Flora Nova Bloom + Canna PK 13/14

[SweetIndica2]

Alright, i ran out of the PBP i had, so i grabbed some flora nova bloom and canna PK. My plants are now on day 37 of flowering. Could someone tell me if this is a good feeding schedule:

Flora Nova Bloom mixed at 5-8ml per gallon every watering until flush time (7-10 days before harvest)

Canna PK 13/14 mixed at 5ml per gallon for one watering

And another question, should i continue to use the flora nova during the week that i use the canna pk 13/14? If so, should i keep it at it's normal dose (5-8ml).

And, my final question. It says to use the canna pk for one week, i only water about once every 5-7 days, so should i only use it for one watering?

Also, it isn't too late to use the canna pk is it? I'd say my quickest pheno has about 15-20 days left, and my slowest pheno has about 30-35 days left.

 

[Gangsta Lean]

i use FN & beasties
and i dont stop using the FN
i just add the recommended dosage of PK
then add the rest wit FN to my desired PPM
if u dont have a meter just lower the FN
i used a PK booster after my flowers got done stretching and showed budsites
used it for 2-3 weeks at low strength, buds put on alot of weight
when i stopped using it thats when they started growin more lil buds
the next time im gonna keep using the beasties all the way through n c what happens

 

[inflorescence]

I've been experimenting with FNB plus differing amounts of either pk 13/14 or AN bloom 0-5-4 (Uh Oh, There he goes combining Gh with AN or canna, look out. )

Basically I think the FNB has a little too much N so I try to correct that by raising the pk.

The nute calculator can really help you dial down to the exact ratio you want.

I believe canna says to use pk only once becuase it is such a strong pk boost, although not nearly as strong as a product like AN big bud or bud blood.

AN big bud can be used thru-out flower and obviously so can AN bloom, which is really just a pk like GH bloom or any other bloom part of a 3-part and they are used more than once so I believe if you just cut the canna pk down and use it like a AN or GH bloom then you can combine it with FNB or even just use it solo near the very end.

 

[SweetIndica2]

Thanks for all the help.

 

[SweetIndica2]

A few things i'd like to add.

I don't have a meter, so do you think those numbers are good (5-8ml of FN and 5ml of PK for one watering.)

It says on the bottle that 5ml of FN is 450ppm, 8ml would be 720ppm. Does anyone know how much my ppm would raise with the PK?

 

[Gangsta Lean]

i just mixed up a batch to help ya out
starting tap ppm was 103
after adding 5ml of bloom ppm was 1055
it added 952ppm meter is .5 conversion

my girls dont like ne thing above 900
but i pushed them that high using the pk
so maybe they burned cause of the pk
iono

 

[inflorescence]

A few things i'd like to add.

I don't have a meter, so do you think those numbers are good (5-8ml of FN and 5ml of PK for one watering.)

It says on the bottle that 5ml of FN is 450ppm, 8ml would be 720ppm. Does anyone know how much my ppm would raise with the PK?

Get the nute calculator.
You'll find out EXACTLY how many ELEMENTAL ppms your addition of pk will add.
You'll also be able to see how the ratio chages in relation to each other.

With the nute calculator, you'll never need a ec/tds meter again.

All you'll have to do is measure the pH with a meter.

 

[SweetIndica2]

Alright, could you link me to it? i've seen several nute calculators, not sure which one to use, or which one is easy. I'm kinda new to nute levels, i've been growing for awhile but normally just fed from directions on the bottle.

 

[inflorescence]

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/download.htm

 

[SweetIndica2]

Thanks, i opened the calculator...but it just looks like a table where i can fill in numbers? does it calculate stuff for me, i'm very confused lol. Looks like alot of numbers, i just need some directions lol.

 

[Gangsta Lean]

yo SI
just scroll to the bottom
hxxp://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm

 

[SweetIndica2]

Alright, figured out how to use it. But, how do i know what my ppm numbers should be? It tells me my ppm of each element, but i don't know what the numbers of each element should be.

 

[inflorescence]

Search for "lucas". He got his numbers from pH (who made the spreadsheet) who got his numbers from Mel Frank who got his numbers from, what else, Trial and Error (this goes back like 25 years).
This is NOT the only correct ratio though. A good baseline, yes, but different phenos will need tweaking up or down.
THAT is your job = the art of growing.

 

[Gangsta Lean]

u can run the
lucas numbers
mel frank
those are good ranges cannabis grows in if im not mistaken
there on that page i pointed u to

 

[SweetIndica2]

Alright, thanks for the help. I think i got it figured out, glad i can pinpoint my nutrient levels. Should help me out in the long run.

 

[inflorescence]

Just remember, ELEMENTAL ppms are NOT the same as meter read ppms.
You'll go crazy otherwise.

 

[SweetIndica2]

Alright, thanks. It says (according to the mel frank numbers) that during flower my PPM for N-p-k-mg should be about 99-103-209-73

But, if say i use 6ml per gallon of flora nova i end up with these numbers: 92-80-134-46

I can't get much higher on the PK numbers, without going well over the nitrogen level. Is it ok to just raise the dosage, even though my nitrogen PPM numbers will be a good amount over what they should be?

And these recommended numbers can be used for soil grows right?

 

[SweetIndica2]

Also, i want to figure out what the PK 13/14 will add to my ppm numbers if i add 5ml. But, it doesn't give me the weight, i only know the volume. Does anyone know the net weight of a .25 liter bottle of canna pk 13/14?

 

[inflorescence]

I never figured the net weight of canna's pk 13/14 becuase the stuff looks and feels as close to water as any fert i"ve used so I just went with 1 grams per ml (it's definately not like a 1.45 grams per ml for say a FNB).
Maybe I'm a little off, anynoe know fo sho?

But yeah, then you can figure that if you just add a bit of pk or even AN or GH bloom or big bud or bud blood, etc. only that you can up the pk ratios without effecting the N.
Tha's what I'm experimenting with now becuase I haven't found any definitive answers other than lucas, mel frak targets. AN is different than Gh is different than canna in this regard.

 

[SweetIndica2]

Alright, thanks. I actually noticed that it was a very watery-like substance. I was thinking about using the PK to up the PK Levels a little, but am kind of weary as it only says to use it for a week, i wonder if i would see any adverse effects from using it regularly in small doses along with the FN for the rest of flowering?

If i end up just using the FN as my main nutrient, would it be a better idea to use 5ml (which wouldn't go over my n levels, but wouldn't be high enough PK levels) or use say 7ml (which would go over the recommended N levels, but give me enough PK).

EDIT: and those PPM numbers from Mel Frank are fine for use in Soil grows right? For some reason i thought it was meant for hydro.