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greenhornets
what kind of temps should i be concerned with in the attic.
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mrred
flir and ir film are 2 different things, ir film just catches the ir light not heat , most if not all digital cameras can see in ir but theres a glass to filter out that spectrum , foward looking infra red sees heat and those cameras cost 10k easily, its not legal to use flir to detect anything inside your home because its a invasion of privacy in the usa.
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mrred
i hate those black helicopters, im starting to see them more often now. Im pretty sure its because of the patriot act.
indicapimp
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BlindDate said:
On the TV Series DEA, they showed a house getting flir and it just showed a hot spot on the roof vent....Not the Amount of lights in the house? Then they compared it to the neighbors house and it had nothing hot on it. The thing is that you need to start the Security on our Op way before they get a bird up in the air and fly over your house. The image shown did not seem like that strong of a case but they had OTHER evidence to support it.
I have all different types of Legal exhaust coming out of my house with stoves, hot water heater, furnaces and dryer vents. I might run your lights more towards normal hours than light up your house heat signature (all night in total darkness).
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SFC
Member
I own a Flir Sd Cam, you can get one for about 5,000 new. They do make even more expensive ones that can see more detail at further range. It does not see light! It does see heat/cold. Good insulation is your best friend. Most closet growers really have nothing to worry about. You start getting over 1000 watts you should make sure your well insulated.
I wish it were possible to hire out my services for growers, but we all know that is not going to happen LOL.
I wish it were possible to hire out my services for growers, but we all know that is not going to happen LOL.
Chester
Member
Cooling bigger set-ups is no big deal with a little plumbing and creativity.
You can use cold water with a line voltage thermostat, and solenoid valve to circulate the cold water through a radiator with a fan to get a fair bit of cooling effect. You'll be "wasting" water but water can carry away a lot of heat efficiently, and if the alternative is having the local taser squad breathing down your neck, wasting some water isn't a big deal.
A small commercial, off-the-shelf unit with a fan will set you back a couple hundred dollars (low production volume = high cost).
(Lytron unit pictured below)
Lately, high performance gaming computers are using water cooling. (Try directron.com) I haven't tried using one of those little radiator units yet.
However, for the do-it yourselfer, there is an easy, less expensive solution. Use a used car radiator with 12V fan (careful, those radiator fans are dangerous) and cold water.
Using a line voltage thermostat to turn-on a solenoid valve (sprinkler valves work good too, need a 24 v transformer though) when the temperature gets toasty.
The cold water line should be throttled with a valve to keep the flow to the minimum water volume required to get a decent cooling effect. (This will change summer to winter)
An old computer power supply can usually provide enough 12V current for the radiator fan (400W I just looked at provides up to 25 amps), just wire it in parallel with the solenoid valve. Since you are just flowing through a hose to a drain, there should be little to no pressure on the radiator.
Now you are transferring that heat to cold water, and draining it away. (You can route water hoses through areas you could never run ductwork. You may have a big water bill to match your electric bill, but unless Johnny law wants to sniff around the sewers (or septic tank), he's not going to detect your heat signature.
The high-tech gizmos can not see what isn't there. So if your walls are cool, they might go away (Not likely if they have a tip. They'll just lie to get the warrant.) If the local taser squad is just snooping around the neighborhood looking for warm walls, roofs and toasty sheds, then water cooling could avoid some problems.
Your Mileage Will Vary.
You can use cold water with a line voltage thermostat, and solenoid valve to circulate the cold water through a radiator with a fan to get a fair bit of cooling effect. You'll be "wasting" water but water can carry away a lot of heat efficiently, and if the alternative is having the local taser squad breathing down your neck, wasting some water isn't a big deal.
A small commercial, off-the-shelf unit with a fan will set you back a couple hundred dollars (low production volume = high cost).
(Lytron unit pictured below)
Lately, high performance gaming computers are using water cooling. (Try directron.com) I haven't tried using one of those little radiator units yet.
However, for the do-it yourselfer, there is an easy, less expensive solution. Use a used car radiator with 12V fan (careful, those radiator fans are dangerous) and cold water.
Using a line voltage thermostat to turn-on a solenoid valve (sprinkler valves work good too, need a 24 v transformer though) when the temperature gets toasty.
The cold water line should be throttled with a valve to keep the flow to the minimum water volume required to get a decent cooling effect. (This will change summer to winter)
An old computer power supply can usually provide enough 12V current for the radiator fan (400W I just looked at provides up to 25 amps), just wire it in parallel with the solenoid valve. Since you are just flowing through a hose to a drain, there should be little to no pressure on the radiator.
Now you are transferring that heat to cold water, and draining it away. (You can route water hoses through areas you could never run ductwork. You may have a big water bill to match your electric bill, but unless Johnny law wants to sniff around the sewers (or septic tank), he's not going to detect your heat signature.
The high-tech gizmos can not see what isn't there. So if your walls are cool, they might go away (Not likely if they have a tip. They'll just lie to get the warrant.) If the local taser squad is just snooping around the neighborhood looking for warm walls, roofs and toasty sheds, then water cooling could avoid some problems.
Your Mileage Will Vary.
I cant help but think I'm friends with morons when they state that FLIR can "probably see the LIGHTER!"
we either had some good weed, or he is infact a moron... probably both...
Temps of 73 aren't crazy either... unless your way up north or something and its like 20 degrees outside.. still then. what temperature do most people like to keep their house at? if your room is about that temp, + - a few degrees here or there.. then there would be no reason for anyone doing FLIR (which you need a warrant to legally do in the USA anyways) to suspect that anything shady was going on.
we either had some good weed, or he is infact a moron... probably both...
Temps of 73 aren't crazy either... unless your way up north or something and its like 20 degrees outside.. still then. what temperature do most people like to keep their house at? if your room is about that temp, + - a few degrees here or there.. then there would be no reason for anyone doing FLIR (which you need a warrant to legally do in the USA anyways) to suspect that anything shady was going on.
Billygoat
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If you do a search here on the site. You will see that this has been talked about a few good time. I've promissed to go over this whole FLIR issu. When I was in the Army. I was trained on all this stuff. I'm going to have a nice article for the cannabis magazines to run with plenty of pictures. I'll be posting info here and a could of other cannabis sites.
Here's a quick run down. First, that DEA show is old technology. You where seeing the houses in white and dark hot. They are using newer technology that is a newer generation. I've worked with generation III gear. The LEO where using generation I and II. The stuff the top dollar departments are buying newer hand helds which is the newer technology. These unit "CAN" see your lights and they can count them. They can also display the different temps in wave lengths.
So, don't be fooled. They can look into a place and see what's going on with heats from lights and ballast. Also, if a room isn't vented proper. They can tell the room is above normal temps.
Blocking materials,
MUD, Thermal Blanks, Foam boarding, Anti IR Foil, and a lot more. I'm going to post a bunch of stuff once we test our FLIR Gun we have. I've got access to a 7K Fluke IR Gun. These are the units some of the leo are buying and using, so we will know what works and doesn't work. Hang tight, article and testing will be done around april or may latest.
Stay safe,
BG
Here's a quick run down. First, that DEA show is old technology. You where seeing the houses in white and dark hot. They are using newer technology that is a newer generation. I've worked with generation III gear. The LEO where using generation I and II. The stuff the top dollar departments are buying newer hand helds which is the newer technology. These unit "CAN" see your lights and they can count them. They can also display the different temps in wave lengths.
So, don't be fooled. They can look into a place and see what's going on with heats from lights and ballast. Also, if a room isn't vented proper. They can tell the room is above normal temps.
Blocking materials,
MUD, Thermal Blanks, Foam boarding, Anti IR Foil, and a lot more. I'm going to post a bunch of stuff once we test our FLIR Gun we have. I've got access to a 7K Fluke IR Gun. These are the units some of the leo are buying and using, so we will know what works and doesn't work. Hang tight, article and testing will be done around april or may latest.
Stay safe,
BG
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mrred
the nsa has satellites that can see you reading icmag on your computer screen. i seen on myth busters they used a piece of glass to defeat a FLIR Camera. but the thing is about heat is that everything will sooner or later get warm/hot
I fail to see how you can get a visual image through a solid object with some sort of a camera device. i.e. counting the lights.
theres possibly a way to see a slightly hotter temp in certain areas, in rows perhaps, thus indicating lights, but to actually have a definite hard count? impossible?
Basically you're saying that gun from the movie "Eraser" could be real.
I want one!
theres possibly a way to see a slightly hotter temp in certain areas, in rows perhaps, thus indicating lights, but to actually have a definite hard count? impossible?
Basically you're saying that gun from the movie "Eraser" could be real.
I want one!
Bulénath
Member
Billygoat said:
Looking foward to your information!
What if you have 1200 watts of ballast on a flip flop, within two seperate cabinets construted tightly of 3/4" thick melamine, and your house's walls are dry wall? Can the Pigs see through that if you live in a climate that never fluctuates more than 15F year round?
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Billygoat
Member
ourcee said:
Look, if you don't believe me fine, but do a little researching before you go and disagree with someone. Like I said before, I've used this technology in the army and seen it in use in the construction field also. Here's a unit you can buy to test your grow site.
These units aren't cheap, but if you got the money and want to make sure your grow is safe. It's a option for you. Here's a basic gun unit.
Good luck,
BG
http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=553&navid=13
This unit is a basic one. It will see through standard walls. The LEO and fire department have been using units like these for a while now. They have better units and can see through 1 foot of concrete also.
Good luck,
BG
I wasn't saying 'YOU'RE WRONG!', sorry if it came off that way. nothin but positive vibes 
merely stating 'impossible?' because I have yet to see or hear of something that can produce an image through other solids. except maybe extremely thin surfaces? If you can show me this technology I'd LOVE to hear about it as I'm sure everyone else would.
the IR gun you linked to is exactly as I picture an IR gun... it shows the hotspots, its shows the cold spots. What it doesn't do is see THROUGH the walls though. its merely reading whatever the surface temp is..
what I was getting at, is that I don't see how you can get a visual of a row of lights in a bedroom per say, THROUGH a solid wall? the IR gun will merely give off the reading of the closer surface, in this instance, the wall.
Now if you have a cabinet with a row of lights and the radiated heat is making the plywood of the cabinet 2 degrees hotter in the shape of your hood and then the wood gives off a slightly cooler temp throughout the rest of the surface, i.e. where there aren't lights, I could see a LEO deducing that it is a row of 'heat generating devices' or lights in our case. Unless there was a higher concentration of heat in a certain area, I just fail to realize or understand how this technology would allow someone to "see" into a room.
merely stating 'impossible?' because I have yet to see or hear of something that can produce an image through other solids. except maybe extremely thin surfaces? If you can show me this technology I'd LOVE to hear about it as I'm sure everyone else would.
the IR gun you linked to is exactly as I picture an IR gun... it shows the hotspots, its shows the cold spots. What it doesn't do is see THROUGH the walls though. its merely reading whatever the surface temp is..
what I was getting at, is that I don't see how you can get a visual of a row of lights in a bedroom per say, THROUGH a solid wall? the IR gun will merely give off the reading of the closer surface, in this instance, the wall.
Now if you have a cabinet with a row of lights and the radiated heat is making the plywood of the cabinet 2 degrees hotter in the shape of your hood and then the wood gives off a slightly cooler temp throughout the rest of the surface, i.e. where there aren't lights, I could see a LEO deducing that it is a row of 'heat generating devices' or lights in our case. Unless there was a higher concentration of heat in a certain area, I just fail to realize or understand how this technology would allow someone to "see" into a room.
Billygoat
Member
ourcee said:I wasn't saying 'YOU'RE WRONG!', sorry if it came off that way. nothin but positive vibes
merely stating 'impossible?' because I have yet to see or hear of something that can produce an image through other solids. except maybe extremely thin surfaces? If you can show me this technology I'd LOVE to hear about it as I'm sure everyone else would.
the IR gun you linked to is exactly as I picture an IR gun... it shows the hotspots, its shows the cold spots. What it doesn't do is see THROUGH the walls though. its merely reading whatever the surface temp is..
what I was getting at, is that I don't see how you can get a visual of a row of lights in a bedroom per say, THROUGH a solid wall? the IR gun will merely give off the reading of the closer surface, in this instance, the wall.
Now if you have a cabinet with a row of lights and the radiated heat is making the plywood of the cabinet 2 degrees hotter in the shape of your hood and then the wood gives off a slightly cooler temp throughout the rest of the surface, i.e. where there aren't lights, I could see a LEO deducing that it is a row of 'heat generating devices' or lights in our case. Unless there was a higher concentration of heat in a certain area, I just fail to realize or understand how this technology would allow someone to "see" into a room.
I'm sorry also about the way I came off. With these hand held units. You can count and see the light to a degree. Your not going to have a clear visual. If that's what your asking. You are going to see colors in wave lenghts. It's pretty easy to tell a 600-1000HID from a water heater. They can tell by the pattern and the height of the source.
I should have all the info together with pictures to post by this summer. Got my hands full now with other projects, but people will be amazed at the info.. Also going to do a article on digital ballast RF Interferences. I'll go over more later on. There is allot to go over and not enough time. I'll make sure to post plenty of pictures.
Take care,
BG
If you move next to a major commuter route that is also on a flight path to a major military airbase you'd get over that nonsense quickly enough. Every friggin work day morning and evening we have helicopters overhead. But I'm sure the paranoia would come right back moving to a different local.
Hey, it was fun one year on 'National Night Out' when they had a chopper circling overhead spotlighting the entire area. Scared the bejeezus out of me when I looked out my window and my yard was bright as day. The traffic choppers don't use a spotlight.
Umm, I see it every workday, at least if I go out and look. The military helicopters are black indeed though I'm sure they have some specific mission other than 'having fun'.
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greenhornets
hey billygoat , cant wait to read your report on this mater.i'll be waiting .
thanks for the link , might try to get the gun later but will try to get the foil soon . i dont really know about the gun , it would only be kind of a 1 time thing . thats a shit load of cash to use just once or twice . do ya know if they can be rented ??
thanks for the link , might try to get the gun later but will try to get the foil soon . i dont really know about the gun , it would only be kind of a 1 time thing . thats a shit load of cash to use just once or twice . do ya know if they can be rented ??
