"Correction", the stomata doesn't close due to high humidity alone. The water content of Epidermal Cells will limit transpiration due to high humidity causing the stomata to close..
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Fluffy buds - can they be saved?
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cancareent
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cancareent
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HYDROPONICS/Aero Ponics/Coco/Soiless/
How long has this problem been going on?
1 week
Are you growing in a PVC grow tent? (example: Hydrohut or any other non brand tents)
No
What system are you running? (DWC? Ebb flow? Aero? Water Farm? Flood Tables? and so on...)
Hand water
What STRAIN are you growing?
Plat cookie
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
Cloned inhouse
What is the age of your plants?
3.5 months
How long have they been in there mixture they are in now?(coco,soiless etc..)
Entire life - transplanted once
How tall are the plants?
About 6.5 feet
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
Flower
What Technique are you using?
Not sure about this
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
Coco
What is the Water temperature?
73
What color are your roots? White? Brown?
White
Are your roots slimy?
No
What Nutrient's are you using?(If growing soiless)
Dutch masters
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
Recommended by dutch master chart currently 4-5-11 - 2 gallons each
How often are you feeding? (If using soiless)
Every other day
How often are you giving nutrients? (If using soiless)
Feed - supplement - feed - supplement - full flush
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
At week 2
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using
I dont take pom measurment
What is the*pH*of the "Tank"?
6.0-6.3
How often are you testing your*pH/PPM/EC/TDS?
Everytime I feed
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equipment?
Yes
When was your last watering?
Today
What is your water temps?
73
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
NA
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients?
Once a week
What size bulb are you using?
1000w DE - set to 850
How old is the bulbs you are using?
6 months
What is the distance to the canopy?
2-3 feet
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)?
65 up until week 6 dropped to 55
What is the canopy temperature?
Daytime 75 - nighttime 68
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
Day 74-78 night 68-70
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
2 cfm fans - 6 wall fans
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Closed room
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Above the canopy
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
City water
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
If using tap water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS of the water right out of the tap?
300 ppm city water
If using RO,Distilled,mineral water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS without any additives?
Na
Are you using water from a water softener?
Na
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
60% deleaf week 4
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Purecrop1/baking soda week 2 flower - week 6 flower - foliared with heavy 16 foliar in veg once a week along with purecrop1
Are plant's infected with pest's
No
How long has this problem been going on?
1 week
Are you growing in a PVC grow tent? (example: Hydrohut or any other non brand tents)
No
What system are you running? (DWC? Ebb flow? Aero? Water Farm? Flood Tables? and so on...)
Hand water
What STRAIN are you growing?
Plat cookie
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
Cloned inhouse
What is the age of your plants?
3.5 months
How long have they been in there mixture they are in now?(coco,soiless etc..)
Entire life - transplanted once
How tall are the plants?
About 6.5 feet
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
Flower
What Technique are you using?
Not sure about this
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
Coco
What is the Water temperature?
73
What color are your roots? White? Brown?
White
Are your roots slimy?
No
What Nutrient's are you using?(If growing soiless)
Dutch masters
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
Recommended by dutch master chart currently 4-5-11 - 2 gallons each
How often are you feeding? (If using soiless)
Every other day
How often are you giving nutrients? (If using soiless)
Feed - supplement - feed - supplement - full flush
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?
At week 2
What order are you mixing your nutrients? (example: veg nutes 1st, bloom 2nd ect)
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using
I dont take pom measurment
What is the*pH*of the "Tank"?
6.0-6.3
How often are you testing your*pH/PPM/EC/TDS?
Everytime I feed
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equipment?
Yes
When was your last watering?
Today
What is your water temps?
73
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
NA
How often do you clean your system: example: Flush out water replace with clean water and nutrients?
Once a week
What size bulb are you using?
1000w DE - set to 850
How old is the bulbs you are using?
6 months
What is the distance to the canopy?
2-3 feet
What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)?
65 up until week 6 dropped to 55
What is the canopy temperature?
Daytime 75 - nighttime 68
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
Day 74-78 night 68-70
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
2 cfm fans - 6 wall fans
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?
Closed room
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Above the canopy
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
City water
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water?
If using tap water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS of the water right out of the tap?
300 ppm city water
If using RO,Distilled,mineral water, what is the ppm/EC/TDS without any additives?
Na
Are you using water from a water softener?
Na
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
60% deleaf week 4
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Purecrop1/baking soda week 2 flower - week 6 flower - foliared with heavy 16 foliar in veg once a week along with purecrop1
Are plant's infected with pest's
No
SuperBadGrower
Active member
Answering those is like talking to po in an interview, it just gives you a million chances to incriminate yourself even if you are innocent. (Just a matter of time until someone comes in and blames the tap water 
)
If your previous plants using the same methods had denser buds, the simplest answer is genetics. High temperatures and this & that will change buds but not to the point that they are fluffy. Buds from my plants are hard as a rock no matter the season, no matter if they foxtail, no mater what the hell I feed them.(disregarding hormones)
)If your previous plants using the same methods had denser buds, the simplest answer is genetics. High temperatures and this & that will change buds but not to the point that they are fluffy. Buds from my plants are hard as a rock no matter the season, no matter if they foxtail, no mater what the hell I feed them.(disregarding hormones)
pm can definitely lead to fluffy buds.
Mattbho has a keen eye. the first thing I noticed was the way the inner buds looked, which to me said PM/too high RH.
remember your RH gauge on the wall doesn't tell the whole story. leaf temp & individual rate of transpiration of the plants is what you really need to read, and that's not as straight forward. shade leaf temp will give somewhat of an idea of the temp that is being transpired. like others said, the stomata can't be closing up regularly and expect a healthy crop. especially with relatively high nutrients.
in co2 hydro rooms there is usually a large spread between the temp of the vapor being transpired and the air temp of the environment. (shade leaf temp vs full light leaf temp). lots of air movement helps but still is walking a fine line in most cases.
phyton35 can still be applied. but the damage is done as the plants aren't healthy enough to support the growth required to properly finish.
Mattbho has a keen eye. the first thing I noticed was the way the inner buds looked, which to me said PM/too high RH.
remember your RH gauge on the wall doesn't tell the whole story. leaf temp & individual rate of transpiration of the plants is what you really need to read, and that's not as straight forward. shade leaf temp will give somewhat of an idea of the temp that is being transpired. like others said, the stomata can't be closing up regularly and expect a healthy crop. especially with relatively high nutrients.
in co2 hydro rooms there is usually a large spread between the temp of the vapor being transpired and the air temp of the environment. (shade leaf temp vs full light leaf temp). lots of air movement helps but still is walking a fine line in most cases.
phyton35 can still be applied. but the damage is done as the plants aren't healthy enough to support the growth required to properly finish.
SuperBadGrower
Active member
oh come on .. a little PM is not going to turn dense chunkers into airy shit. What a trip.
cancareent
Member
I am thinking genetics also... the other strain (smaller plants ) you see in the pictures have hard buds..... hmm still not sure though
cancareent
Member
Whats the word bird?
St. Phatty
Active member
I was surprised at how much my plants bulked up after the recent rains.
It could just be a coincidence, they're at 9 1/2 weeks anyway.
But it made me wonder if a foliar feed helps plants to put on bud weight.
Of course there's a risk with mold, from the rain falling on tight buds.
I was out there in the mornings shaking the plants rather enthusiastically, every single branch, to get the water off.
And very grateful for the sunshine that came, to dry them off more.
It could just be a coincidence, they're at 9 1/2 weeks anyway.
But it made me wonder if a foliar feed helps plants to put on bud weight.
Of course there's a risk with mold, from the rain falling on tight buds.
I was out there in the mornings shaking the plants rather enthusiastically, every single branch, to get the water off.
And very grateful for the sunshine that came, to dry them off more.
