the politicians who state their beliefs and don't bullshit. Unfortunately they never go very far for that very reason. You need a man who knows the game, you cave in when needed to get support later on. And in the end, is there really a better candidate?

Hillary, if she runs will be flat out incompetent. Unless her husband is her aid the countries going to be more fucked than we are now. She's a horrible senator, an obnoxious woman with very little understanding of future fallout.

I believe Juliani(sp, the ex mayor of new york) is going to run, or at least there were rumors awhile back. He'd be my next vote, he did a good job in NYC however he's a bit to hardcore in some aspects. The way he treated the homeless was fairly shitty.

Al Gore...this man has some very weird ideas. I can't get a very good bead on him, but something strikes me funny about the guy. There's clearly worse potential candidates out there, however aside from his enviormental stances I agree very little with him.

Either way I don't mean to bust any balls, I'm just stating my opinion.

 

[resinryder]

Ok Nevermind, in '92 when running again for his senate seat he also stated that an all volnteer milatary force if that's what we're gonna to be relying on, will be made up of the poorest, most illiterate, and uneducated of our population. And there were other references in that speech about just how dumb the troops would be. I saw and heard those word come out of his mouth yesterday in a news clip. Kerry is not as innocent in all of this as you believe. When he headed up the POW hearing back in the 90's he went into the hearings with his mind already made up that there were no prisoners of war left in Vietnam despite evidence and eye witness testimony that there was. Kerry's a pos.

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

I believe Juliani(sp, the ex mayor of new york) is going to run, or at least there were rumors awhile back. He'd be my next vote, he did a good job in NYC however he's a bit to hardcore in some aspects. The way he treated the homeless was fairly shitty.


Then you have never been to NYC. If he ran he wouldnt get a vote in NYC, they hate him. I was in NYC the week of 9-11 ( left 2 days before thank goodness) and Gulliani was living in an apt with a gay man because he wife kicked him out. No one could stand the guy, sure he made a good appearence at 9-11 but that doesnt change what he did as mayor for years before.

Ok Nevermind, in '92 when running again for his senate seat he also stated that an all volnteer milatary force if that's what we're gonna to be relying on, will be made up of the poorest, most illiterate, and uneducated of our population. And there were other references in that speech about just how dumb the troops would be. I saw and heard those word come out of his mouth yesterday in a news clip. Kerry is not as innocent in all of this as you believe. When he headed up the POW hearing back in the 90's he went into the hearings with his mind already made up that there were no prisoners of war left in Vietnam despite evidence and eye witness testimony that there was. Kerry's a pos.
Today 10:16 AM

Well i am glad you brought that up. i actually enlisted that year so i can speak on the subject since i was part of it. I wonder if you ever served but i digress. when i signed up prior to basic i was already promoted to an E-3 A1C or airman first class ( when you enlised you are E-1 baisc airmen) for the reason that i was smart ( didnt have acollege credit at the time) its called stripes for skills program. An all volunteer military is just that , the uneducated. The reason i say that is most people who are educated or spent alot on education wouldnt take a job where you get paid a wage that is on the poverty line. Would a harvard grad take a job where he is going to get shot at for less than 30K a year when all of his friends are making 250k a year? the majority of people who enlist in the military do so because there arent many choices for them in the workforce to earn enough to live , eat and try to build a family.

When i was being shipped out i had to stay with over 200 peopel that enlisted along with me. i can say that the majority of them were from Ghettos or poor rural areas taking a job tht they know they cant be fired from. Its not a jab at the troops, its an observation based off of being there. I was amazed at how uneducated the majority of enlisted people were. And once in militaary they dont teach you that much. So while it may be unpopular it has truth to it. Most unpopualr speech is true. For examle, if you see a women over 400 pounds you would say she is fat and lazy. if peopel were around you when you said that they would see you as rude and you would be unpopular with those people. But you would be correct that she is fat or lazy.

seeing as the military has lowered the standards for peopel to enlist due ot low numbers ( best friends father is a recruiter, who recruited me) they are no longer looking for best and brightest. No longer even need a diploma to enlist, can have a criminal record now and recruiters will help you pass a drug test knowing you are on drugs . So there is alot of truth to Mr. Kerrys words. it may be unpopular but there is truth to his statement





nevermind

 

[Guest]

They can't handle the truth can they Mr. NeverMind. I served also, maybe not a career man but who wants to be brainwashed anyway ... accept half the people posting in this thread. I was and will always consider myself a Marine "Semper Fi". Yes most of the men/women either join to get money for college or hope to make a career out of it. Most are not educated but not idiots by any means. It changes many a young men/women for the better alot of which would probably end up dead or in jail.

The point is we have our own choices to make with what life has given us to work with. Kerry was just stating the facts. Sometimes the blatant truth is the only thing people respond to. Sorry if my opinions offend anyone.

Mo,

 

[resinryder]

"I wonder if you ever served but i digress." Originally posted by Mr Nevermind.


Tried twice to get in. First in the Marine Corp, Second in the Air Force. Was turned down both times due to a medical condition. I didn't think it was such a problem but apperantly they did. Who'd a thunk it?
I do agree with most of what you've posted. Alot of the ones who sign up are looking for a better life, a way out of where they are, and to learn something that they can take home with them, ie, skills. Doesn't always turn out that way tho.

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

They can't handle the truth can they Mr. NeverMind. I served also, maybe not a career man but who wants to be brainwashed anyway ... accept half the people posting in this thread. I was and will always consider myself a Marine "Semper Fi". Yes most of the men/women either join to get money for college or hope to make a career out of it. Most are not educated but not idiots by any means. It changes many a young men/women for the better alot of which would probably end up dead or in jail.

The point is we have our own choices to make with what life has given us to work with. Kerry was just stating the facts. Sometimes the blatant truth is the only thing people respond to. Sorry if my opinions offend anyone.

Mo,

Indeed, if the truth hurts you will be in pain. If the truth drive you crazy then you'll be insane.

I am not knocking in any way the people in the military and yes most do join for a better life. and while many are uneducated and come from poor backgrounds the military does alot of good for them. it gives dicsipline and drive to people who previously had none. Many join uneducated and do educate themselves while in or after service and i am very happy for them. But the majority who enlist are not the best and brightest and that is a shame. the reason it isnt the best and brightest is due to the income level once in military. Its shit!! You get paid nothing, many who serve in Iraq's income is at the line that is eligable for food stamps and yet Bush says he supports the troops?

If Bush realy supported the troops he would roll back his tax cuts for wealthy and give them to the men and women who are giving their lives to defend this country. I would love to see our men and women who serve get the tax breaks and be able to serve and walk away with 30-50K to put down on a house. But it dont work that way. They come home with a few grand and bills to pay. and that isnt a future many want to give thier lives for.



Nevermind

 

[resinryder]

It's always EASY to say you support the troops. It's quite another to actually do it. Men and women injured in combat being sent home after a hospital stay and recieving a bill for medical services? Tell me that's the right thing to do. They've never been paid enough and never will. VA benefits? Sounds great until you have to use them, good luck getting an appointment. Lot of things wrong, but no one in power wants to do anything about it. And the ones that do can't get the support needed to get the legislation passed. Compassionate my ass.